jacobl18
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Post by jacobl18 on Jan 21, 2022 22:07:02 GMT -5
who knows. Mattel would make money if they did it right so idk why they wouldn’t The answer is probably both. It's financially beneficial for both WWE and the licensing partner. Legends deals pay out a percentage of WWE's cut of merchandise on an item. So Mattel/2k/Topps/whoever save money because direct deals would require an additional percentage on top of what they're already paying WWE. WWE benefits from economy of scale - they sign talent for a modest price, giving up a percentage of their profits. But in turn offer a significant roster of talent to licensees, and probably in turn negotiate a higher cut of profits. When you do that across 3,4,10 licensed properties, it ends up being more lucrative. At one point 2k was able to sign talent independently (as could Mattel), but I haven't seen any sign of that since Rick Martel in 2k19. So it's entirely possible contract terms have changed for 2k and they're operating under the same terms as Mattel and Topps. It was probably just a matter of old contracts having differing expiration years. Something nobody ever mentions is it’s a two way street. It’s important that WWE keeps Mattel happy because WWE wants to keep receiving checks from Mattel. For example if the legends talent signed is very limited then Mattel could tell WWE that sales are gonna slump if we can’t get more legends available for figures. |
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Post by SteveHulk on Jan 21, 2022 23:53:11 GMT -5
The answer is probably both. It's financially beneficial for both WWE and the licensing partner. Legends deals pay out a percentage of WWE's cut of merchandise on an item. So Mattel/2k/Topps/whoever save money because direct deals would require an additional percentage on top of what they're already paying WWE. WWE benefits from economy of scale - they sign talent for a modest price, giving up a percentage of their profits. But in turn offer a significant roster of talent to licensees, and probably in turn negotiate a higher cut of profits. When you do that across 3,4,10 licensed properties, it ends up being more lucrative. At one point 2k was able to sign talent independently (as could Mattel), but I haven't seen any sign of that since Rick Martel in 2k19. So it's entirely possible contract terms have changed for 2k and they're operating under the same terms as Mattel and Topps. It was probably just a matter of old contracts having differing expiration years. Something nobody ever mentions is it’s a two way street. It’s important that WWE keeps Mattel happy because WWE wants to keep receiving checks from Mattel. For example if the legends talent signed is very limited then Mattel could tell WWE that sales are gonna slump if we can’t get more legends available for figures. I wouldn't be surprised if that's why we're still seeing figure releases of released talent like Ric Flair, Bray Wyatt, Adam Cole etc. |
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Post by CM Tusk on Jan 22, 2022 0:13:03 GMT -5
Every thread on this subject:
“This is how Mattel and WWEs deal works. Someone needs a Legends deal to be made in figure form.”
“Yeah, well, Mattel should tell WWE they should sign (Insert 80s midcarder) or they will lose money!”
It’s been over ten years. They will make who they can make.
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Post by originaloutsider on Jan 22, 2022 1:01:17 GMT -5
If you ask me, the perfect time to release him would be at SDCC, with the reveal of Rodman.
DX Tyson I would think SDCC next year since it would be the 25th anniversary of Austin winning the title at XIV.
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Post by newgenandy on Jan 22, 2022 4:02:48 GMT -5
The answer is probably both. It's financially beneficial for both WWE and the licensing partner. Legends deals pay out a percentage of WWE's cut of merchandise on an item. So Mattel/2k/Topps/whoever save money because direct deals would require an additional percentage on top of what they're already paying WWE. WWE benefits from economy of scale - they sign talent for a modest price, giving up a percentage of their profits. But in turn offer a significant roster of talent to licensees, and probably in turn negotiate a higher cut of profits. When you do that across 3,4,10 licensed properties, it ends up being more lucrative. At one point 2k was able to sign talent independently (as could Mattel), but I haven't seen any sign of that since Rick Martel in 2k19. So it's entirely possible contract terms have changed for 2k and they're operating under the same terms as Mattel and Topps. It was probably just a matter of old contracts having differing expiration years. Something nobody ever mentions is it’s a two way street. It’s important that WWE keeps Mattel happy because WWE wants to keep receiving checks from Mattel. For example if the legends talent signed is very limited then Mattel could tell WWE that sales are gonna slump if we can’t get more legends available for figures. From all the toy licensing things I’ve read and watched, especially for big world wide brands like wwe the ball is very much in their court and mattel don’t need to be kept happy |
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Post by jacobl18 on Jan 22, 2022 6:18:46 GMT -5
Something nobody ever mentions is it’s a two way street. It’s important that WWE keeps Mattel happy because WWE wants to keep receiving checks from Mattel. For example if the legends talent signed is very limited then Mattel could tell WWE that sales are gonna slump if we can’t get more legends available for figures. From all the toy licensing things I’ve read and watched, especially for big world wide brands like wwe the ball is very much in their court and mattel don’t need to be kept happy Well if sales slow down which very well could happen because of lack of legends under a deal then Mattel might cut their losses next time a contract renewal comes up. They own Hot Wheels & Barbie so they’ll be fine. |
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Post by stc13 on Jan 22, 2022 11:48:37 GMT -5
From all the toy licensing things I’ve read and watched, especially for big world wide brands like wwe the ball is very much in their court and mattel don’t need to be kept happy Well if sales slow down which very well could happen because of lack of legends under a deal then Mattel might cut their losses next time a contract renewal comes up. They own Hot Wheels & Barbie so they’ll be fine. Realistically the 5000 Ultimate Warrior they release is still going to outsell a Bob Holly or Mr. Fuji. I've found the line to be completely stale and my interest tailing off with the lack of new faces. But it's not going to change anything about how WWE or Mattel do business. I'd imagine Bill and Steve have had to fight pretty hard to get us some of the newer figures we've seen. And the CE program was a total mess that has basically been canned, so even that may not be an option going forward. |
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Post by newgenandy on Jan 22, 2022 11:59:33 GMT -5
Well if sales slow down which very well could happen because of lack of legends under a deal then Mattel might cut their losses next time a contract renewal comes up. They own Hot Wheels & Barbie so they’ll be fine. Realistically the 5000 Ultimate Warrior they release is still going to outsell a Bob Holly or Mr. Fuji. I've found the line to be completely stale and my interest tailing off with the lack of new faces. But it's not going to change anything about how WWE or Mattel do business. I'd imagine Bill and Steve have had to fight pretty hard to get us some of the newer figures we've seen. And the CE program was a total mess that has basically been canned, so even that may not be an option going forward. CE? |
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Post by vandamin8or on Jan 22, 2022 12:11:23 GMT -5
Realistically the 5000 Ultimate Warrior they release is still going to outsell a Bob Holly or Mr. Fuji. I've found the line to be completely stale and my interest tailing off with the lack of new faces. But it's not going to change anything about how WWE or Mattel do business. I'd imagine Bill and Steve have had to fight pretty hard to get us some of the newer figures we've seen. And the CE program was a total mess that has basically been canned, so even that may not be an option going forward. CE? Collectors Edition |
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Post by jobber316 on Jan 22, 2022 13:02:51 GMT -5
If we get Bischoff, let him be something like an Amazon exclusive, WWE.com exclusive, etc. He's an important character in wrestling history but he really hasn't been relevant in twenty year.
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Post by CM Tusk on Jan 22, 2022 17:24:36 GMT -5
If we get Bischoff, let him be something like an Amazon exclusive, WWE.com exclusive, etc. He's an important character in wrestling history but he really hasn't been relevant in twenty year. So you mean like pretty much anyone in the Legends line? |
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Jan 23, 2022 9:46:21 GMT -5
I’d really like an nWo Bischoff, but I’d also buy Raw GM and buzz cut grey-hair and beard Burt Reynolds Bischoff in a suit if they were released. nWo is ultimately only one I care about though, and it could easily be a basic.
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Post by dpd1967 on Jan 23, 2022 9:57:12 GMT -5
Give me a easy e
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Post by dpd1967 on Jan 23, 2022 9:58:22 GMT -5
If we get Bischoff, let him be something like an Amazon exclusive, WWE.com exclusive, etc. He's an important character in wrestling history but he really hasn't been relevant in twenty year. So you mean like pretty much anyone in the Legends line? 😂 I just love the sarcasm on here |
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Post by shanieomaniac on Jan 24, 2022 20:12:39 GMT -5
I want a Bischoff, but only if it's NWO.
I hsve no interest in any other Bischoff. Unless of course for some strange reason they want to make one of him in his karate attire because that would be fun to pose with my eventual SS Shane custom.
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Post by viper412 on Jan 24, 2022 20:54:20 GMT -5
If we get Bischoff, let him be something like an Amazon exclusive, WWE.com exclusive, etc. He's an important character in wrestling history but he really hasn't been relevant in twenty year. So you mean like pretty much anyone in the Legends line? ah yes John Cena, Triple H, Eddie Guerrero, Edge, Hurricane, Kevin Nash, Undertaker my favorite irrelevant people since 2002 |
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Post by CM Tusk on Jan 24, 2022 21:55:40 GMT -5
So you mean like pretty much anyone in the Legends line? ah yes John Cena, Triple H, Eddie Guerrero, Edge, Hurricane, Kevin Nash, Undertaker my favorite irrelevant people since 2002 Considering almost all their Legends figures are looks from over 20 years ago, I’d say arguing against Eric in the Legends line because he hasn’t been relevant is ridiculous. But I guess the point escaped you. |
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Post by jacobl18 on Jan 24, 2022 21:59:27 GMT -5
So you mean like pretty much anyone in the Legends line? ah yes John Cena, Triple H, Eddie Guerrero, Edge, Hurricane, Kevin Nash, Undertaker my favorite irrelevant people since 2002 Everyone you mentioned except for Cena has been around since way before 2002. All of Triple H, Nash & Taker figures in the legends line we’re from the 90’s. |
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Post by viper412 on Jan 25, 2022 0:20:43 GMT -5
ah yes John Cena, Triple H, Eddie Guerrero, Edge, Hurricane, Kevin Nash, Undertaker my favorite irrelevant people since 2002 Considering almost all their Legends figures are looks from over 20 years ago, I’d say arguing against Eric in the Legends line because he hasn’t been relevant is ridiculous. But I guess the point escaped you. Cena and Edge are from 2002, Eddie is 2005 and Hurricane is 2009 Triple H is 1998, Kevin Nash is 1999 I think and Undertaker is 1994 There’s also a 2014 Ultimate Warrior and 2002 DDP to add to looks within 20 years ago I never said Eric Bischoff isn’t relevant nor did I say he’s not worthy of being in the legends line. You saying all of the people in the legends line are irrelevant and the looks are over 20 years old is pretty ridiculous to me when there’s clear example of the opposite |
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Jan 25, 2022 1:21:03 GMT -5
This just made me realize we don’t have a Rey in the Legends line. It would be awesome to get one with two different masks. This time actually have the correct mask mold for the retro WCW style. I know Bill/Steve said we’d probably never get an unmasked Mysterio, but what if he unmasks when he retires? What that okay it?
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