eddiebrock
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Post by eddiebrock on Apr 6, 2022 13:49:21 GMT -5
Pre-Attitude with remnants of New Generation is what I think of.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Apr 6, 2022 17:48:32 GMT -5
The seeds I think were planted with Goldust gimmick; Austin got gun; mankind-Taker feud; the racial stable feud; as new generation was forming the attitude era
And Vince coining the term in 1997; and Austin winning the belt the first time was the official start of the early AE.
98-99 up and until McMahon-Helmsley era is the early AE
Centered around Austin/Taker/Foley/Heel Rock and HHH on the rise
00-Summer of 01
Rock taking the lead role with HHH as top heel; Austin’s return and heel run; Angles rise; The rise of TLC matches; etc
Summer of 01-WM 18
Is the forming of Ruthless Aggression Era and transition
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TheXtremisT
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Post by TheXtremisT on Apr 7, 2022 5:02:12 GMT -5
I strongly disagree that the Attitude Era started the night Austin won the WWF title at WM14. Strongly.
To say that completely disregards the more edgy storylines/actions the previous few months before - DX doing penis jokes, their poking fun at Clinton; Pillman's XXX files, formation and antics of New Age Outlaws, Austin stunning EVERYONE and flipping people off, NOD being a bit edgy, the use of "ass" during promos, Cornette's promos, "Bret screwed Bret", even the ECW invasion in Feb 1997.... And the biggest sign of all - the "Attitude" promo by Vince and the adoption of the scratch logo in late 1997.
So you're just going to ignore all that?
The New Generation era ends just before WM 13 when Raw is War debuts with the Beautiful People theme on March 16th 1997.
Then it was a period where both New Gen and Attitude were present in some ways.
Attitude's true beginning is a little fuzzy. I don't believe you can count it being with "Pillman's got a gun" or even what Goldust was doing. The rest of the shows were pure New Gen for a loooong time after that.
Truly, it was poking it's head after Summerslam 1997, but was slowly and truly ushered in in the following weeks. I'd say it was around Sep-Nov 97, but "officially" began after Survivor Series 1997. That's when things truly heated up.
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TheEvilDoink1987
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Apr 12, 2022 5:46:17 GMT -5
Hate to give such a lame answer, but I'd go with neither.
1997 WWF is really its own era. Things were constantly changing as the company evolved on pretty much a weekly basis. Arguably the most pivotal and important year in its history.
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TWJT
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Post by TWJT on Apr 12, 2022 10:37:29 GMT -5
Definitely Attitude, especially since some consider the last half of '96 to even be Attitude (with the era marker being the Austin 3:16 promo).
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razorrock
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Post by razorrock on Apr 12, 2022 19:22:15 GMT -5
Razor and Diesel showing up on Nitro was the beginning of the attitude era. Go watch their first appearances, that was when things got real...
And those 2 guys were attitude through and through...
That's the very beginning of the attitude era.
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