The Real Chillary
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Post by The Real Chillary on May 17, 2022 10:07:36 GMT -5
That Ultimate Warrior, what a spoiled brat for leaving and not agreeing with his booking.
That Stone Cold Steve Austin, what a spoiled brat for leaving and not agreeing with his booking.
That CM Punk, what a spoiled brat leaving and not agreeing with his booking.
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Post by CM Poor on May 17, 2022 10:41:04 GMT -5
It's a job, you get told what to do, do it, and are compensated. You can make suggestions and maybe they'll be taken into account, but at the end of the day they are being paid handsomely to perform. I'm not saying that the creative is good, or that they have to be happy about it, but they don't hold the cards here. This is why I'm not a fan of Banks, she is kind of spoiled. I'm sure she's making in the millions, she's headlined night one of the new two-night Wrestlemania format, she was an inaugural and now multi-time women's tag champ and multiple time Women's champion - and this is the second time (at least) that she's done this, and over the tag belts. Shawn Michaels said it best in his book 'sometimes you have to eat $#!t and like it'. I'm all for standing up for yourself if you're actually being mistreated (i.e. underpaid, harassed and guilted about taking time off, verbally abused, or any other instance of actual mistreatment). The worst thing WWE did here was publicize it in the snottiest way possible, which is par for the course anyway. From Sasha this is diva behavior. Nevertheless Sasha will probably be gone for months again, and then come back with green hair and win the Raw Womens' title because they don't want her to go to AEW. Bold advice from Shawn Michaels, noted face of the New Generation, renowned for his locker room leadership and ability to eat $#!t and like it throughout the prime of his career. That Ultimate Warrior, what a spoiled brat for leaving and not agreeing with his booking. That Stone Cold Steve Austin, what a spoiled brat for leaving and not agreeing with his booking. That CM Punk, what a spoiled brat leaving and not agreeing with his booking. Remember that time that Charlotte disagreed with the creative handed to her, went off script, acted like a primadonna on live television, and got a scathing narrative of her actions issued by corporate PR? I'd link it, but I can't see to find said statement because it doesn't exist.
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Post by hitmancmedge on May 17, 2022 10:48:54 GMT -5
I do not understand the culture of being wildly loyal to a corporation, especially one that acts as crapty to it's independent contractors as WWE does. It's like being loyal to Walmart. Just loony tunes. Seems to be largely a North American culture thing, and it's so bizarre to me. I don't understand my continent sometimes. That said, if you choose to wrestle there in 2022, you know what you're in for. Lets not act like this is necessarily just a case of two people being overinflated in their sense of self worth. Last time Sasha went home she was going through a huge bout of depression, and it's pretty open that she still struggles with mental health. That's a lifetime battle for a lot of people. That's going to get the better of you sometimes and lead to rash decisions. Naomi is married to a guy who can't stop getting behind the wheel drunk, there's no way that doesn't leave skeletons in your closet and difficulty with trust, etc. Doesn't mean it was a rational decision, but it does offer an explanation beyond being "spoiled brats" or anything like that. Throw that in with how things have been changing for the women since J.L. came back, how many people keep getting fired, etc, etc. Easy to see how a situation like this can boil over in a hurry, regardless of what version of the story is closest to true. (Remember how off the story about Sasha last time was? It wasn't even close to what actually happened). I’ll throw this at you, with this one I don’t think it’s like a corporate thing. Like I think if it was Ricochet, or Viking Raiders or someone like that most people would be on their side. I don’t really recall anyone calling Ali a diva or greedy or anything. Most people felt like he was just in his cause. Most would agree that Sasha has been very well taken care of in her run, they create a lot of opportunities for her and make sure she is always in a future spot and she was very well taken care of on her last contract. People view her as not being thankful for her spot and how she has been taken care of. Honestly when she was upset over losing the belts at mania she really didn’t have a leg to stand on. The wwe tried to get them to be the first women ever on that Saudi show but it didn’t happen, the iconics had managed to really get over on that road to mania and were rewarded for it. With this one, I don’t think most see how they were being treated wrongly in this, not enough to walk out. It’s very similar to the attitude that people had when Charlotte threw her fit and was sent home. They don’t really get that right in the fans eyes.
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Post by Nivro™ on May 17, 2022 11:07:45 GMT -5
You get over, win titles and become merch pushers LOL talk about having no clue. Naomi has never been a merch pusher. The glow sticks you see in the crowed are tossed out before her entrance. Nobody is buying that junk.
Sasha is a star, arguably the best female worker on the roster. Losing her doesn't shift the game though. She can go to AEW, the needle doesn't move and she will likely get lost in the shuffle on Rampage fighting the rest of the NXT endeavors.
Naomi would have been released years ago if she wasn't married into the Samoan dynasty. The old guard is better than her and the new call ups are better as well.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on May 17, 2022 11:20:55 GMT -5
It's a job, you get told what to do, do it, and are compensated. You can make suggestions and maybe they'll be taken into account, but at the end of the day they are being paid handsomely to perform. I'm not saying that the creative is good, or that they have to be happy about it, but they don't hold the cards here. This is why I'm not a fan of Banks, she is kind of spoiled. I'm sure she's making in the millions, she's headlined night one of the new two-night Wrestlemania format, she was an inaugural and now multi-time women's tag champ and multiple time Women's champion - and this is the second time (at least) that she's done this, and over the tag belts. Shawn Michaels said it best in his book 'sometimes you have to eat $#!t and like it'. . Bold advice from Shawn Michaels, noted face of the New Generation, renowned for his locker room leadership and ability to eat $#!t and like it throughout the prime of his career. And? Doesn't make it any less true. He lost his smile, he whined, he complained, but Vince himself even said when push came to shove, Shawn would go out and do exactly what you told him to do. The only time he walked out was after a physical altercation with Bret (which is much more justifiable). Also, comparing Sasha to Michaels or Austin or Hogan or any other actual megastars (who also were in the wrong when they acted like prima donnas) is ridiculous. Vince is much more apt to deal with BS like this when the money that you make for the company justifies dealing with such headaches (or in Shawn's case if you're just so incredible at everything that you do that it would be a catastrophic loss to the overall quality of the product). Sasha doesn't fall into either of those categories. Superstars arguably deserve some superstar concessions within reason, and Sasha is arguably one of the bigger current female stars, but she's no megastar, and this is the second time that she's not only done this, but taken someone else with her.
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hbkowns
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Post by hbkowns on May 17, 2022 11:23:41 GMT -5
While the booking was questionable (and has been in general for a long time). I don’t think a walkout was warranted. Not sure why Naomi walked, she seems to always be in a good spot no matter what.
Sasha always gets featured prominently. Visits the title scene quite a bit and has every accolade possible and is still somehow unsatisfied. I know she has mental health stuff going on but damn, if you truly don’t want to be there then you should always have the right to leave. Contract or no contract. Unfortunately, I don’t think she’s cut out for this business anymore, she’ll probably find more happiness in Hollywood.
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Post by Jim Cornette’s Wendy’s Order🍔 on May 17, 2022 11:34:44 GMT -5
Lol I was told in another thread that they hope I don’t talk to all women this way only because I made the comment saying that WWE needs to stop bringing Sasha back after all the differences they have had and how she’s taken her ball and gone home, to bring her back down to earth a little bit. Apparently that comment makes me think derogatorily of women…. Thanks Jimfriend 😂
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fabulous1971
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Post by fabulous1971 on May 17, 2022 11:36:20 GMT -5
LOL and Naomi was suppose to go over and fight Bianca for the title. Good riddance, release the two entitles twits. Let them go to AEW where the only direction they'll move the NEEDLE is back.
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Post by cordless2016 on May 17, 2022 11:39:45 GMT -5
On the one hand, the WWE lists them as “independent contractors.” But we all know they are really treated like a W2 employee, which murks everything. If they’re an employee, do what your employer wants. If they’re a contractor, then can’t blame them for refusing a job they didn’t want to do.
Personally, I think this wasn’t worth waking out over if the reports are true. They’re still champs regardless and would be featured in high profile feuds. In kayfabe, it would make sense the tag champs would work better as a team versus in singles matches. And in the end, loosing title fights to Bianca and Ronda isn’t anything to be mad at (especially for Naomi who would have been canned years ago if she hadn’t married into Roman’s family).
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Post by East Coast on May 17, 2022 11:41:06 GMT -5
Naomi was probably excited to a get a push and a PPV title shot against Bianca on the RAW brand.
till Sasha said that don't work for us brother
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Post by BSR on May 17, 2022 12:03:33 GMT -5
Good riddance.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on May 17, 2022 12:05:06 GMT -5
I’d like this to end in Sasha leaving. She’s still arguably the biggest female star in wrestling (certainly one of them), but she’s kind of a spare part at the moment, and there are women who need a spot. At this point, I’d rather she go to try and get a women’s division going in AEW.
I’m not a fan of Naomi and don’t particularly want her taking up time on TV, either.
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Post by k5 on May 17, 2022 12:14:20 GMT -5
Bold advice from Shawn Michaels, noted face of the New Generation, renowned for his locker room leadership and ability to eat $#!t and like it throughout the prime of his career. And? Doesn't make it any less true. He lost his smile, he whined, he complained, but Vince himself even said when push came to shove, Shawn would go out and do exactly what you told him to do. The only time he walked out was after a physical altercation with Bret (which is much more justifiable). Also, comparing Sasha to Michaels or Austin or Hogan or any other actual megastars (who also were in the wrong when they acted like prima donnas) is ridiculous. Vince is much more apt to deal with BS like this when the money that you make for the company justifies dealing with such headaches (or in Shawn's case if you're just so incredible at everything that you do that it would be a catastrophic loss to the overall quality of the product). Sasha doesn't fall into either of those categories. Superstars arguably deserve some superstar concessions within reason, and Sasha is arguably one of the bigger current female stars, but she's no megastar, and this is the second time that she's not only done this, but taken someone else with her. 1) where did Vince say that? 2) michaels literally would fake injuries to avoid doing a job. how on earth he can be cited as a responsible reference is beyond me I don’t really care about Sasha/Naomi/WWE, so I don’t have much of a comment on the current scenario
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valo487
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Post by valo487 on May 17, 2022 12:14:27 GMT -5
I’m not going to pretend like the creative was great, but almost everybody on the show is a victim of the same creative team. I have yet to hear anything reported about this situation that warrants walking out.
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Post by Evil Abed on May 17, 2022 12:19:25 GMT -5
Seriously, Naomi is one of the most useless 'stars' on the roster. Tell me something memorable she has done in her entire career. Sasha has the talent but unfortunately acts like a spoiled brat every time she doesn't get her way. How many times can you walk out on your boss before you get the axe. Its hard for me to believe this didn't start with Ronda replacing her in the SD Women's Title feud heading into Mania this year and snowball ever since. Honestly if this is it, then good riddance to both. Team Bad for one but other than that she’s never been able to show what she could do thanks to crap booking I don't feel like I really need to explain why Team "Bad" was awful. A fresh Sasha from NXT was the best part of that group. Also blaming Naomi's entire 10 year career on crap booking is a horrible excuse. She's been sloppy in the ring, awful on the mic, and even at the weakest point of the women's division (early to mid 2015) when there the roster was about as bare as it got, she was still about 4th or 5th biggest star behind the likes of Paige, AJ Lee, Nikki Bella, Emma, etc...
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Post by MKSavage on May 17, 2022 12:23:44 GMT -5
That Ultimate Warrior, what a spoiled brat for leaving and not agreeing with his booking. That Stone Cold Steve Austin, what a spoiled brat for leaving and not agreeing with his booking. That CM Punk, what a spoiled brat leaving and not agreeing with his booking. It seems like you are making a statement here, that men act the same way and don't get called out for it. However, in these cases, it doesn't work to well. The company did fire Warrior every time he acted up, and they even made a DVD burying the guy. Also, the third time he left, the company made him submit a bond before he could perform, and if he no-showed, he would lose the bond money. When Austin walked out, that night on Raw (or the next Raw), Rock went out and cut a promo on him for "taking his ball and going home". And with Punk, every time the crowds would chant him name at HHH or Stephanie, they would always respond with "I can't believe you are chanting for a quitter!" Men do get called out for the crap they do as well.
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The Real Chillary
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Chillary since day one ish
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Post by The Real Chillary on May 17, 2022 12:27:03 GMT -5
That Ultimate Warrior, what a spoiled brat for leaving and not agreeing with his booking. That Stone Cold Steve Austin, what a spoiled brat for leaving and not agreeing with his booking. That CM Punk, what a spoiled brat leaving and not agreeing with his booking. It seems like you are making a statement here, that men act the same way and don't get called out for it. However, in these cases, it doesn't work to well. The company did fire Warrior every time he acted up, and they even made a DVD burying the guy. Also, the third time he left, the company made him submit a bond before he could perform, and if he no-showed, he would lose the bond money. When Austin walked out, that night on Raw (or the next Raw), Rock went out and cut a promo on him for "taking his ball and going home". And with Punk, every time the crowds would chant him name at HHH or Stephanie, they would always respond with "I can't believe you are chanting for a quitter!" Men do get called out for the crap they do as well. Look at the replies in this thread. That's what my statement is about. Not the company, but the fans.
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Post by MKSavage on May 17, 2022 12:51:22 GMT -5
It seems like you are making a statement here, that men act the same way and don't get called out for it. However, in these cases, it doesn't work to well. The company did fire Warrior every time he acted up, and they even made a DVD burying the guy. Also, the third time he left, the company made him submit a bond before he could perform, and if he no-showed, he would lose the bond money. When Austin walked out, that night on Raw (or the next Raw), Rock went out and cut a promo on him for "taking his ball and going home". And with Punk, every time the crowds would chant him name at HHH or Stephanie, they would always respond with "I can't believe you are chanting for a quitter!" Men do get called out for the crap they do as well. Look at the replies in this thread. That's what my statement is about. Not the company, but the fans. The internet wasn't around during Warrior's time, and the fans didn't really hear about his stuff until after he retired. Austin's and Punk's incidents in the internet age (more so Punk's than Austin's), I'm sure if you went back, you would find people saying they were being disloyal, egotistical, even whiny. It's okay for fans to think that about wrestlers, we never know the full story.
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Post by CM Poor on May 17, 2022 13:50:57 GMT -5
The same heads dragging Sasha and Naomi who were not even a month ago clamoring for Alexa to do the same thing is wild to see.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on May 17, 2022 14:04:02 GMT -5
1) where did Vince say that? 2) michaels literally would fake injuries to avoid doing a job. how on earth he can be cited as a responsible reference is beyond me I don’t really care about Sasha/Naomi/WWE, so I don’t have much of a comment on the current scenario 1) Shawn Michaels' DVD 2) He technically 'had' the injuries, but they probably could've been worked through. I'm not saying he wasn't one of the worst ever when it come to this stuff, but the fact is that just because he being a bastard said it doesn't make it any less true. regardless, Sasha is not Shawn Michaels and never will be, so if Michaels is an @$$hole for his transgressions then so is Sasha. And she's in a much less reasonable position to act this way.
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