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Post by TWJT on May 29, 2022 1:10:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2022 1:20:53 GMT -5
I'm completely clueless as to what the real situation is. On the one hand, we've got juice Robinson, on the other hand we've got Cody. I'm just grateful that it's impossible to ever know. We've entered this weird era where being "worked" somehow makes you a geek, but like, isn't the whole point that we just embrace the show and pretend it's all real? I'm a film enthusiast not a film critic.
That all said, as many good decisions as I think he's made, and as big of aew fan as I am, you could not pay me enough to work for Tony Khan. I'd take him over Vince in a heartbeat, but he's shown his own true colors enough times already too that I'm not buying into the company line. He doesn't have the leadership skills.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on May 29, 2022 1:42:32 GMT -5
Normally I'd side with the worker over the owner in this kind of story, but MJF signed a contract for X amount of dollars and that's what he should get paid.
I don't think it's a work, because I can't see them screwing over paying fans in a meet and greet.
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Post by TWJT on May 29, 2022 2:21:28 GMT -5
Member of another message board I frequent posted an update on the situation, per Sean Ross Sapp:
"So I just watched a Sean Ross Sapp livestream on this subject, and SRS seems pretty plugged in and definitely seems to be talking to MJF's camp and sources within WWE (in terms of breaking news he's as good as Meltzer is right now, if not better, though Dave is better at analysis and historical precedents). Anyway, some takeaways:
- This may have started as a beef over his contract, but it's evolved into something more, like MJF simply wanting out. MJF's camp apparently strenuously denied wanting more money for the same length of contract.
- Cody's departure may or may not have led to a change in attitude. He didn't say either way but did note that the timing certainly lined up. The big change seems to have occurred in the last 2 months.
- When asked if he had to place a bet in Vegas for whether MJF would be at the PPV, he hesitated but said "yes." He seems to believe that "a rabbit will be pulled out of the hat" to at least get through tomorrow.
- MJF's issues have nothing to do with getting or not getting the title, losing to Wardlow, getting squashed by Wardlow, etc. There may be creative differences but they're deeper and more complicated than that. SRS doesn't know specifically what they are, though.
- Vince will 100% sign MJF if he can. It would be a huge get for WWE, maybe a bigger one than Cody (my words, not anyone else's). MJF is a draw, and draws are given way more exceptions than lots of other talent--SRS made the comparison to Sid. Meltzer said the same thing on Observer Radio earlier--that MJF can get away with this sort of thing.
- As the stream ended, SRS confirmed that his souces told him that MJF is *not* on the flight that was booked out of Vegas."
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Post by LK3 on May 29, 2022 3:22:04 GMT -5
Normally I'd side with the worker over the owner in this kind of story, but MJF signed a contract for X amount of dollars and that's what he should get paid. I don't think it's a work, because I can't see them screwing over paying fans in a meet and greet. Right, you don’t get to make more money and then still become a free agent in 2024. Now more money AND a new deal that would last until (for example) 26 or 27, then hell yeah let’s talk. Based on the SRS stream MJF’s unhappiness is more than just wanting to be paid more than he is now. It probably stemmed from that, but he thinks there’s more to it than JUST the contract. He just doesn’t know what it is.
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Post by finnbalor1 on May 29, 2022 4:02:28 GMT -5
I don't think many people outside of Khan and MJFs closest people really knows what's going on, so I'm not getting into who's wrong or not but I just hope this doesn't screw up Wardlow's big night and the fans that paid to see him perform.
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Post by @brit_figs on May 29, 2022 4:36:28 GMT -5
Wardlow best powerbomb some sense into him, if he does show up tonight.
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Post by Old Zeke on May 29, 2022 5:28:19 GMT -5
A lot of people on Twitter (Yeah, yeah, I know) seem to think he's been really unhappy since Cody left, and wants to jump ship to WWE because of that.
To be honest, I don't see how MJF would work in WWE. His character would be so watered down because of the PG rating.
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Post by hitmancmedge on May 29, 2022 7:19:17 GMT -5
A lot of people on Twitter (Yeah, yeah, I know) seem to think he's been really unhappy since Cody left, and wants to jump ship to WWE because of that. To be honest, I don't see how MJF would work in WWE. His character would be so watered down because of the PG rating. $$$ and I’m sure he thinks he has the potential to be a major star.
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Post by vampiroporvida on May 29, 2022 8:42:38 GMT -5
I get wanting to go elsewhere, but that is not exactly cool to burn fans for both parts. Not to mention Wardlow.... Max may be getting too big of an ego.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on May 29, 2022 8:47:11 GMT -5
I wonder how the reaction is going to be compared to Naomi and Sasha walking out.
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Post by hitmancmedge on May 29, 2022 9:20:00 GMT -5
I wonder how the reaction is going to be compared to Naomi and Sasha walking out. If you look online it’s about the same from both sides.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on May 29, 2022 9:21:15 GMT -5
I think the flight was a decoy to freak TK out. I feel pretty bad for the fans who paid to see him, and especially for Wardlow who has been waiting for this match for two years. Whereas this whole thing is said not to be a work it could easily be presented as one since the story is MJF doesn’t want the match to take place anyway.
I fear that Cody’s exit and presentation is giving people a skewed idea about how things would be for them, when in fact Cody being the first AEW ‘defector’ is likely a big part of why he was so sought after and everyone beyond him will see diminishing returns.
That said, MJF is the best heel in the business by a country mile, and the only person who remains in character at all times, so with the right booking he could be a valuable commodity. He probably has been talking to Cody, and how can Cody be anything but effusive considering his treatment and immediate rise to superstardom.
Nevertheless, there probably will be some bouncing between companies over the next several years. Everyone just needs to remember that the grass isn’t always greener. Sometimes it just looks that way because the dogs have been pissing all over it for years.
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Post by TheSharpshooter on May 29, 2022 9:41:45 GMT -5
That said, MJF is the best heel in the business by a country mile, and the only person who remains in character at all times, so with the right booking he could be a valuable commodity. That's why I'm sure it's all part of the story. MJF is as old school as it gets. We are just not used to it anymore.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on May 29, 2022 9:46:43 GMT -5
Screwing over paying fans that paid hundreds of dollars to meet MJF is not part of a story.
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Post by shenmue on May 29, 2022 9:59:33 GMT -5
Tony khan is the worst booker of all time if it's a work, this has made Tony, mjf and aew in general look terrible,it's obviously not a work.
MJF has been petrified of wardlow on tv for months, the match has been made, the fans already want to see it, you don't need an added non televised angle where paying fans gets screwed over to make this match even bigger.
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Post by hitmancmedge on May 29, 2022 10:18:52 GMT -5
Screwing over paying fans that paid hundreds of dollars to meet MJF is not part of a story. Yea that 100% wasn’t scripted. Pretty much everyone close to the situation has confirmed it. They wouldn’t screw with fans $$$
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Post by kinnikuman on May 29, 2022 10:21:25 GMT -5
Normally I'd side with the worker over the owner in this kind of story, but MJF signed a contract for X amount of dollars and that's what he should get paid. I don't think it's a work, because I can't see them screwing over paying fans in a meet and greet. That's the genius of it (if it's a work). There weren't 10,000 fans in like each paying $100 to see him. At most there were 75. AEW is more than comfortable losing that SMALL amount of cash, and pissing off 75 nerds to cook up something special. It's the same as how I see the Sasha/Naomi thing as a work. They pulled their merchandise. But it's not like she and Naomi sold 100 items a day. Maybe not even 100 items a month! They are perfectly ok losing that income for this brief period.
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Post by kinnikuman on May 29, 2022 10:26:33 GMT -5
Screwing over paying fans that paid hundreds of dollars to meet MJF is not part of a story. They were allowed a refund, or allowed to use their money to see another performer. They didn't lose a dime ... just didn't get to meet MJF. If it's a work, it's brilliant. Dangerous. But brilliant.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on May 29, 2022 10:29:45 GMT -5
Normally I'd side with the worker over the owner in this kind of story, but MJF signed a contract for X amount of dollars and that's what he should get paid. I don't think it's a work, because I can't see them screwing over paying fans in a meet and greet. That's the genius of it (if it's a work). There weren't 10,000 fans in like each paying $100 to see him. At most there were 75. AEW is more than comfortable losing that SMALL amount of cash, and pissing off 75 nerds to cook up something special. It's the same as how I see the Sasha/Naomi thing as a work. They pulled their merchandise. But it's not like she and Naomi sold 100 items a day. Maybe not even 100 items a month! They are perfectly ok losing that income for this brief period. If it's a work, it's truly disgusting. It's not brilliant.
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