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Post by TheNinthCloud on Jun 21, 2024 12:07:32 GMT -5
There’s no way this dynamite rating is real EDIT: apparently thurston is reporting 502k for last wednesday Something seems off. But I mean who the heck knows. Forbidden door time has never been good for ratings. (Which is hilarious now that everyone thinks Shawn is a genius for TNA coming over and doing exactly what people whine about aew doing with other promotions). But .16 seems lower than plausible without some sort of error. .2 I'd buy as a bad night, maybe even like .18/19, but .16 is just so much lower than typical even on bad nights with not a lot of competition or news that I know of at least. I straight up am suspicious someone mistyped 702k or something. That number is HORRIBLE. Meltzer confirming 502k
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jun 21, 2024 12:13:32 GMT -5
It’s the third year in a row that they see dramatic drops in internet searches and ratings during the forbidden door period. It also has been watered down when Tony has already signed the best guys and the guys show up throughout the year. It as a concept just doesn’t lead to compelling must watch tv. That’s it plain and simple. I know it’s also something that might not be believed but i sincerely believe not having Moxley on as a weekly fixture has hurt the company as well. I think he is a feature piece to the people outside of those core diehards.
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Post by J-MANN: Trios Champion on Jun 21, 2024 12:20:11 GMT -5
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Post by jk1979nc on Jun 21, 2024 12:35:49 GMT -5
AEW needs to bring in somebody that will get higher ratings and do good business with other wrestlers. LOL who can they possibly bring in? They'll never get The Rock, Cena, HBK, add whatever other "name" here. They had the biggest name and they squandered that. There is no wrestler that is a "somebody" that will ever move the needle in the direction they want it to go. And no, a random Mexican "star" or "who the heck is that" Japanese worker will do it. What they need to do is have good storylines and angles that keep people interested. Get a real booking committee. It really is that simple. That's a good question. I just want Tony Khan to take things more seriously with AEW. I think guys like Jim Ross, DDP and Jake "The Snake" Roberts could come up with interesting storylines and characters.
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Post by fabulous1971 on Jun 21, 2024 12:39:52 GMT -5
Maybe it's time for a reboot because no matter what they throw against the wall it is not going to stick. From a "world champion" that nobody cares for. A washed up Jericho just doing whatever he wants and obviously doesn't care what it does to the product. A returning MJF who just came back but isn't doing anything really of note. A total failure, flop, botch, non-successful, worthless signing in Mercedes Mone. Yeah, it's not even funny to make fun of these ratings, and before anyone screams "why are people so obsessed with ratings!?!?!?!" think back to the "Monday Night Wars", it was all about the ratings and people then would rub in the face of whichever company that lost, yeah, reboot this garbage. Sure there are a lot of injuries going on right now, but still, if they had a competent "booker" or booking team, that would actually do something the talent they do have would be able to do something worth watching. But yeah, NBA and NHL right?
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jun 21, 2024 12:45:41 GMT -5
Maybe it's time for a reboot because no matter what they throw against the wall it is not going to stick. From a "world champion" that nobody cares for. A washed up Jericho just doing whatever he wants and obviously doesn't care what it does to the product. A returning MJF who just came back but isn't doing anything really of note. A total failure, flop, botch, non-successful, worthless signing in Mercedes Mone. Yeah, it's not even funny to make fun of these ratings, and before anyone screams "why are people so obsessed with ratings!?!?!?!" think back to the "Monday Night Wars", it was all about the ratings and people then would rub in the face of whichever company that lost, yeah, reboot this garbage. Sure there are a lot of injuries going on right now, but still, if they had a competent "booker" or booking team, that would actually do something the talent they do have would be able to do something worth watching. But yeah, NBA and NHL right? I agree in 2024 it’s not about “ratings” but their internet searches are down, ticket sales are obviously way down, the game was a bomb. The momentum they had five years ago is gone, interest is obviously way down and they aren’t doing anything to change it. I get critical because I want the company to be around and this is a dangerous trend. I went to collision last night and the upper level was completely closed off and downstairs was only half open. The crowd was quiet, merch lines weren’t long. There is a disconnect here between the product and the consumer. I don’t care what anyone of the die hards try and say. Guy needs a booking team and a several year plan revolving around 20-25 guys.
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Post by rkmo: No Greater Threat on Jun 21, 2024 14:01:50 GMT -5
Why are people so obsessed with ratings?
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Post by fabulous1971 on Jun 21, 2024 15:13:24 GMT -5
Why are people so obsessed with ratings? Because it's fun. It's fun to see how good or bad something is doing. Why are you obsessed with people who are obsessed with ratings?
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jun 21, 2024 15:23:27 GMT -5
Apparently there was no Big Bang Theory lead in this week which raises a whole new set of questions then. Is the missing 200k just people who don’t change the channel or something once Big Bang ends?
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Post by fabulous1971 on Jun 21, 2024 15:36:20 GMT -5
Apparently there was no Big Bang Theory lead in this week which raises a whole new set of questions then. Is the missing 200k just people who don’t change the channel or something once spam ends? If the Big Bangers don't change the channel before 8:01 PM, whatever the show has for viewers counts for the first 15 min of "Dynamites" viewership. So yes. That's why they have a strong first 15 min and then it just fades away. It's just a cheap thing AEW does to make it look like it's doing well. Heck, a lot of shows do that.
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Post by sonstuds on Jun 21, 2024 16:18:47 GMT -5
It annoys me that Rush still loses against anyone credible. Give the man a mega push dammit.
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Post by Rocky Balboa on Jun 21, 2024 18:38:21 GMT -5
Having 500k viewers for MJF's return match. I prefer really not to speak, if I speak I am in big trouble.
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Post by J-MANN: Trios Champion on Jun 21, 2024 18:40:59 GMT -5
Having 500k viewers for MJF's return match. I prefer really not to speak, if I speak I am in big trouble. There goes the MJF is a draw debate.
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Post by Rocky Balboa on Jun 21, 2024 18:43:08 GMT -5
Having 500k viewers for MJF's return match. I prefer really not to speak, if I speak I am in big trouble. There goes the MJF is a draw debate. Wasn't everything declining with him as champion too? Attendence and all?
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Post by jk1979nc on Jun 21, 2024 21:34:36 GMT -5
Rush should put some pants on and be the Mexican version of Sabu. lol
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Post by bWo on Jun 21, 2024 22:50:03 GMT -5
AEW isn't just going to create a bunch of new wrestling fans. The only way their numbers increase is if WWE fans decide to watch something other than their beloved company, and the overwhelming vast majority of them simply WILL NOT do that. They will not cheat on their lover.
The biggest and most undeniable piece of evidence we saw for that was CM Punk's return. WWE fans cheered him and chanted his name for years and years and years after he was gone. All they wanted was to see CM Punk again. And then when he finally came back, only a few hundred thousand turned on AEW to see him. That was it.
All those WWE fans didn't want CM Punk to return to wrestling, they wanted CM Punk to return to WWE. That's all they care about. That's all they will watch. There is no needle mover. There is no magical solution. AEW could bring in Shawn Michaels and HHH to run the company and WWE fans would consider them traitors and not watch AEW.
We've seen it over and over with talent that has left or been fired from WWE and gone to AEW. Everyone loved Edge, until he went to AEW and became Adam Copeland. Then those same people who loved him found all kinds of reason to dislike him. At the very least, WWE fans would give Ricochet some respect. Now that the rumour is he's going to AEW he's just a "flippy guy." Cody Rhodes was a HHH wannabe in AEW............. But as soon as he went back to WWE he became the WWE universe's darling hero.
None of that has ANYTHING to do with booking, storytelling or wrestling styles, and everything to do with the wrestling umbrella those people are under. CM Punk is all the evidence you need. Where were ALL OF THOSE FANS when he was in AEW? They didn't care and they were never going to care.
Think of all the ex WWE mega stars who were in TNA. How'd that work out? It didn't because WWE fans refuse to change the channel. It's been like this ever since the Attitude era when WWE heavily pushed the "us vs them" mentality. When AEW started the first thing WWE did was move NXT to Wednesday to try to squash them. The us vs them mentality was alive and well and that's what WWE wanted. The majority of the fans have bought into and that's where we stand.
I'm 43. I watch both shows. Both have their ups and both have their downs. As a wrestling fan both have something to offer. Unless more people see it that way AEW is never going to grow. There are very few "wrestling fans" compared to WWE fans, and WWE fans won't let go of the "us vs them" mentality.
I'll end this with MJF. He was AEW's brightest star. When he was teasing going to WWE, WWE fans praised him to death. They wanted him so badly they could taste it. Now that he has signed with AEW and put the rumours to bed, suddenly those same people who wanted him are saying he's not a draw and he's not that good................ If he breached his contract today and signed with WWE tomorrow those same people would be saying he's a huge star all over again. Fact.
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jun 22, 2024 3:12:19 GMT -5
Yeah,WWE fans are the ones that won't let go of the us vs them mentality lmfao. Its PLENTY of that stupid stuff coming the other way too.
It could be as simple as Hunter is helping Cody feel like the biggest name in the business,that's where it comes down to a lot of people pointing at TK not being the right guy to make people care but hey lets just go with the never ending stupid comments about WWE fans🤦🏼♂️.
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Post by bWo on Jun 22, 2024 6:35:47 GMT -5
Yeah,WWE fans are the ones that won't let go of the us vs them mentality lmfao. Its PLENTY of that stupid stuff coming the other way too. It could be as simple as Hunter is helping Cody feel like the biggest name in the business,that's where it comes down to a lot of people pointing at TK not being the right guy to make people care but hey lets just go with the never ending stupid comments about WWE fans🤦🏼♂️. You just proved my point. DEFEND DEFEND DEFEND at all costs. I've been watching WWF since 1985. I have zero problems telling you that I was describing what I once was. I'm 43 now. I have no time for the "cult" shet anymore. I'd rather just be a wrestling fan and enjoy the business. You don't seem to realize (or want to realize) that the "WWE Universe" is more than just a marketing slogan. It's a reality that too many WWE fans don't want to step outside of. Cody Rhodes was a laughing stock when he left WWE. When he went to AEW the same WWE fans said he was nothing and would never help the company. He goes back to WWE and those same fans once again acted like he was a god. Nice of you to try to give HHH the credit, except VINCE MCMAHON was still running the place when Cody went back. DEFEND DEFEND DEFEND. Even if that means bending the truth to fit your narrative. Are AEW fans the same way? Sure. Difference is there's only about 700,000 of them, and I'd bet more than half of them watch or watched WWE. If MJF went to WWE those AEW fans would be mad he was gone, but they wouldn't go on and on about how he sucks and the company didn't need him anyways. AEW fans were booing Cody because they wanted him to turn heel not because they wanted him to leave the company. That was a MASSIVE LOSS and basically every AEW fan will admit that. Tony Khan is a fecking idiot who needs all the help he can get. It doesn't matter though because unless WWE fans are willing to step outside the "Universe" and become wrestling fans instead of WWE fans, AEW is going to remain right where they are. Christian Cage is doing the best work of his career right now in AEW and few to none of his WWE fans know or care because they won't give him the time of day anymore. AEW has some crazy hardcore matches that WWE fans complain about while they praise WWE men and women for almost killing themselves and paralyzing themselves doing TLC matches. People were mad that Cody and AJ styles were teasing thumbtacks in Scotland but didn't use them, but when AEW breaks out the thumbtacks it's garbage wrestling...... I didn't watch ANYTHING from TNA in it's "prime" because I was too busy thinking WWE was the only game in town and everything else was a cheap knockoff. I watch highlights now and kick myself. I love hardcore wrestling and see all the great action I missed out on. I didn't give a hardcore icon like Abyss a chance because that company was "below me" as a WWE fan. If you're a baseball fan and you're a Yankees fan you WILL NEVER watch/cheer for the Red Sox. There's a World Series to be won and YOUR YANKEES MUST WIN. There's no World Series in wrestling. There's just different companies that exist. There's nothing wrong with watching/cheering for more than your "wrestling Yankees."
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jun 22, 2024 6:52:52 GMT -5
Yeah,WWE fans are the ones that won't let go of the us vs them mentality lmfao. Its PLENTY of that stupid stuff coming the other way too. It could be as simple as Hunter is helping Cody feel like the biggest name in the business,that's where it comes down to a lot of people pointing at TK not being the right guy to make people care but hey lets just go with the never ending stupid comments about WWE fans🤦🏼♂️. You just proved my point. DEFEND DEFEND DEFEND at all costs. I've been watching WWF since 1985. I have zero problems telling you that I was describing what I once was. I'm 43 now. I have no time for the "cult" shet anymore. I'd rather just be a wrestling fan and enjoy the business. You don't seem to realize (or want to realize) that the "WWE Universe" is more than just a marketing slogan. It's a reality that too many WWE fans don't want to step outside of. Cody Rhodes was a laughing stock when he left WWE. When he went to AEW the same WWE fans said he was nothing and would never help the company. He goes back to WWE and those same fans once again acted like he was a god. Nice of you to try to give HHH the credit, except VINCE MCMAHON was still running the place when Cody went back. DEFEND DEFEND DEFEND. Even if that means bending the truth to fit your narrative. Are AEW fans the same way? Sure. Difference is there's only about 700,000 of them, and I'd bet more than half of them watch or watched WWE. If MJF went to WWE those AEW fans would be mad he was gone, but they wouldn't go on and on about how he sucks and the company didn't need him anyways. AEW fans were booing Cody because they wanted him to turn heel not because they wanted him to leave the company. That was a MASSIVE LOSS and basically every AEW fan will admit that. Tony Khan is a fecking idiot who needs all the help he can get. It doesn't matter though because unless WWE fans are willing to step outside the "Universe" and become wrestling fans instead of WWE fans, AEW is going to remain right where they are. Christian Cage is doing the best work of his career right now in AEW and few to none of his WWE fans know or care because they won't give him the time of day anymore. AEW has some crazy hardcore matches that WWE fans complain about while they praise WWE men and women for almost killing themselves and paralyzing themselves doing TLC matches. People were mad that Cody and AJ styles were teasing thumbtacks in Scotland but didn't use them, but when AEW breaks out the thumbtacks it's garbage wrestling...... I didn't watch ANYTHING from TNA in it's "prime" because I was too busy thinking WWE was the only game in town and everything else was a cheap knockoff. I watch highlights now and kick myself. I love hardcore wrestling and see all the great action I missed out on. I didn't give a hardcore icon like Abyss a chance because that company was "below me" as a WWE fan. If you're a baseball fan and you're a Yankees fan you WILL NEVER watch/cheer for the Red Sox. There's a World Series to be won and YOUR YANKEES MUST WIN. There's no World Series in wrestling. There's just different companies that exist. There's nothing wrong with watching/cheering for more than your "wrestling Yankees." Please tell me how what I said was DEFEND,DEFEND when you write about a whole page worth of nonsense? Thats not defending lol. Just because you couldn't appreciate other wrestling then WWE doesn't mean other fans cant but coming from you I get it. I guarantee im just as much of a AEW fan as about anyone on these boards,been to numerous shows counting the first Dynamite and the last,watched every tv episode since the beginning, countless figs and merch bought but since I don't sh!+ on everything WWE does every week,guess I'm not a AEW fan and just apart of the WWE cult lmfao. But yeah,you're probably right its WWE fans fault that AEW is losing viewers left and right🤦🏼♂️ And one other thing,Cody wasn't the biggest name in the business when he went back under Vince,he is now. So not bending the truth but I guess that went above your head like the things you dont have a WWE bad comment for
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jun 22, 2024 8:38:18 GMT -5
AEW isn't just going to create a bunch of new wrestling fans. The only way their numbers increase is if WWE fans decide to watch something other than their beloved company, and the overwhelming vast majority of them simply WILL NOT do that. They will not cheat on their lover. The biggest and most undeniable piece of evidence we saw for that was CM Punk's return. WWE fans cheered him and chanted his name for years and years and years after he was gone. All they wanted was to see CM Punk again. And then when he finally came back, only a few hundred thousand turned on AEW to see him. That was it. All those WWE fans didn't want CM Punk to return to wrestling, they wanted CM Punk to return to WWE. That's all they care about. That's all they will watch. There is no needle mover. There is no magical solution. AEW could bring in Shawn Michaels and HHH to run the company and WWE fans would consider them traitors and not watch AEW. We've seen it over and over with talent that has left or been fired from WWE and gone to AEW. Everyone loved Edge, until he went to AEW and became Adam Copeland. Then those same people who loved him found all kinds of reason to dislike him. At the very least, WWE fans would give Ricochet some respect. Now that the rumour is he's going to AEW he's just a "flippy guy." Cody Rhodes was a HHH wannabe in AEW............. But as soon as he went back to WWE he became the WWE universe's darling hero. None of that has ANYTHING to do with booking, storytelling or wrestling styles, and everything to do with the wrestling umbrella those people are under. CM Punk is all the evidence you need. Where were ALL OF THOSE FANS when he was in AEW? They didn't care and they were never going to care. Think of all the ex WWE mega stars who were in TNA. How'd that work out? It didn't because WWE fans refuse to change the channel. It's been like this ever since the Attitude era when WWE heavily pushed the "us vs them" mentality. When AEW started the first thing WWE did was move NXT to Wednesday to try to squash them. The us vs them mentality was alive and well and that's what WWE wanted. The majority of the fans have bought into and that's where we stand. I'm 43. I watch both shows. Both have their ups and both have their downs. As a wrestling fan both have something to offer. Unless more people see it that way AEW is never going to grow. There are very few "wrestling fans" compared to WWE fans, and WWE fans won't let go of the "us vs them" mentality. I'll end this with MJF. He was AEW's brightest star. When he was teasing going to WWE, WWE fans praised him to death. They wanted him so badly they could taste it. Now that he has signed with AEW and put the rumours to bed, suddenly those same people who wanted him are saying he's not a draw and he's not that good................ If he breached his contract today and signed with WWE tomorrow those same people would be saying he's a huge star all over again. Fact. I think WWE fans are the reason why AEW ever had good ratings to begin with. 2019-2022 WWE was unwatchable. Lot's of WWE fans started watching AEW. Then in July 2022 when Triple H took over and WWE started getting good again, people started going back to WWE. At that same time AEW did the first forbidden door and while VERY TALENTED wrestlers having really great matches, these obscure NJPW and CMLL guys just don't appeal to the main stream/casual fan. I believe that AEW needs to go back to the model which got them success early....Dynamite used to be like a free PPV every Wednesday. We were getting MASSIVE dream matches. Now, every match is a upper card talent vs a lower card talent in a match where the winner is a foregone conclusion. MJF vs RUSH was probably better than any match WWE did all week, but people saw RUSH and said "this match doesn't excite me because we already know MJF is winning". I believe Tony probably panicked due to bad ratings and brought MJF back early before Adam Cole was medically cleared. MJF's first match back should have been against Adam Cole. The RUSH thing made no sense from the get go. That would be like WWE holding Roman Reigns out for 6 months and bringing him back to have his first match be against Carlito. I know lots of AEW fans scoff at the concept with their "who cares about storylines", but it wouldn't hurt if AEW had some better storylines. It seems like every Dynamite is just matches that were thrown together with a random match generator and they are relying on the quality of the matches to pull in the viewers. WWE is proof that mediocre and bad matches will draw better than good ones with names that nobody cares about. Like most blockbuster movies; tickets get sold based on the quality of the CAST. Movies cast big name actors because that gets people in the theaters. Basically it boils down to not a lot of people are going to watch random matches for the sake of random matches. The majority of fans want to see characters that they are emotionally connected to in a match that it matters to them who wins and who loses. Two guys I don't know having a match where no reason or explanation as to why they are fighting, and nothing will change regardless of who wins or loses, isn't an effective business model. And as has been said,...the Big Bang Theory situation. Clearly that has been inflating AEW's numbers. It's like they have to take a dump once Big Big Bang Theory is over and 200k viewers disappear within 15 minutes once those people get back from the bathroom and change the channel. In conclusion: AEW must start booking matches that have STAR VS STAR, even if the QUALITY OF THE MATCHES GOES DOWN, and AEW must start to write actual storylines to explain why the characters are doing what they are doing.
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