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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 2, 2022 7:42:55 GMT -5
We all know the dreadful state that tag team wrestling has been in with regards to the WWE for what seems like forever now. I’m curious as to when everyone thinks the tag team division started it’s decent to where it is today.
For me, it’s the 2002 brand split. It was that night that we saw the Dudley Boyz and APA, both staples of the tag division for years, broken up. The Hardy Boyz remained on the same show, but even they were broken up a few months later after being destroyed by Brock on multiple PPVs.
In the case of the Dudley Boyz and APA, both teams reunited within a year, but the momentum for both teams seemed gone and the storylines just weren’t as interesting as they had been in the past. It was also around this time that we started to see more random, make-shift tag teams that would be put together for a quick title run, and then broken up as soon as they dropped them. The effort just seemed gone with regards to tag team wrestling by this point.
So, when does everyone else feel the WWE began to not care about the tag division.
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Post by The Brain on Aug 2, 2022 8:21:11 GMT -5
92 to me was the start.Then as New Gen went on it got worse but it rebounded during the AE then fell into an abyss by 02 like you mentioned.You know its bad when you got Rikishi/Rico as your champs
Nothing will ever top 80s tag wrestling in my book.All those classic teams under one roof.And not just the WWF you had the NWA killing it as well.
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Post by MKSavage on Aug 2, 2022 9:21:41 GMT -5
For the WWF, it had to be when they stopped pushing the Steiner Brothers. After that, it was a baren waist land for tag teams. So much so, that they had to start putting singles stars together as champions (HBK & Diesel, Owen & Yoko, Owen & Davey, Austin & HBK/Foley, etc.) It wasn't until the New Age Outlaws came along and started feuding with the Legion of Doom and Cactus Jack/Chainsaw Charlie that the division started to grow. Then came the Hardy's, Dudley Boyz, Edge & Christian, and the APA, that's when the WWF/WWE tag team division was good again. When they started splitting those teams, and no new teams could reach their level in popularity or talent, that's when the division ended. I've watched wrestling over the last decade, on an off, and the tag team division is not good. They seem to have a lot of teams, but the brand split weakens the division in my opinion, and the same teams wrestle each other all the time. One week it will be a tag match, the next week it will be a singles match between a member of each team, then the next week the other members of each team have a singles match, then repeat. How many times did the Uso's and the New Day wrestle each other on TV. They need to do away with the brand split, especially for the tag division and women's division - they just don't have the roster depth to work well in the split. Personally, what they should do is make RAW the show that tells the stories/angles, and some have matches, then make Smackdown more of an old school wrestling show, no real angles or stories, just show matches and let the announcers tell the stories/angels. And the matches don't have to be of people in a feud, this way matches, and feuds don't get stale. I always liked the old superstars and wrestling challenges', they would show matches of guys that weren't even feuding, just two random wrestlers putting on a match. For instance, in 1989, they put Bret Hart vs Rick Martel on wrestling challenge, they weren't feuding with each other; they just had a great match. They should do this more in today's wrestling, how many times do the same people wrestle on each raw prior to the PPV, makes the PPV worthless if you've already seen the match. Personally, I hate when they just put two single stars together and make them a tag team. I really like it when they build a tag team together, and that they look like they should be in a team. Maybe that's because I grew up in the late 80s and early 90s, when all tag teams were actual teams. Another signal of when the tag team division went downhill is when they quit using these title belts - always my favorite: These just look ridiculous:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2022 10:01:10 GMT -5
i feel around 1991/1992 as well. this goes for wcw as well.
kinda seems like once they got LOD, they kinda gave up on making great tag teams. then again when steiners showed up.
power n glory should been champs. nasty boys sucked.
92 was pretty much just lod, disasters & money Inc.
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Post by AndrewR85 on Aug 2, 2022 11:14:23 GMT -5
In my opinion, the tag team division started going downhill during the New Generation era. I feel like the only decent tag team around 1994-5 was the Smoking Gunns, most others were a joke. They might have been champions at one point, but I could never take Men on a Mission seriously.
There have been good tag teams since then, like the Hardy Boyz, but they are few and far between. I don't think tag team wrestling will ever be as good as it was in the 80s/early 90s.
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Post by nibs92 on Aug 2, 2022 11:36:36 GMT -5
The OP probably has it right. A strong division needs depth and post split never seems to have had it, with the loss of a lot of regular teams. I was losing interest in wrestling around this time so may have it wrong but the excellent smack down series with Benoit/Angle, Misterio/edge etc nay hihglighted the lack of regular teams.
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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 2, 2022 12:28:20 GMT -5
The OP probably has it right. A strong division needs depth and post split never seems to have had it, with the loss of a lot of regular teams. I was losing interest in wrestling around this time so may have it wrong but the excellent smack down series with Benoit/Angle, Misterio/edge etc nay hihglighted the lack of regular teams. Agreed those matches on Smackdown in late-2002 were great, but it highlighted just how shallow the division was. Outside of the Guerreros, every other team in the tag-title tournament were random singles competitors thrown together, with the majority of them never teaming again afterwards.
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Post by JokerFC on Aug 2, 2022 13:12:42 GMT -5
New Generation era is where Vince lost interest.
The Steiner's push was derailed because both men were apparently miserable and Vince seemed to stop caring then altogether. Money Inc were broken up due to Teds injuries, the Natural Disasters fell off the radar(would have been great opponents for Steiners) we had the Heavenly Bodies in & out & then the Smokin Gunns, Quebecers and Headbangers.
Just kept degrading all throughout the NG until 1997 when LOD came back and you had several good teams again and then the Outlaws formed..not that the division was good in the early AE either...
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Post by MKSavage on Aug 2, 2022 14:15:28 GMT -5
New Generation era is where Vince lost interest. The Steiner's push was derailed because both men were apparently miserable and Vince seemed to stop caring then altogether. Money Inc were broken up due to Teds injuries, the Natural Disasters fell off the radar(would have been great opponents for Steiners) we had the Heavenly Bodies in & out & then the Smokin Gunns, Quebecers and Headbangers. Just kept degrading all throughout the NG until 1997 when LOD came back and you had several good teams again and then the Outlaws formed..not that the division was good in the early AE either... Interesting, never even considered that. But if they would have rebuilt the Disasters as a monster heel team, they would have been good opponents for the Steiners.
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Post by The Brain on Aug 2, 2022 14:26:51 GMT -5
MKSavage Demo with the best looking tag belts all of time. Absolutely beautiful I will say though the RA tag belts for both shows were nice.
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Post by JokerFC on Aug 2, 2022 14:40:23 GMT -5
New Generation era is where Vince lost interest. The Steiner's push was derailed because both men were apparently miserable and Vince seemed to stop caring then altogether. Money Inc were broken up due to Teds injuries, the Natural Disasters fell off the radar(would have been great opponents for Steiners) we had the Heavenly Bodies in & out & then the Smokin Gunns, Quebecers and Headbangers. Just kept degrading all throughout the NG until 1997 when LOD came back and you had several good teams again and then the Outlaws formed..not that the division was good in the early AE either... Interesting, never even considered that. But if they would have rebuilt the Disasters as a monster heel team, they would have been good opponents for the Steiners. yup they sure would. Strange....after their ill timed face run(literally nothing about the NDs was face worthy)and loss of the titles to Money Inc the NDs disappeared as a team really....only made sporadic appearances as singles then. in 1993 the WWF had Steiners Bevery Brothers Heavenly Bodies Smokin Gunns Natural Disasters Nasty Boys Headshrinkers Quebecers but seemingly had zero interest in doing anything with 90% of the teams. Weird.
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Post by JokerFC on Aug 2, 2022 14:46:35 GMT -5
I think a Nasty Boys vs Headshrinkers feud would have been effin ace......I know the Nastys were fired in spring 1993 after a european tour but its a pity IMO.
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Post by figdrip on Aug 2, 2022 14:47:52 GMT -5
MKSavage Demo with the best looking tag belts all of time. Absolutely beautiful I will say though the RA tag belts for both shows were nice. Much better than current
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Post by The Brain on Aug 2, 2022 14:48:10 GMT -5
Interesting, never even considered that. But if they would have rebuilt the Disasters as a monster heel team, they would have been good opponents for the Steiners. yup they sure would. Strange... .after their ill timed face run(literally nothing about the NDs was face worthy)and loss of the titles to Money Inc the NDs disappeared as a team really....only made sporadic appearances as singles then. in 1993 the WWF had Steiners Bevery Brothers Heavenly Bodies Smokin Gunns Natural Disasters Nasty Boys Headshrinkers Quebecers but seemingly had zero interest in doing anything with 90% of the teams. Weird. They teased a feud with the Headshrinkers in late 92 after the latter cost em the belts but nothing came of it.Wouldve been a sight to see... I'm a ND fan. Glad they got a run with the belts but yeah I never bought em as babyfaces
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Post by The Brain on Aug 2, 2022 14:51:27 GMT -5
I think a Nasty Boys vs Headshrinkers feud would have been effin ace......I know the Nastys were fired in spring 1993 after a european tour but its a pity IMO. The few matches they taped(Raw and European tour) were fun brawls. I enjoyed the hell outta em
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Post by Warriah' on Aug 2, 2022 15:00:55 GMT -5
92 to me was the start.Then as New Gen went on it got worse but it rebounded during the AE then fell into an abyss by 02 like you mentioned.You know its bad when you got Rikishi/Rico as your champs Nothing will ever top 80s tag wrestling in my book.All those classic teams under one roof.And not just the WWF you had the NWA killing it as well. I don't think the new gen had it that bad in regards to a tag division. It's just that they had a pretty thin roster overall. You still had the Smokin Gunns, Bodydonnas, Godwinns, Headbangers, Headshrinkers, Blu Brothers, Quebecers, Men on a Mission, Heavenly Bodies etc. Your tag champs weren't like just Bret Hart and Lex Luger like you would find in the Ruthless Aggression era. Even when you did have a couple of top guys thrown together, like say Luger and Bulldog, they really packaged them as a team with the same attire, a badass theme and stuff.
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Post by The Brain on Aug 2, 2022 15:28:19 GMT -5
While there were some thrown together teams I enjoyed(Austin/Foley,Owen/Yoko,BookDust),I'm still not a fan of em in general.
Give me legit teams any day
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2022 17:59:38 GMT -5
we all know wwf tag scene was stacked from 1987-1990
here is WCW 1989 tag teams:
warriors steiners midnights R&R Ex horseman doom freebirds varsity club skyscrapers wild samoans
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Post by The Brain on Aug 2, 2022 18:06:02 GMT -5
we all know wwf tag scene was stacked from 1987-1990 here is WCW 1989 tag teams:
warriors steiners midnights R&R Ex horseman doom freebirds varsity club skyscrapers wild samoans🔥🔥🔥
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Post by JokerFC on Aug 3, 2022 6:33:48 GMT -5
we all know wwf tag scene was stacked from 1987-1990 here is WCW 1989 tag teams: warriors steiners midnights R&R Ex horseman doom freebirds varsity club skyscrapers wild samoans Impressive stuff...
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