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Post by HeelPiper on Aug 4, 2022 17:41:37 GMT -5
I actually think it’ll get worse. It’ll get more woke without Vince so cancel culture will run wild. I think in time we’ll loose Warrior and Hulk. Scott Steiner was arrested for assault and terroristic threats so probably unlikely. Sunny - DUI’s. Booker T - robberies. Big Show - arrested for exposing himself. Kurt Angle - DUI’s. Stone Cold - domestic abuse. etc etc. We’ve already seen Ric Flair cancelled by WWE. It’s only a matter of time unfortunately. That’s probably why they’re putting so many Hogans out! It's definitely not going to extend to things like DUI's. Unless something becomes a mainstream topic of discussion, and is actively causing PR related issues, they don't care. Nobody cares. Hell, what was the actual consequence if they released RVD or Cheif Jay Strongbow? Mattel and WWE are too big to be effect greatly by social justice activists or miniscule political correctness issues. Sounds to me like somebody at Mattel simply agreed with the sentiments of the small group of detractors. |
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Post by deadman89 on Aug 4, 2022 18:58:44 GMT -5
I actually think it’ll get worse. It’ll get more woke without Vince so cancel culture will run wild. I think in time we’ll loose Warrior and Hulk. Scott Steiner was arrested for assault and terroristic threats so probably unlikely. Sunny - DUI’s. Booker T - robberies. Big Show - arrested for exposing himself. Kurt Angle - DUI’s. Stone Cold - domestic abuse. etc etc. We’ve already seen Ric Flair cancelled by WWE. It’s only a matter of time unfortunately. That’s probably why they’re putting so many Hogans out! It's definitely not going to extend to things like DUI's. Unless something becomes a mainstream topic of discussion, and is actively causing PR related issues, they don't care. Nobody cares. Hell, what was the actual consequence if they released RVD or Cheif Jay Strongbow? Mattel and WWE are too big to be effect greatly by social justice activists or miniscule political correctness issues. Sounds to me like somebody at Mattel simply agreed with the sentiments of the small group of detractors. so Vince’s retirement had nothing to do with the press coming out? Listen legally he did nothing wrong but to not think the hush money stories and NDAs had nothing to do with him deciding to retire seems off |
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Post by HeelPiper on Aug 4, 2022 19:08:28 GMT -5
It's definitely not going to extend to things like DUI's. Unless something becomes a mainstream topic of discussion, and is actively causing PR related issues, they don't care. Nobody cares. Hell, what was the actual consequence if they released RVD or Cheif Jay Strongbow? Mattel and WWE are too big to be effect greatly by social justice activists or miniscule political correctness issues. Sounds to me like somebody at Mattel simply agreed with the sentiments of the small group of detractors. so Vince’s retirement had nothing to do with the press coming out? Listen legally he did nothing wrong but to not think the hush money stories and NDAs had nothing to do with him deciding to retire seems off Legally he did nothing wrong lol? It's a public company, you can't randomly "lose" 15 million dollars in company money. He didn't even use his own funds, what an idiot. |
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Post by crush on Aug 4, 2022 19:35:03 GMT -5
I really don’t think much is going to change either way.
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Post by One Punch Reigns on Aug 4, 2022 19:38:26 GMT -5
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't curious as well. HHH was the one who helped bury multiple hatchets knowing in the end, it's better for business than holding a petty grudge.
I think with some legends, Vince was the source of beef, so with Haitch at the helm, I'm optimistic about the possibilities.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Aug 4, 2022 19:53:34 GMT -5
I think the problem is WWE wants a piece of the pie. When Jakks was able to sign their own guys, they were pretty much making money off wwe(unless the deal said they make some). It’s smart business for wwe
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Post by jacobl18 on Aug 4, 2022 20:27:45 GMT -5
Steve said in the Q&A from SDCC that Mattel & WWE have seen the demand and success of classic talent and that now more than ever they are making more of an effort on getting more guys made. He said that they have atleast 2 FTIL figures coming in 2023 that have not been announced yet.
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Aug 4, 2022 20:44:22 GMT -5
I expect some subtle changes, but many of those were probably in the works long before the recent changes. Steve mentioned more FTIL talent coming, and obviously things like JJ and Bischoff happened while Vince was around. And something like the Steiners, if they did sign, may be completely independent of any leadership change and more of supporting Bron's career. Or someone like Bruno, who appears to be under a deal again. I wouldn't expect a crazy change. Stephanie was CBO, so the Legends program would have been under her department previously. But time will tell. I haven’t heard anything about Bruno….what did I miss? I’d love an 86-87 Bruno. |
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Post by The Big Boss Man on Aug 4, 2022 20:58:53 GMT -5
IF anything changes, our collections won't see it for a few years at least. If a policy shifts, it won't be overnight; legends deals won't be on page 1 of the new admin's priorities. Even if so, it takes time to reach out to people (or their estates), get deals done, turn those names over to Mattel, have Mattel make designs, and find lines to plug them in.
Long term I'm cautiously optimistic about legends in general, but short term those wheels -- whatever they are -- are already in motion, and I'm somewhat optimistic about that.
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Post by qdogg on Aug 4, 2022 21:28:26 GMT -5
The Legends deal is just not a good enough deal for any of these guys to sign is probably the real problem.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Aug 4, 2022 21:46:07 GMT -5
It's definitely not going to extend to things like DUI's. Unless something becomes a mainstream topic of discussion, and is actively causing PR related issues, they don't care. Nobody cares. Hell, what was the actual consequence if they released RVD or Cheif Jay Strongbow? Mattel and WWE are too big to be effect greatly by social justice activists or miniscule political correctness issues. Sounds to me like somebody at Mattel simply agreed with the sentiments of the small group of detractors. so Vince’s retirement had nothing to do with the press coming out? Listen legally he did nothing wrong but to not think the hush money stories and NDAs had nothing to do with him deciding to retire seems off Vince did something very illegal and it's bad enough the federal government is investigating him. |
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Post by James St. James on Aug 4, 2022 22:38:08 GMT -5
Sable has been a glaring omission, although I'm not sure if its due to her relationship with Vince or the fact that all of her BCA figures looked like blow up dolls. Id be apprehensive too.
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Post by viper412 on Aug 4, 2022 23:11:02 GMT -5
I doubt it would change but I’d definitely like to see all the top ECW guys that we haven’t seen
I don’t really understand the deal with why Mattel can’t sign people but Jakks was able to but it makes sense why WWE wouldn’t really care about those ECW guys (mainly thinking Raven, Sandman and Sabu) because they didn’t really do much in WWE compared to ECW
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Post by deadman89 on Aug 5, 2022 3:29:39 GMT -5
so Vince’s retirement had nothing to do with the press coming out? Listen legally he did nothing wrong but to not think the hush money stories and NDAs had nothing to do with him deciding to retire seems off Vince did something very illegal and it's bad enough the federal government is investigating him. I’m not keeping up with this case but the last things that I read were that the board was investigating hush money payments made to several women over the years, nobody had yet confirmed if the money came from WWE or Vince personally, so forgive me if I’m not up to date with the latest on the case, but again going back to the purpose of my original reply, to say Vince and WWE are above the ramifications of “cancel culture” doesn’t seem to line up with the recent changes in WWE. |
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Post by destino on Aug 6, 2022 20:28:37 GMT -5
If things change, they're not going to be felt for a good long while. I'm sure there are probably people more willing to work with WWE now that Vince is out, but what toys get made are such a low priority right now. Add to that the time it takes to go from concept to reveal to figures being on store shelves, we may not see anything really different for probably a year or more.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Aug 6, 2022 20:40:10 GMT -5
Does this mean potentially no more Vince figures going forward?
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Post by azraelms on Aug 6, 2022 21:05:44 GMT -5
Does this mean potentially no more Vince figures going forward? Probably so. |
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Post by kinnikuman on Aug 6, 2022 22:38:38 GMT -5
I expect some subtle changes, but many of those were probably in the works long before the recent changes. Steve mentioned more FTIL talent coming, and obviously things like JJ and Bischoff happened while Vince was around. And something like the Steiners, if they did sign, may be completely independent of any leadership change and more of supporting Bron's career. Or someone like Bruno, who appears to be under a deal again. I wouldn't expect a crazy change. Stephanie was CBO, so the Legends program would have been under her department previously. But time will tell. This. WWE has their own department dedicated to merch. It's not like Vince had ANYTHING to do with toys. He may have had to give the OK for legends to get contracts, but none if it was his brainchild. At most he just signed a piece of paper, or gave someone a Yes or No. So I doubt HHH will have any direct role with merch as well. It'll be the same team that has been there. Yes, you might see a legend signed that they'd know would make a profit that Vince always said no to, but that's about it. |
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Post by Ruthless Attitude on Aug 7, 2022 0:32:27 GMT -5
I expect some subtle changes, but many of those were probably in the works long before the recent changes. Steve mentioned more FTIL talent coming, and obviously things like JJ and Bischoff happened while Vince was around. And something like the Steiners, if they did sign, may be completely independent of any leadership change and more of supporting Bron's career. Or someone like Bruno, who appears to be under a deal again. I wouldn't expect a crazy change. Stephanie was CBO, so the Legends program would have been under her department previously. But time will tell. I haven’t heard anything about Bruno….what did I miss? I’d love an 86-87 Bruno. Bruno is in a new trading card set. Great Khali happens to be in the same set. |
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Post by glassoni0n on Aug 7, 2022 7:45:55 GMT -5
I really don’t think much is going to change either way. I agree, I think if anything it will be a small net-positive with a few added names to the Legends roster. I don't see the current regime going back and exorcising old demons from the past, but they may be more "with the times," when it comes to future dealings. |
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