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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Aug 28, 2022 17:24:07 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels forfeiting the belt started a chain reaction of events that likely wouldn’t have happened making the landscape of the WWF different heading into and coming out of WrestleMania. Main event will probably be HBK v Bret meaning we don’t get Bret v Austin. Who does Stone Cold wrestle and does he turn face? Taker doesn’t get his run with the belt. Would he ever get put in the title picture? Do we get the formation of the Hart Foundation? Does DX form?
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Post by jason88cubs on Aug 28, 2022 18:18:44 GMT -5
Stone Cold probably is around the IC level maybe he faces Rocky Maivia? or get sthrown in a feud with HHH or Goldust
Taker would be close to main event and would be the go to guy if needed
I still see DX nad Hart Foundation forming no matter what
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Post by Its Tiffy Time on Aug 28, 2022 18:21:52 GMT -5
Poor vacant would have been screwed
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Aug 28, 2022 18:48:51 GMT -5
Yeah I think maybe Owen and Davey help Bret win at Mania turning him heel then and forming the foundation. Stone Cold maybe wrestles Sid and turns face there. Taker and Vader I can see happening as well.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 28, 2022 19:29:24 GMT -5
I could see Steve Austin vs. Undertaker happening after the PPV before where Austin, Taker, Bret and Vader were in the final 4 battle royal deal.
Vader and Mankind vs. Owen and Davey would have still happened.
Sid vs. Bret vs. HBK would have happened at Wrestlemania. They were doing those matches on house shows and dark matches after Raw leading up to HBK losing his smile.
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Post by MKSavage on Aug 28, 2022 20:33:46 GMT -5
Strange to think about. I still think they turn Bret; from Royal Rumble 97 to WrestleMania 13, Bret seemed to be turning heel anyway. I could see Bret winning the belt at WM13 from HBK, remaining a good guy, but getting more boos than usual. His next PPV opponent would have to be Austin, they were still feuding on every Raw, I could see them doing the submission match for the WWF title at that PPV and this is when they turn Bret. Or, they could possibly have Bret drop the WWF title to Undertaker on Raw prior to the PPV vs Austin. Have a lot of interference, similar to the cage match between Sid and Bret when Bret pushed Vince down in the ring and cussed on TV. This way Undertaker gets a run with the belt, and you get pretty much everything else that happened after that. Also, Bret needed some time off after April to get surgery on his knee, so dropping the belt to Taker makes sense.
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Post by hbkjason on Aug 29, 2022 0:29:36 GMT -5
This is a very interesting scenario and one that is nearly impossible for me to imagine as it would cost us Austin vs Hart at WrestleMania.
However, I have to say that I just do not see any way in hell that Shawn Michaels was ever going to drop the title to Bret Hart at WrestleMania. If he didn't lose his smile, I am sure there would have been some other reason as to why he would not have lost to Bret at WrestleMania.
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Post by The Brain on Aug 29, 2022 4:53:36 GMT -5
I could def see a triple threat with HBK/Bret/Sid with Sid taking the fall to whoever.Shawn most likely with Bret finally at his breaking point citing he never took the fall which sets off the heel turn.I cant see a straight up one on one match between the two at Mania because I just cant see HBK willing to drop the belt back to Bret with all the heat they had going on at the time.
Crazy to think we wouldve lost Austin/Bret. I'm glad he did ''lose his smile'' in the end.
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Post by nibs92 on Aug 29, 2022 6:45:17 GMT -5
Well the fatal four way match was set up to determine the number one contender match at WM in the first place so keep that the same. Vader can go first, then have Bret eliminate Austin behind the refs back. Austin can then come back in and eliminate Bret and Taker eliminate Austin. Taker faces and beats Shawn at WM and Bret & Austin can stay the same.
“Whiny” Bret gets the shot at Summerslam and beats the Taker with Shawn as the ref. And the rest of the year pans out the same.
I’m maybe alone here but in this phase ofShawn’s career I’m glad we didn’t get Bret/Shawn II. If he wasn’t prepared to cooperate and do what was right then no point in having the match.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Aug 29, 2022 6:59:22 GMT -5
It’s weird thinking about the butterfly effect changing that one thing. Maybe HBK/Bret 2 draws huge numbers and Vince later in the year doesn’t want to back out of the deal. Bret doesn’t go to WCW and the Starrcade main event doesn’t have to incorporate elements of the screwjob and Sting goes over clean. I still think we get Mr McMahon character regardless of the screwjob. They were already pulling back the curtain letting everyone know he was the owner and he already tested out the character in USWA a couple years prior.
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Post by The Brain on Aug 29, 2022 7:09:15 GMT -5
It’s weird thinking about the butterfly effect changing that one thing. Maybe HBK/Bret 2 draws huge numbers and Vince later in the year doesn’t want to back out of the deal. Bret doesn’t go to WCW and the Starrcade main event doesn’t have to incorporate elements of the screwjob and Sting goes over clean. I still think we get Mr McMahon character regardless of the screwjob. They were already pulling back the curtain letting everyone know he was the owner and he already tested out the character in USWA a couple years prior. Best time to get the Mr. McMahon character going if the screwjob never happened would be in early 98 with the Tyson/Austin stuff. Have em finally snap and walk out on commentary. Like you said they didnt hide the fact he was owner in that final year of him in the booth.His breaking point with a scathing promo on the fans and Austin wouldve been great TV |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Aug 29, 2022 7:42:57 GMT -5
It’s weird thinking about the butterfly effect changing that one thing. Maybe HBK/Bret 2 draws huge numbers and Vince later in the year doesn’t want to back out of the deal. Bret doesn’t go to WCW and the Starrcade main event doesn’t have to incorporate elements of the screwjob and Sting goes over clean. I still think we get Mr McMahon character regardless of the screwjob. They were already pulling back the curtain letting everyone know he was the owner and he already tested out the character in USWA a couple years prior. Best time to get the Mr. McMahon character going if the screwjob never happened would be in early 98 with the Tyson/Austin stuff. Have em finally snap and walk out on commentary. Like you said they didnt hide the fact he was owner in that final year of him in the booth.His breaking point with a scathing promo on the fans and Austin wouldve been great TV Yeah we never really got full on Mr McMahon until Austin became champ and he was trying to mold him into a more PC corporate champion. I think that trajectory stays the same regardless of the screwjob. |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Aug 29, 2022 9:01:18 GMT -5
So if we get Austin vs Taker then does Stone Cold break the streak before it even becomes a thing? Austin is white hot and is being positioned as their next big star. You can’t really do the double switch angle with Taker where he still looks strong in a loss. I think the only way to get him over in a match against Undertaker is to have him win. You can have some shenanigans with Mankind or Sid or Vader interfering but Austin has to win that match.
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Post by The Brain on Aug 29, 2022 9:28:01 GMT -5
The streak wasnt a thing during that time as he was only 5-0 so him losing wouldnt be a big deal
Have em eat a few stunners and call it a day
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Post by The Brain on Aug 29, 2022 13:03:56 GMT -5
Imagine if we didnt get this....  |
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Post by MKSavage on Aug 29, 2022 13:18:02 GMT -5
Imagine if we didnt get this.... I... I just... I just can't. Such a great feud and a great match. These two together were perfect. |
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Post by machomadness210 on Aug 29, 2022 20:31:29 GMT -5
😂😂 Great topic! Ah, the Heartbreak Kid! Such a massive talent and world-renowned douche bag 🤣
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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 30, 2022 15:03:08 GMT -5
Even if HBK doesn’t loose his smile, who’s to say him and Bret work together? There issues were already at a boiling point. We likely still get Bret/Austin and HBK maybe works with Taker for the belt.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Aug 30, 2022 15:41:34 GMT -5
Even if HBK doesn’t loose his smile, who’s to say him and Bret work together? There issues were already at a boiling point. We likely still get Bret/Austin and HBK maybe works with Taker for the belt. Speculation was that he didn’t want to drop the belt to Bret so he exaggerated his knee injury and forfeited the title. So him not “losing his smile” means that the planned rematch woulda happened. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 30, 2022 18:59:38 GMT -5
Even if HBK doesn’t loose his smile, who’s to say him and Bret work together? There issues were already at a boiling point. We likely still get Bret/Austin and HBK maybe works with Taker for the belt. Speculation was that he didn’t want to drop the belt to Bret so he exaggerated his knee injury and forfeited the title. So him not “losing his smile” means that the planned rematch woulda happened. It’s a well known story, and HBK nixed other potential Bret/HBK matches around that time as well. Even if HBK doesn’t fake his injury I wouldn’t be shocked if they still didn’t work together. |
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