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Post by FLUX '97 on Aug 31, 2022 12:56:48 GMT -5
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Post by fabulous1971 on Aug 31, 2022 15:03:18 GMT -5
Storyline wise or reality wise?
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Post by metsfan85 on Aug 31, 2022 16:04:52 GMT -5
Booker t losing To Triple H after that storyline.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Sept 4, 2022 6:06:05 GMT -5
Not allowing WCW to survive in name and running it like a separate company after WWE bought the assets. (Note... not sure if that would have been possible or not, depends on the purchase contract). Legally it was possible, but realistically: there was nobody qualified to run it successfully as a separate company; there was little chance of it getting a decent TV deal and being profitable; and most of the stars weren't available/feasible until 1-3 years later.
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Post by Evil Abed on Sept 5, 2022 22:00:41 GMT -5
Not allowing WCW to survive in name and running it like a separate company after WWE bought the assets. (Note... not sure if that would have been possible or not, depends on the purchase contract). Legally it was possible, but realistically: there was nobody qualified to run it successfully as a separate company; there was little chance of it getting a decent TV deal and being profitable; and most of the stars weren't available/feasible until 1-3 years later. You have to wonder too how long most of these guys had left anyways? Goldberg/Booker T sure, maybe Scott Steiner. But Savage, Hogan, Nash, Sting, Flair, DDP, Luger, etc... by the time their Time Warner contracts were up they were practically done anyways. WCW was showing its age in 1998/1999. By the time they tried to make stars it was too little too late. I don't think anyone was chomping at the opportunity to put WCW back on TV with Jeff Jarrett, Mike Awesome, Ernest Miller, & Dustin Rhodes as your marquee stars.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Sept 6, 2022 7:59:58 GMT -5
Legally it was possible, but realistically: there was nobody qualified to run it successfully as a separate company; there was little chance of it getting a decent TV deal and being profitable; and most of the stars weren't available/feasible until 1-3 years later. You have to wonder too how long most of these guys had left anyways? Goldberg/Booker T sure, maybe Scott Steiner. But Savage, Hogan, Nash, Sting, Flair, DDP, Luger, etc... by the time their Time Warner contracts were up they were practically done anyways. WCW was showing its age in 1998/1999. By the time they tried to make stars it was too little too late. I don't think anyone was chomping at the opportunity to put WCW back on TV with Jeff Jarrett, Mike Awesome, Ernest Miller, & Dustin Rhodes as your marquee stars. There were people that were signed all over the place. I believe the three farthest out were Goldberg, Jarrett and Sting. I think Sting being the longest cause they didn’t get to even talk to Sting til that Summer after Goldberg debuted.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Sept 7, 2022 11:35:47 GMT -5
Legally it was possible, but realistically: there was nobody qualified to run it successfully as a separate company; there was little chance of it getting a decent TV deal and being profitable; and most of the stars weren't available/feasible until 1-3 years later. You have to wonder too how long most of these guys had left anyways? Goldberg/Booker T sure, maybe Scott Steiner. But Savage, Hogan, Nash, Sting, Flair, DDP, Luger, etc... by the time their Time Warner contracts were up they were practically done anyways. WCW was showing its age in 1998/1999. By the time they tried to make stars it was too little too late. I don't think anyone was chomping at the opportunity to put WCW back on TV with Jeff Jarrett, Mike Awesome, Ernest Miller, & Dustin Rhodes as your marquee stars. That’s a good point. WCW was a very short term success in part because they packed so many experienced big names onto the roster at the same time, but it wasn’t sustainable for several reasons. Age is one that doesn’t often get brought up, but you’re right. I can’t even imagine the roster if WCW had survived until, say, 2005. Booker T vs Chuck Palumbo in the main event of Starrcade?
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Post by fabulous1971 on Sept 7, 2022 12:20:29 GMT -5
lol media scrum
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Post by Angusdacat on Sept 7, 2022 13:20:27 GMT -5
Booker t losing To Triple H after that storyline. This might be my number #1. No one remembers it anymore, and it would have never hurt Triple H, but it effectively ended Booker T's career.
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Post by stratusfaction23 on Sept 7, 2022 16:46:53 GMT -5
Sting not signing with WWE when he was younger, when he finally did he was way over the hill.
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 7, 2022 17:43:10 GMT -5
1) Turning Austin heel at WM17. Nobody wanted it & it absolutely bombed. Then they did it all over again at Invasion. Absolutely atrocious booking. The Two Man Power Trip were more over than the entire babyface roster aside from Taker. Jim Ross sums this period up perfectly on his podcast relating to the PPVs of the time.
2) Breaking Takers streak and letting Lesnar be the one to do it. Ive zero gripe with Lesnar but god almighty it didn't do a thing for him. He was already a beast. Credit to Lesnar for following him to the Hospital too that night.
3) The booking of 1st undisputed champ Jericho as a side player going into WM18. Absolutely dire....no wonder people didnt give a f**k about the match or HHHs win. They can blame Rock/Hogan all they want but weeks of Jericho looking like a helpless chump on TV wrecked this one.
4) Not keeping Punk off TV for longer in 2011 when he left with the belt. They had a great shot at something really special here but blew it & hot-shotted the angle.
On a side note I see Warrior in 96 getting a mention. Now I can totally see why they brought him in? But why Vince went ahead with it when the meetings beforehand were apparently huge red flags is a head scratcher. Prichard, Ross & Cornette cant all be lying about his difficult negotiations & ludicrous demands.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 22:53:23 GMT -5
I cannot think of a better answer that Warrior 96. The amount of red flags, the amount of $$ invested, and how big it flopped. Man, what a train wreck.
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 7, 2022 23:44:43 GMT -5
Sting not signing with WWE when he was younger, when he finally did he was way over the hill. Agreed..I really wish he had came in around 2010 even to face the newly rebuilt monster Kane.
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Post by MKSavage on Sept 8, 2022 8:22:46 GMT -5
1) Turning Austin heel at WM17. Nobody wanted it & it absolutely bombed. Then they did it all over again at Invasion. Absolutely atrocious booking. The Two Man Power Trip were more over than the entire babyface roster aside from Taker. Jim Ross sums this period up perfectly on his podcast relating to the PPVs of the time.2) Breaking Takers streak and letting Lesnar be the one to do it. Ive zero gripe with Lesnar but god almighty it didn't do a thing for him. He was already a beast. Credit to Lesnar for following him to the Hospital too that night. 3) The booking of 1st undisputed champ Jericho as a side player going into WM18. Absolutely dire....no wonder people didnt give a f**k about the match or HHHs win. They can blame Rock/Hogan all they want but weeks of Jericho looking like a helpless chump on TV wrecked this one. 4) Not keeping Punk off TV for longer in 2011 when he left with the belt. They had a great shot at something really special here but blew it & hot-shotted the angle. On a side note I see Warrior in 96 getting a mention. Now I can totally see why they brought him in? But why Vince went ahead with it when the meetings beforehand were apparently huge red flags is a head scratcher. Prichard, Ross & Cornette cant all be lying about his difficult negotiations & ludicrous demands. These are all good choices, but #1 has to be it. No one wanted to boo Austin, and they damn sure didn't want to see him aligned with Vince. I'm not sure if they knew at this time that they were going to purchase WCW, but had they known that, and that they were eventually going to have to split the rosters (one roster for Raw and one for Smackdown), I don't think they would have done it. With the roster splits, they would have had two major stars headlining each show; Austin for Raw and Rock for Smackdown.
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Post by ℍ𝕒𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕠 𝕂𝕚𝕝𝕝 on Sept 8, 2022 8:40:37 GMT -5
3 hour RAW truly is the worst idea I can think of. It played a big hand in WWE's shift in how they did business. Ratings were almost completely out the door and the product fell off tremendously and really hasn't picked up since in an engagement aspect.
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 8, 2022 10:23:50 GMT -5
3 hour RAW truly is the worst idea I can think of. It played a big hand in WWE's shift in how they did business. Ratings were almost completely out the door and the product fell off tremendously and really hasn't picked up since in an engagement aspect. That's actually a very clever shout. It had a huge impact.
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Post by rKoNomad316 on Sept 8, 2022 12:37:19 GMT -5
Unmasking Kane. Then seeing his face wasn’t all messed up. Then putting the mask back on with such ugly mask styles & ring attire. The worst style of mask was what he worse when he teamed up with Daniel Bryan & he would also wear what looked like a welding helmet to the ring. SMH.
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Post by k5 on Sept 8, 2022 12:42:41 GMT -5
Unmasking Kane. Then seeing his face wasn’t all messed up. Then putting the mask back on with such ugly mask styles & ring attire. The worst style of mask was what he worse when he teamed up with Daniel Bryan & he would also wear what looked like a welding helmet to the ring. SMH. 100%, the unmasked era and subsequent remasking was brutal
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Post by rKoNomad316 on Sept 8, 2022 12:48:37 GMT -5
Unmasking Kane. Then seeing his face wasn’t all messed up. Then putting the mask back on with such ugly mask styles & ring attire. The worst style of mask was what he worse when he teamed up with Daniel Bryan & he would also wear what looked like a welding helmet to the ring. SMH. 100%, the unmasked era and subsequent remasking was brutal The magic of the Big Red Machine was over. It was a downgrade version of Kane.
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Post by RuthlessFigs on Sept 8, 2022 20:05:19 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels walking out the entrance at Survivor Series 2002 in THAT.
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