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Post by jason88cubs on Sept 4, 2022 16:56:40 GMT -5
He had 10 world title matches in his career
8 WWF 2 WCW
and in all 10 of those matches he never walked away with the title
Wow
That's gotta be a record I assume?
That many title matches and NOT walking away with the title
Also shows, especially WWF, he was thought higly enough to be a top contender but wasn't thought highly enough to actually win the title
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2022 17:00:56 GMT -5
never viewed him as a world title guy
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Post by K5 on Sept 4, 2022 17:04:17 GMT -5
I think closest he got was 93 wcw, I could’ve seen him taking Vader down and he was a big name there.
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Post by The Brain on Sept 4, 2022 17:20:07 GMT -5
His drug issues being the main reason why. Look no further than the brief IC run in 92.No way was Vince putting the big strap on em after that whole ordeal
Shame as him winning it from HBK briefly in 96 wouldve been great. I enjoyed em as a heel during this era
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 4, 2022 19:05:13 GMT -5
DBS messed the bed with Vince at SSlam 1992. His title aspirations were gone after that....1st opportunity after that to get the strap off him it was done.
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Post by dixol on Sept 4, 2022 22:29:51 GMT -5
He didn’t mess anything at SSlam 92. It was planned well in advance that he would have a short run and then drop it to Shawn in the fall. Bret details all of this in his book.
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Post by MKSavage on Sept 5, 2022 15:09:22 GMT -5
He didn’t mess anything at SSlam 92. It was planned well in advance that he would have a short run and then drop it to Shawn in the fall. Bret details all of this in his book. I think what people may mean by him messing up at summer slam is that he was finally given the run with the belt, and on the night before he was going to win it, he went out all night and did drugs. Instead of staying in his right mind, he did drugs; if it weren't for Bret, the match wouldn't have been good. Instead of coming out of the match looking good, he looked like someone that couldn't be trusted in big moments; while Bret as the losing wrestler, came off looking like a guy to be trusted. |
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Post by celflessness on Sept 5, 2022 15:27:20 GMT -5
The World Title wasn't a participation trophy back then, or the town bike. I'm sure if you go back a few years earlier than Davey Boy there are plenty of guys who repeatedly challenged for the WWF Title and never won it. Particularly the heels challenging Hogan. Or are we just talking about televised matches?
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Post by jason88cubs on Sept 5, 2022 16:10:35 GMT -5
The World Title wasn't a participation trophy back then, or the town bike. I'm sure if you go back a few years earlier than Davey Boy there are plenty of guys who repeatedly challenged for the WWF Title and never won it. Particularly the heels challenging Hogan. Or are we just talking about televised matches? televised matches |
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 5, 2022 18:20:08 GMT -5
He didn’t mess anything at SSlam 92. It was planned well in advance that he would have a short run and then drop it to Shawn in the fall. Bret details all of this in his book. I think what people may mean by him messing up at summer slam is that he was finally given the run with the belt, and on the night before he was going to win it, he went out all night and did drugs. Instead of staying in his right mind, he did drugs; if it weren't for Bret, the match wouldn't have been good. Instead of coming out of the match looking good, he looked like someone that couldn't be trusted in big moments; while Bret as the losing wrestler, came off looking like a guy to be trusted. Bingo. Also I don't buy the short reign thing for one second never have & never will.....so Vince relegates Warrior vs Savage to the middle(this is 1992 remember) gives DBS the big win in his home country on PPV in the final match......only for him to lose it clean and look like a complete fool a few months after to HBK? Nah. |
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Post by MKSavage on Sept 5, 2022 19:21:29 GMT -5
I think what people may mean by him messing up at summer slam is that he was finally given the run with the belt, and on the night before he was going to win it, he went out all night and did drugs. Instead of staying in his right mind, he did drugs; if it weren't for Bret, the match wouldn't have been good. Instead of coming out of the match looking good, he looked like someone that couldn't be trusted in big moments; while Bret as the losing wrestler, came off looking like a guy to be trusted. Bingo. Also I don't buy the short reign thing for one second never have & never will.....so Vince relegates Warrior vs Savage to the middle(this is 1992 remember) gives DBS the big win in his home country on PPV in the final match......only for him to lose it clean and look like a complete fool a few months after to HBK? Nah. Yeah, I'm not sure about the timeframe. Once it was announced that Summer Slam was going to be in England, at Wembley Stadium, the IC match was switched from Bret/Shawn to Bret/Davey. After winning the IC Title, the end result was for Davey Boy to always drop it to Shawn, though, I have never heard that it was to be so soon after Summer Slam. The original IC match at Survivor Series was supposed to be Davey Boy vs. the Mountie; I assume this was to give Davey Boy a big win at his first PPV. If Davey Boy was going to face the Mountie at Survivor Series for the IC title, then it would appear that Bulldog was going to hold onto the IC title until RR93, at least. Also, the original plan was for Flair to still have the WWF Title at Survivor Series. I believe Bret and Shawn were just going to have a match at the PPV to end their feud.   My guess is plans were changed in September/early October. it has also been rumored that Vince was souring on Flair, Savage and Davey Boy at this time. It has also been mentioned that Vince did not like the match between Macho and Flair when Flair won the title back (both Razor and Bret have commented on this), apparently Vince was very angry with the whole thing. Then, Flair gets the inner ear injury which caused him to have equilibrium issues, forcing the WWF to do a quick title change. I believe this was also when Vince decided it was time to change things and go younger. As for the IC Title situation, Vince was upset that at the biggest moment of his career, Davey chose not to be in his right mind by going out all night and doing drugs. My guess would be that this was most likely when Vince decided to make the change, and he was probably waiting for the first big, televised event to do so, which ended up being Saturday Night's Main Event in October. |
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 5, 2022 20:33:04 GMT -5
Bingo. Also I don't buy the short reign thing for one second never have & never will.....so Vince relegates Warrior vs Savage to the middle(this is 1992 remember) gives DBS the big win in his home country on PPV in the final match......only for him to lose it clean and look like a complete fool a few months after to HBK? Nah. Yeah, I'm not sure about the timeframe. Once it was announced that Summer Slam was going to be in England, at Wembley Stadium, the IC match was switched from Bret/Shawn to Bret/Davey. After winning the IC Title, the end result was for Davey Boy to always drop it to Shawn, though, I have never heard that it was to be so soon after Summer Slam. The original IC match at Survivor Series was supposed to be Davey Boy vs. the Mountie; I assume this was to give Davey Boy a big win at his first PPV. If Davey Boy was going to face the Mountie at Survivor Series for the IC title, then it would appear that Bulldog was going to hold onto the IC title until RR93, at least. Also, the original plan was for Flair to still have the WWF Title at Survivor Series. I believe Bret and Shawn were just going to have a match at the PPV to end their feud. My guess is plans were changed in September/early October. it has also been rumored that Vince was souring on Flair, Savage and Davey Boy at this time. It has also been mentioned that Vince did not like the match between Macho and Flair when Flair won the title back (both Razor and Bret have commented on this), apparently Vince was very angry with the whole thing. Then, Flair gets the inner ear injury which caused him to have equilibrium issues, forcing the WWF to do a quick title change. I believe this was also when Vince decided it was time to change things and go younger. As for the IC Title situation, Vince was upset that at the biggest moment of his career, Davey chose not to be in his right mind by going out all night and doing drugs. My guess would be that this was most likely when Vince decided to make the change, and he was probably waiting for the first big, televised event to do so, which ended up being Saturday Night's Main Event in October. There ya go...sounds about right. Mountie match disproves the short reign theory straight away. there was Christmas poster shoot taken featuring all the top faces....Bret, Davey, UT, Macho/ Warrior in their matching garb....and Davey had the IC strap over his shoulder (i think..not sure). Ive seen the poster and often focus on it because Warrior & Davey were out the door soon after |
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Post by dixol on Sept 5, 2022 20:42:36 GMT -5
 The original plan was for Bret to lose the belt to Shawn at SSlam. This was told to Bret by Vince before Wrestlemania 8. The only reason Davey got the belt was because Bret convinced Vince that he would get a big pop at SSlam. Then Davey would have a short run and drop it to Shawn. Everyone can believe what they want but the truth from the person involved is right there. |
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Post by The Brain on Sept 5, 2022 21:00:55 GMT -5
Bingo. Also I don't buy the short reign thing for one second never have & never will.....so Vince relegates Warrior vs Savage to the middle(this is 1992 remember) gives DBS the big win in his home country on PPV in the final match......only for him to lose it clean and look like a complete fool a few months after to HBK? Nah. Yeah, I'm not sure about the timeframe. Once it was announced that Summer Slam was going to be in England, at Wembley Stadium, the IC match was switched from Bret/Shawn to Bret/Davey. After winning the IC Title, the end result was for Davey Boy to always drop it to Shawn, though, I have never heard that it was to be so soon after Summer Slam. The original IC match at Survivor Series was supposed to be Davey Boy vs. the Mountie; I assume this was to give Davey Boy a big win at his first PPV. If Davey Boy was going to face the Mountie at Survivor Series for the IC title, then it would appear that Bulldog was going to hold onto the IC title until RR93, at least. Also, the original plan was for Flair to still have the WWF Title at Survivor Series. I believe Bret and Shawn were just going to have a match at the PPV to end their feud. My guess is plans were changed in September/early October. it has also been rumored that Vince was souring on Flair, Savage and Davey Boy at this time. It has also been mentioned that Vince did not like the match between Macho and Flair when Flair won the title back (both Razor and Bret have commented on this), apparently Vince was very angry with the whole thing. Then, Flair gets the inner ear injury which caused him to have equilibrium issues, forcing the WWF to do a quick title change. I believe this was also when Vince decided it was time to change things and go younger. As for the IC Title situation, Vince was upset that at the biggest moment of his career, Davey chose not to be in his right mind by going out all night and doing drugs. My guess would be that this was most likely when Vince decided to make the change, and he was probably waiting for the first big, televised event to do so, which ended up being Saturday Night's Main Event in October. Mountie as the challenger for the IC belt was random as hell considering he did nothing of note following his loss at the Rumble.By the Fall he was being phased out so this was definitely an odd choice Hell it shouldve been Berzerker considering they axed his match at Mania with em  |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 5, 2022 22:24:30 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that's a record being in the mid 80s, Hogan was beating guys like Orndorff, Adonis, Hercules, Kamala, Bundy, Studd, Valentine, Beefcake, etc. on house shows daily back then.
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Post by MKSavage on Sept 5, 2022 22:28:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not sure about the timeframe. Once it was announced that Summer Slam was going to be in England, at Wembley Stadium, the IC match was switched from Bret/Shawn to Bret/Davey. After winning the IC Title, the end result was for Davey Boy to always drop it to Shawn, though, I have never heard that it was to be so soon after Summer Slam. The original IC match at Survivor Series was supposed to be Davey Boy vs. the Mountie; I assume this was to give Davey Boy a big win at his first PPV. If Davey Boy was going to face the Mountie at Survivor Series for the IC title, then it would appear that Bulldog was going to hold onto the IC title until RR93, at least. Also, the original plan was for Flair to still have the WWF Title at Survivor Series. I believe Bret and Shawn were just going to have a match at the PPV to end their feud. My guess is plans were changed in September/early October. it has also been rumored that Vince was souring on Flair, Savage and Davey Boy at this time. It has also been mentioned that Vince did not like the match between Macho and Flair when Flair won the title back (both Razor and Bret have commented on this), apparently Vince was very angry with the whole thing. Then, Flair gets the inner ear injury which caused him to have equilibrium issues, forcing the WWF to do a quick title change. I believe this was also when Vince decided it was time to change things and go younger. As for the IC Title situation, Vince was upset that at the biggest moment of his career, Davey chose not to be in his right mind by going out all night and doing drugs. My guess would be that this was most likely when Vince decided to make the change, and he was probably waiting for the first big, televised event to do so, which ended up being Saturday Night's Main Event in October. Mountie as the challenger for the IC belt was random as hell considering he did nothing of note following his loss at the Rumble.By the Fall he was being phased out so this was definitely an odd choice Hell it shouldve been Berzerker considering they axed his match at Mania with em The Mountie was working with Sgt. Slaughter in the Summer. I can't remember, but didn't he shock Sarge with the new, bigger shock stick. Also, I think putting Mountie in the match with Davey might have been so they could also say Davey beat a former IC champion, making him look stronger. |
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Post by The Brain on Sept 5, 2022 22:40:57 GMT -5
Yeah he shocked em during a Sarge/Flair match. They cut promos on each other but in the end the feud just faded pretty fast
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 5, 2022 22:52:58 GMT -5
The original plan was for Bret to lose the belt to Shawn at SSlam. This was told to Bret by Vince before Wrestlemania 8. The only reason Davey got the belt was because Bret convinced Vince that he would get a big pop at SSlam. Then Davey would have a short run and drop it to Shawn. Everyone can believe what they want but the truth from the person involved is right there. Bret doesnt remember a lot of things right chief....he admits that himself. The graphic with the Mountie says he was gonna hold it until after SSeries 92 at least....... |
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Post by The Brain on Sept 5, 2022 23:03:27 GMT -5
In a perfect world Davey would hold on to it until the Rumble where he drops it to HBK there. Then they can bring back Marty for the Rockers implosion at Mania IX
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Post by dixol on Sept 6, 2022 1:23:03 GMT -5
The original plan was for Bret to lose the belt to Shawn at SSlam. This was told to Bret by Vince before Wrestlemania 8. The only reason Davey got the belt was because Bret convinced Vince that he would get a big pop at SSlam. Then Davey would have a short run and drop it to Shawn. Everyone can believe what they want but the truth from the person involved is right there. Bret doesnt remember a lot of things right chief....he admits that himself. The graphic with the Mountie says he was gonna hold it until after SSeries 92 at least....... Bret had a tape recorder and made audio diaries of everything that happened from the time he started in WWF in 84 until the end of his career. He made tape recordings while everything was happening and fresh in his mind. He used those tapes to write his book. I know this has shattered your perception and you won’t change your mind, but it’s the truth. If anything, for the way Bret compiled his career on tape and used it to write his book, if you’ve never read it, I recommend it. It’s one of the best wrestling books ever written, chief. |
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