TheEvilDoink1987
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Sept 20, 2022 19:56:00 GMT -5
With his back up against a wall and their featured PPV match in jeopardy, the check that Vince had to cut for Perfect to sway him to opt out of his Lloyds of London policy must have been enormous.
They were lucky to kind of have a solid backup plan like that, but what was another option at that time if Perfect legitimately couldn't go? The amount of top level stars during that time was very thin.
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Post by The Brain on Sept 20, 2022 19:59:31 GMT -5
With his back up against a wall and their featured PPV match in jeopardy, the check that Vince had to cut for Perfect to sway him to opt out of his Lloyds of London policy must have been enormous. They were lucky to kind of have a solid backup plan like that, but what was another option at that time if Perfect legitimately couldn't go? The amount of top level stars during that time was very thin. One option could be Crush. He was over during that time so it couldve been a good rub if he teamed with his good friend in Mach
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Sept 20, 2022 21:55:19 GMT -5
I doubt that they were a long-term idea, but had Warrior stayed, I believe that Savage would have helped him regain the title as a way of getting revenge on Flair for the ongoing attacks on Savage's leg. Warrior likely would have gotten Lex's role in '93 as well.
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Post by Warriah' on Sept 21, 2022 6:08:24 GMT -5
With his back up against a wall and their featured PPV match in jeopardy, the check that Vince had to cut for Perfect to sway him to opt out of his Lloyds of London policy must have been enormous. They were lucky to kind of have a solid backup plan like that, but what was another option at that time if Perfect legitimately couldn't go? The amount of top level stars during that time was very thin. With Hogan gone, maybe they could have swayed Sid to come back? He wasn't in WCW until mid 93.
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Post by hbkjason on Sept 21, 2022 7:25:48 GMT -5
With his back up against a wall and their featured PPV match in jeopardy, the check that Vince had to cut for Perfect to sway him to opt out of his Lloyds of London policy must have been enormous. They were lucky to kind of have a solid backup plan like that, but what was another option at that time if Perfect legitimately couldn't go? The amount of top level stars during that time was very thin. One option could be Crush. He was over during that time so it couldve been a good rub if he teamed with his good friend in Mach Crush would have been a great idea! Crush was over as hell in 92 and while his feud with Doink is very memorable, it pretty much killed his momentum. A run with Savage in late 92 could have taken him to that next level
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TheEvilDoink1987
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Sept 21, 2022 12:01:20 GMT -5
One option could be Crush. He was over during that time so it couldve been a good rub if he teamed with his good friend in Mach Crush would have been a great idea! Crush was over as hell in 92 and while his feud with Doink is very memorable, it pretty much killed his momentum. A run with Savage in late 92 could have taken him to that next level That definitely isn't the worst idea and would have propelled Crush higher up the card than he ever actually get. Even as a Doink guy, Crush was done after that feud. He lost all of his momentum. Doink took him out of the Rumble, beat him at WrestleMania and then cost him the Intercontinental title at King of the Ring. Totally buried Crush.
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Post by The Brain on Sept 21, 2022 12:08:24 GMT -5
Plus it wouldve added another layer to their feud a year later. Teaming up at SSeries 92 to bitter rivals at SSeries 93
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Sept 21, 2022 14:47:20 GMT -5
Plus it wouldve added another layer to their feud a year later. Teaming up at SSeries 92 to bitter rivals at SSeries 93 For years I've joked with my brother that we should watch the famous "Savage/Crush Summit" on Raw as they called it and take a shot every time Crush says "braddah." Probably the most efficient way to get blackout wasted in about three minutes.
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Post by saintegenevieve on Nov 11, 2022 18:19:52 GMT -5
I got the 30th anniversary SummerSlam Blu Ray a couple of weeks back and it really is fantastic. It led me to watching some episodes of Superstars that followed it and it brought me right back to being a kid and how excited I was for the shortlived Ultimate Maniacs team. I loved both guys and thought that they were a ton of fun, but how far could this team have actually gone? Once the thing with Razor Ramon and Ric Flair was done, what would have been left? Would they have gone after the tag team titles, feuded with someone like Money Inc or even the Steiners. Would the Ultimate Maniacs have caused Vince to never even think about having Hogan and Beefcake as the Mega Maniacs at WrestleMania IX. No matter what, I do not think the Ultimate Maniacs would have lasted long with Warrior's ego at the time, but it is pretty interesting to think about how far this team could have gone. I would love to hear how you guys think the Ultimat Maniacs could have played out in late 92 and in 93. Short answer: nowhere. I think McMahon was trying to get one more Pay Per View out of Warrior, then fire him. He was failing drug tests throughout 1992. He couldn't afford that liability. Savage then got relegated to commentary. Other possibilities. Could Warrior have turned heel? I don't see how. He never worked heel before or since. Was Savage going to do so? Maybe but it wouldn't have made any sense. He was getting older and there was nothing to gain from that. Hogan was always going to return because he was a unique draw. No other wrestler had a fan base that could rival his own. The problem was that Hogan didn't want to work live events. They could have him (and did so) tour Europe but that really fix the endemic issues within that company. Had Warrior stayed, he likely would have feuded with Nailz in gimmick matches. I think McMahon saw more to gain from him than from Bret Hart up to a point. So we would have seen Warrior versus Yokozuna, Savage putting over Warrior on color commentary as a great guy who can move the Empire State Building through his feats of strength
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Post by saintegenevieve on Nov 11, 2022 18:36:05 GMT -5
From what we know Bret vs. Warrior was scheduled for Royal Rumble and Bret vs. Macho was scheduled for Wrestlemania 9. It's possible that they would have disbanded after the Survivor Series blowout. It's possible they'd have been tentatively kept together and ended up blowing out for another match in the Summer of 93? I think the entire scenario here is absurd. What's the origin of that story? I first heard it from Scott Keith. Let's think about this. First, McMahon would not have wanted a babyface match to headline 1993. Savage and Warrior was plausible since they used Flair as the instigator. It's a kind of heat by way of deception. Otherwise, McMahon would not have wanted a face match because those divide the fan base and they don't draw. Warrior and Hogan did not draw money and the view was that Warrior's winning only served do upset Hogan fans who then never got behind him. The plan was always to establish Razor Ramon as credible. Having Warrior against Hart risked sabotaging Hart. In the event of a no decision, Bret would have looked inferior for one who badly needed a credible victory. Warrior could have done a job, but Hart gets heat for that. I think Warrior would have had a feud with Nailz but the company was going to hit a creative impasse with him. Warrior's strength was in having really good to great freak show matches. By 1993, there was no longer a roster that could suit him in the post-steroid era. Maybe a feud with the Giant Gonzalez but would McMahon really have wanted that? Warrior could sell but I don't see any point to this feud unless Giant Gonzalez was creatively exhausted after a feud with the Undertaker, only for Warrior to squash him later. Warrior was drawing as well as the rest of them in the post-Hogan era. That's no fault of his as much as Hulk Hogan was that special of an attraction. No one could follow that act. The question then becomes, on top of his HGH use, whether Warrior was worth keeping around? Probably not I also don't think Warrior's heart was into it after his 1991 sacking. I think, despite the character assassin job done by a lot of jealous wrestlers, that Warrior was a really passable to good worker from 1989-1991. I've seen a lot worse, whether it's a plodding Crush or a routine worker like Charles Wright. Warrior bumped, he had fire, he sold very well. A lot of the resentment towards him, besides the toxic WWF machine waging a propaganda war against him, is that he got rich, then left the cult-like industry. Warrior lost a lot of his mystique without steroids. I think Papa Shango was a good feud on paper except Shango couldn't work. I think Warrior was less in tune with his character by 1992 without the drugs. I think he was legitimately heartbroken, justified or not, when McMahon fired him. I think he took the money and went through the motions. Sad though. He's probably my favorite wrestler of all time. I think Hulk Hogan was a much more varied and complete worker, and Warrior was much more limited. Warrior did awesome freak show matches though. By the end of 1992, I think WWF had no idea what to do with him
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Post by rob29 on Dec 1, 2022 18:43:16 GMT -5
It wouldnt have amounted to much, as Warrior was fired in late 1992 for drug use....... the team was destined to be short lived
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Post by koreygunz on Dec 2, 2022 9:26:58 GMT -5
Let's assume Warrior doesn't get busted for steroids...
Scott Hall has said in shoots that the plan at Survivor Series was for him to "break" Machos leg and send him into commentary. However, Bruce Prichard said on his pod last week that he doesn't remember ever hearing that as creative.
I'd theorize original plans were for a warrior/nailz feud in the winter. I think if Warrior hadn't been fired, Nailz probably beats Bossman at SVS.
I think Razor does put Macho out of action which builds him even more for the title match with Bret at Rumble.
By the time WM9 rolls around, MAYBE we see Warrior and Macho take the place of Hogan and Beefcake against Money Inc for the tag titles. Or Macho simply continues in his commentary role as he did, and Warrior is used in the "attraction" spot. Maybe he jobs to Yoko to build him up? Maybe a feud with Luger?
Regardless, the two of them as a unit didn't look to last past SVS in my opinion.
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Post by rob29 on Dec 2, 2022 18:41:37 GMT -5
Say for example, Warrior wasn't fired, I think the absolute best we could have hoped for is Warrior and Savage having an argument during the 1993 rumble match, leading to the 2 meeting at wrestlemania 9 in 1993.
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Post by JokerFC on Dec 5, 2022 13:59:43 GMT -5
Let's assume Warrior doesn't get busted for steroids... Scott Hall has said in shoots that the plan at Survivor Series was for him to "break" Machos leg and send him into commentary. However, Bruce Prichard said on his pod last week that he doesn't remember ever hearing that as creative. I'd theorize original plans were for a warrior/nailz feud in the winter. I think if Warrior hadn't been fired, Nailz probably beats Bossman at SVS. I think Razor does put Macho out of action which builds him even more for the title match with Bret at Rumble. By the time WM9 rolls around, MAYBE we see Warrior and Macho take the place of Hogan and Beefcake against Money Inc for the tag titles. Or Macho simply continues in his commentary role as he did, and Warrior is used in the "attraction" spot. Maybe he jobs to Yoko to build him up? Maybe a feud with Luger? Regardless, the two of them as a unit didn't look to last past SVS in my opinion. When it comes to Savage I find Bruce very unreliable. He changed his story about why Savage went into commentary more times than I can remember....
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