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Post by hitmancmedge on Oct 24, 2022 12:07:14 GMT -5
Grapsody podcast guys (They tend to have pretty accurate info, but of course grain of salt as always) confirmed that Punk, Hanger, Megha, Bucks and TK all had a meeting after Hangers first promo that pissed Punk off. (Omega was at home injured at this point) Which, is very interesting considering Punks little receipt when he got back from injury. Still think it's insane Punk was such a baby about that promo when Kingston and MJF did the same thing except more obvious. Barely anyone knew what Hangman's promo was about the general discourse was that it was just kind of a crap promo lol. That’s what Alvarez said after the promo, like it didn’t hit him as anything imparticular and he heard like days after it that Punk was super pissed off about it. He took it as Hangman saying Punk just walked into this company and was gonna take the title.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 12:23:43 GMT -5
I really just thought it was a bad attempt by Hangman to turn heel. Like it came off like Cody's solving racism promo where it just kinda sucked and was funny to laugh about.
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Post by shenmue on Oct 24, 2022 15:23:21 GMT -5
It seems pretty clear to me that anything mjf said about punk was agreed upon and hangnan went into business for himself, delivering one of the most confusing, awful and out of place unsuccessful heel turns in history that was ignored the next week.
Punk did well to keep composure in the ring, i thought it was disgraceful from hangman and he deserves everything punk said about him.
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Post by Teddy Bearburg on Oct 24, 2022 16:36:57 GMT -5
It seems pretty clear to me that anything mjf said about punk was agreed upon and hangnan went into business for himself, delivering one of the most confusing, awful and out of place unsuccessful heel turns in history that was ignored the next week. Punk did well to keep composure in the ring, i thought it was disgraceful from hangman and he deserves everything punk said about him. I don't think it was a heel turn. Hangman's character has always been in line with previous actions that he's done. Just because a good guy says something mean about another good guy, doesn't make it a heel turn. I think the term "heel turn" gets thrown around way too much when in reality it was just a good guy talking to another good guy. Good guys can not like other good guys, doesn't make either of them "heel."
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Oct 25, 2022 20:03:55 GMT -5
I like Hangman, he seems like a good and decent human being. He does however seem a little on the not so bright side. He’s also said some dumb stuff online. That said, that promo just seemed to be a poor promo to me. He said nothing that should’ve been taken as a personal affront. When you’re a piece of human waste like BM Punk I can imagine he probably has a lot of people talking crap about him (rightfully so), so he probably sees threats where they don’t exist. He’s supposed to be HELPING the young guys. If he had such a problem he should’ve gone up to Adam and just told him why it was wrong and why he can’t do anything like that again- then go out and make money…you know, like Harley Race would’ve done. Instead he goes and throws a bitch fit that lasts months and months. What a joy of a human. There is one thing that Phil is Best in the World at, and that’s being a locker room cancer. He really doesn’t deserve to get bought out. Leave him to rot, he probably will find a way to injure himself again before the contract would end anyway.
Whether Page was just trying to build heat, whether he was shooting off stupidly, or whether it was a flaccid heel turn attempt is irrelevant, his words were clearly true. Looking back, if that line is what started all of this bs then that’s just pathetic.
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Post by CM Tusk on Oct 25, 2022 20:26:00 GMT -5
I’ll honestly laugh pretty hard if Punk is brought back after he heals.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Oct 26, 2022 9:47:56 GMT -5
I’ll honestly laugh pretty hard if Punk is brought back after he heals. I hope he does. He's much more entertaining than anybody in the Elite.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Oct 26, 2022 22:07:28 GMT -5
More reports are saying now that the Bucks injured Punk's dog during the fight.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2022 22:52:03 GMT -5
The story about the dog definitely some red flags that make me think it's a load of crap.
Edit: As an update, No-longer Messy Room Meltzer has said that the only side that was willing to talk to him the entire time was Punk's side (Which, is very interesting in its own right given he's literally had Kenny on his show), and Dave said, and I quote "No way, and I mean no way that's not the first thing they tell me if". Yes, that's actually the end of his thought here. Yes, he typed this and ended his sentence with if .... Oh Dave... But, his literal forum name after all these years is dave in all lower case.
I'm sure more will come, but basically what he's saying is if Larry was hurt from the brawl, why wouldn't he have known when the only people who would talk were Punk's side needing to garner sympathy for him. Pretty fair point. I'm not necessarily a "dave" guy by any stretch, but it's a fair point and does create a lot of doubt.
Funnily enough, the guy who wrote the report about Larry, and about Punk being afraid of Hangman shooting on him in the match (LOL), was freaking Nick Hausmann. THE JOURNALIST PUNK PICKED OUT OF A CROWD AND WAS TALKING ABOUT SCOTT COLTON TO AT THE PRESSER THAT STARTED THIS WHOLE THING. We really have come full circle now. I had to capitalize that entire sentence because when I read it I hear it in a Bryan Alvarez incredulous shouting voice and it's just funnier that way.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2022 23:30:42 GMT -5
That said, if Larry did get hurt, I'm team not Punk and team not whoever hurt Larry. You hurt my dog I'm swinging too and I'm not hesitating. But still not team Punk cuz that press conference buried the whole company, which is the the reason I don't want him back anyways, not cuz he swung at Matt. If it was just about a backstage fight just bury the hatchet and move forward.
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Post by Teddy Bearburg on Oct 27, 2022 0:18:05 GMT -5
More reports are saying now that the Bucks injured Punk's dog during the fight. Punk's camp has said The Elite kicked the door down. Then backtracked and said they didn't. And are now saying they did in fact and hurt this dog doing so?
What is best for Punk and his side is to just lawyer up. Don't leak stuff to wrestling news sites and stuff like that. Because having public contradictions are not gonna help his case whether he is right or not.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Oct 27, 2022 0:54:31 GMT -5
More reports are saying now that the Bucks injured Punk's dog during the fight. Punk's camp has said The Elite kicked the door down. Then backtracked and said they didn't. And are now saying they did in fact and hurt this dog doing so? What is best for Punk and his side is to just lawyer up. Don't leak stuff to wrestling news sites and stuff like that. Because having public contradictions are not gonna help his case whether he is right or not.
I don't think they meant actually kicking down the door. I assumed they meant they came in aggressively. I find it hard to believe that they went up to the door, knocked, and then entered nicely. Punk's side didn't leak the part about the dog. His side was approached after the rumors came up about the Elite returning soon.
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Post by Teddy Bearburg on Oct 27, 2022 1:26:36 GMT -5
Punk's camp has said The Elite kicked the door down. Then backtracked and said they didn't. And are now saying they did in fact and hurt this dog doing so? What is best for Punk and his side is to just lawyer up. Don't leak stuff to wrestling news sites and stuff like that. Because having public contradictions are not gonna help his case whether he is right or not.
I don't think they meant actually kicking down the door. I assumed they meant they came in aggressively. I find it hard to believe that they went up to the door, knocked, and then entered nicely. Punk's side didn't leak the part about the dog. His side was approached after the rumors came up about the Elite returning soon. That's what I mean. I feel like they shouldn't be giving quotes and statements to wrestling newz sites. Get a lawyer and bring what you have to court if it's this out of hand.
"Wrestling Inc. reached out to CM Punk's camp for a response, and received one. the scrum itself didn't seem like a big deal, and only escalated once Punk's locker room door was kicked in and accidentally hit Punk's dog, Larry, in the face. "
To me that sounds like his camp is saying that they kicked the door in literally and it hit his dog.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2022 9:20:18 GMT -5
No more mess Meltzer said multiple eye witnesses told him the dog thing is a crock. The article already read like a crock to begin with, but still worth noting.
Again, you hit my dog I'm swinging no questions asked. Wouldn't call out Punk for swinging in that situation, but it sounds like a load of b.s.
Trying to defend anything else about Mr. Punk in this situation takes a lot of mental gymnastics. This article saying Punk thought the scrum was no big deal. Lol. If he actually thinks that I'm pretty much out of words for him.
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Post by k5 on Oct 27, 2022 9:52:32 GMT -5
imagine if during the Bret/Shawn real life rivalry one of them just decided to pull a huge bitch fit at a press conference. pretty sure the sunny line towards Bret was far more inflammatory than anything Cowboy did.
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Post by CM Tusk on Oct 27, 2022 10:06:53 GMT -5
The way Dave speaks is so puzzling. Start a sentence, don’t finish it, and then start a brand new sentence saying the same thing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2022 10:10:51 GMT -5
So, just so we are all clear...
This marks the THIRD time Punk's camp changes the story.
But this doesn't explain why, if his dog was injured, he didn't immediately tend to Larry? He opted to start swinging on the Bucks. That's not exactly making Punk look great.
Not to mention the lead up to that-- which was the media scrum. He caused that entirely. Great, we can all blame the tirade on Hangman. However Punk got his little return shot in earlier in the feud with the stupid apology being louder than the offense line. That should have been the end of it. But that's just not the Phil Brooks martyr way.
The tirade at the scrum was wholly unnecessary. This is on him.
This story doesn't pass the smell test.
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Post by sonstuds on Oct 27, 2022 10:25:01 GMT -5
Putting the "Did the Elite knock out Larry's teeth?" thing to the side for a minute, I lol at that same report including Punk thinking the scrum was "no big deal" and being scared Hangman was going to shoot on him during their match.
But back to the dog; if Punk wants the public on his side why wasn't that the very first thing he puts out there?
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Oct 27, 2022 10:49:36 GMT -5
That report is the funniest thing I’ve read today. Hilarious stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2022 11:01:46 GMT -5
That report is the funniest thing I’ve read today. Hilarious stuff. I thought the funniest part of this entire saga was the idea of Matt Jackson and CM Punk in an actual physical confrontation, because my god, I can't think of a lower quality fist fight lol. Like Serpentico vs. Leon Ruff would be a more violent shoot fight... Then I read the line about being afraid Hangman was gonna shoot on him in the match. The headline writes itself. "Previous UFC Fighter fears for personal safety in scripted engagement against former school teacher"
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