saintegenevieve
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Post by saintegenevieve on Dec 6, 2022 16:56:29 GMT -5
I had to Google all of this. Damn, she was last seen in 2016. I never heard about this incident until today, did any news companies pick this up when it happened? Strange. Lol, I don't think so. I remember something about TH being involved in human trafficking. Like, the sky is blue, right? 🤣
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saintegenevieve
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Post by saintegenevieve on Dec 6, 2022 17:02:39 GMT -5
The guy is such a black eye on the Hart name. What a POS he is. Tbh, Teddy Hart IS the Hart Family in sum and substance. Owen Hart was the black sheep. His widow seems like one of the strongest women you could ever know. Bret Hart is neurotic af because he had the burden of carrying that degenerate family on his shoulders. He's screwed up but in a functional way like how good people are who come out of dysfunction. The Hart Family totally sabotaged Martha's case for whatever weird reason they had. Lots of legal docs were forwarded to WWF's legal team after Owen's death. Bret wrote at length about how his siblings bummed from his parents. I remember too when he wrote in the Calgary Sun that he wanted to run Diana over with his car lol
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saintegenevieve
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Post by saintegenevieve on Dec 6, 2022 17:06:47 GMT -5
saintegenevieve, you have to realize that 95% of this board is nothing but children who can't read past the 3rd grade level. they do realize that. that’s the gimmick anyways, total slander about the hart family. as a Canadian I can tell you that the Hart family was indeed royalty here and that predates Bret’s successes in the wwf. Calgary was a big deal. men made their careers out there. why in the hell would Andre bother going out there otherwise Andre would go to prop up the NWA cartel. That was the arrangement. Did the same in Portland. The NWA depended on subsidizing weak territories. Once they couldn't anymore and they still stuck to their old business model of the touring champion, the cartel (whatever remained of it) collapsed on itself. That's at least my Systems Theory about why the NWA fell apart, besides head honchos drinking their own kool-aid that wrestling was real. (See Cornette.) It was almost too easy for McMahon to take over
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Post by saintegenevieve on Dec 6, 2022 17:10:36 GMT -5
saintegenevieve, you have to realize that 95% of this board is nothing but children who can't read past the 3rd grade level. That's irrelevant to me but maybe I work from an anachronism. I came from a hillbilly town where no one talked about anything in depth lest you were a commie. So what I write is always an opportunity for someone to think and to analyze. I lucked out in life in that I met two women from Georgetown. Changed my life. First time I ever heard anything smart. Without them, either it would have taken me much more time to get out of town, or I would have been stuck at a working class socioeconomic level. Nothing wrong with that but my town was rigged to keep money within a few families. Maybe I'm underestimating myself but it just always feels like I survived a near drowning. Got a lot of survivor's guilt
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Post by k5 on Dec 7, 2022 10:55:54 GMT -5
they do realize that. that’s the gimmick anyways, total slander about the hart family. as a Canadian I can tell you that the Hart family was indeed royalty here and that predates Bret’s successes in the wwf. Calgary was a big deal. men made their careers out there. why in the hell would Andre bother going out there otherwise Andre would go to prop up the NWA cartel. That was the arrangement. Did the same in Portland. The NWA depended on subsidizing weak territories. Once they couldn't anymore and they still stuck to their old business model of the touring champion, the cartel (whatever remained of it) collapsed on itself. That's at least my Systems Theory about why the NWA fell apart, besides head honchos drinking their own kool-aid that wrestling was real. (See Cornette.) It was almost too easy for McMahon to take over the NWA fell apart because of McMahon, not because of any of what you said.
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Post by fabulous1971 on Dec 8, 2022 8:47:37 GMT -5
He didn't kill her and I don't think he knows what really happened to her. She was in jail and was released in early hours with a whole bunch of other inmates, she was probably offered a ride with some scumbags and they had their way with a naive girl and fed her to gators in a swamp. Wasn't he in Los Angeles when she was released in Florida?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 19:04:06 GMT -5
saintegenevieve, you have to realize that 95% of this board is nothing but children who can't read past the 3rd grade level. That's irrelevant to me but maybe I work from an anachronism. I came from a hillbilly town where no one talked about anything in depth lest you were a commie. So what I write is always an opportunity for someone to think and to analyze. I lucked out in life in that I met two women from Georgetown. Changed my life. First time I ever heard anything smart. Without them, either it would have taken me much more time to get out of town, or I would have been stuck at a working class socioeconomic level. Nothing wrong with that but my town was rigged to keep money within a few families. Maybe I'm underestimating myself but it just always feels like I survived a near drowning. Got a lot of survivor's guilt deep
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Post by saintegenevieve on Dec 12, 2022 0:22:02 GMT -5
Andre would go to prop up the NWA cartel. That was the arrangement. Did the same in Portland. The NWA depended on subsidizing weak territories. Once they couldn't anymore and they still stuck to their old business model of the touring champion, the cartel (whatever remained of it) collapsed on itself. That's at least my Systems Theory about why the NWA fell apart, besides head honchos drinking their own kool-aid that wrestling was real. (See Cornette.) It was almost too easy for McMahon to take over the NWA fell apart because of McMahon, not because of any of what you said. How does that explain anything? McMahon had access to about 10 media markets of the 50 key markets in the country. There's no casual argument in that. The NWA was more than equipped to fight McMahon. Dallas held out. Memphis did. Portland did. Why did JCP go under? What happened to Florida? Why was GCW bleeding red? Why did Mid South sell out? Like any cartel, it's as strong as it controls the market share. Florida was already going under by the mid-70s, shortly after it was the most powerful member of the cartel. Sam Muchnick was really the political force who held it together. GCW was bleeding money since their style was increasingly out of demand, while Jim Crockett and his boyfriend were embezzling enough to compel the Brisco Brothers to facilitate getting majority share. That was further enabled by incompetent Time Warner attorneys who said that McMahon couldn't command the majority since the shareholders couldn't sell from under Ole Anderson. They did anyway Mid South was one of those companies that could present wrestling as "real" because its audience was uneducated. Cornette depicts an audience willing to fight wrestlers. That's not surprising. The 70s was the peak of crime in America. Drunk people normalized to crime tend to do hooligan things like fighting wrestlers. It's also the decade that has the Weather Underground and a politically-motivated terrorist bombing for a few years in such great number that you could map that to every day that existed in the decade. Add in political assassinations. The scale of violence of the 70s has not been surpassed since. It's also the decade of the most notorious serial killers. It was also a long decade, lasting aesthetically under about 1983. In the end, Jim Ross sold Jim Crockett a bill of goods where he ended up buying their syndicated debt. That's how they ended up $4 million in the hole. It was not a failed Starrcade, which would be moot anyway since the very fact that such an issue existed hints at what kinds of people were running these promotions. You mean to tell me they couldn't run PPV 18 months prior? JCP was another one. You got Flair on top as a heel champion in a decade that favored good guys always winning. That was a radical departure from the grit of the '70s. Crockett ran the most backwards licensing enterprise imaginable. Even Gagne was well ahead of the curve. He got on the PPV bandwagon way late in the game. Like I said earlier, a cartel is only as strong as the market share it commands. By 1987, the NWA all but ceased to exist. It was JCP, and JCP was the NWA. (That led to even weirder things like an "NWA" committee deciding which titles they chose to recognize. That's called being a mark.) McMahon attacked a defensive fortification that was increasingly insular, self-indulgent, anachronistic, void of imagination, all enthralled by their own vanity. Gagne gets a lot of flak, some deserved, some not so much (like Hulk Hogan never getting the belt because he couldn't wrestle, which isn't true at all; Hogan couldn't get it because he was tied to Inoki and Gagne was tied to Baba). Gagne was arguably the most significant McMahon victim. McMahon never succeeded invading the South. I don't think either that McMahon wanted their talent by and large. He did crush Gagne by 1986 The way I would break this down for you is this way. McMahon always had a general staff of outsiders with real degrees, connections, business, and accounting experience. McMahon wasn't a doomed felon, unlike a lot of his rivals who would have been in prison were it not for the wrestling industry. He never minded having a rich staff of outsiders running the office, whether we're talking about attorneys, accountants, media heads, etc. Contrast that with Ole Anderson, who thought that TBS and local media heads shouldn't be on the up and up about wrestling. Crockett was the most significant player by the time McMahon hit his 1987 boom. What kind of staff did Crockett have? Anyone for licensing? Did he have an accountant who ever did more than run his local Charlotte operations? Did he have attorneys and advisers telling him that Jim Ross was playing him? McMahon destroyed an insular fort. They did it to themselves
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Post by k5 on Dec 12, 2022 4:14:36 GMT -5
I’m not reading all of that, I read Ole’s book too and don’t need to see it rewritten by you filled with meaningless conjecture from someone with clearly far too much time on their hands
if your aim was to be the complete opposite, but equally equivalent, troll to the forum that Cody Rhodes diva is then congrats, you took it in spades
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Post by hbkowns on Dec 12, 2022 23:54:49 GMT -5
I don’t think he did it. But he put her in the situation for that to happen by taking her passport. If she never met him she’d still be alive.
He’s a total piece of crap scumbag con-artist.
One of the worst people to get into wrestling. I knew that prior to the documentary but this was just absolutely wild.
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