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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Dec 29, 2022 16:04:52 GMT -5
I was thinking about how over Cody has been in the past year with returning to the WWE and even now with out injured, fans still talk about him and are excited for his return. So I got thinking about the past years since Cody left WWE after they pretty much said, "you're here, you aren't going any higher up than this."
Cody knew his worth and went out and proved it.
He first showed up at TNA/IMPACT after his WWE release. He went to ROH and became ROH Six Man Champion, ROH Champion and even won the IWGP US Championship.
He helped create a wrestling PPV that wasn't a WWE PPV and won the NWA World Title at it, thus checking off another box on the "dream" list of things to do.
With that, he suckered a billionaire into creating a wrestling promotion so he and his friends didn't have to work in Japan or at an indy fed and got to be on TNT and TBS - two places his dad and brother performed on years ago, and got to be seen by a national audience weekly on a cable network.
Cody got himself so over in AEW, that WWE had no choice but to take notice and now Cody comes in, with his theme song, with his American Nightmare name and look, and WWE fully accepted it all.
So with that all being said, is Cody a wrestling genius??
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Post by Warriah' on Dec 29, 2022 16:11:35 GMT -5
Cody's probably the last true wrestling star. Especially one who's not a WWE creation. But he's ridden off of the accolades of his father a lot to get there.
If his last name wasn't Rhodes none of that would have been possible.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2022 16:52:13 GMT -5
He didn’t really prove anything. ROH Champion of a dying company? TNT Champion?
I mean, he never should’ve been released… but the guy isn’t special. Just passionate.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Dec 29, 2022 18:23:23 GMT -5
What I will say about Cody is that he now looks like a star and I respect his passion for the business.
During his original stint the only part of him that stood out was the Rhodes name.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Dec 30, 2022 5:29:47 GMT -5
The disrespect to Lanny Poffo
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Post by Lone Wölf on Dec 30, 2022 8:52:34 GMT -5
My thoughts on Cody
The first time I ever really saw him in any capacity was when he and Dustin inducted Dusty into the HOF. He blew me away with his speech and I remember thinking the guy really had it on the mic but I wasn’t aware he was already training to wrestle.
I remember enjoying his run with Bob Holly.
I thought legacy was a great concept and I always felt Cody was superior to Ted jr and now we all know he is/was.
I loved Dashing and Grotesque Cody. That Mania match with Rey is a real gem of a match that I feel like doesn’t get talked about like it should.
He was pretty dang over in 2012 or 2013 whenever it was when he got a mustache over and the crowd wanted him to win the MITB so bad but they went with Sandow. Then they just proceeded to bury Sandow.
His run with Goldust was great. That tag match where they won the titles is still one of my favorite WWE moments. You could tell how much that meant to Dusty and it’s just a great moment.
The Stardust thing was decent, in theory, but it should’ve been short lived. I don’t blame him for wanting to leave the company and do more. He was a good talker and had the talent in the ring but just couldn’t seem to put it all together.
After he left WWE, he went and did his own thing on the indies and all that. I’ll be honest and say I didn’t follow much of it because I don’t follow very much outside of mainstream American wrestling aside from the big names and the indie darlings.
I loosely followed AEW until Punk’s debut so I didn’t really see much of his matches or stories and just kinda made a slightly uninformed opinion of Cody. I didn’t really like him anymore as I felt like he was just cocky and thought of himself in a very high regard that I personally felt wasn’t warranted.
After the rumors surfaced of him going to WWE earlier this year, I started going back and watching everything Cody did in AEW. For the longest, he was the most over guy on the show/card. The crowd loved him. He presented himself like a star and he came across as the most “professional” out of the bunch. I understand how and why the crowd turned on him but I firmly believe it helped push him away from AEW.
As soon as his music hit at Mania, paired with that Road Warrior pop and just seeing how much it meant to him to get that reaction… I was instantly a Cody mark. His matches with Rollins were fantastic and now that he’s “home” it just feels right. It feels natural.
Long winded, I know. But I do think Cody is one of the last true stars in wrestling and albeit he probably wouldn’t be where he is without his dad’s last name, the same could be said for numerous wrestlers.
Cody is the man and he should 100% be the face or one of the faces to carry the company for the next few years. He should beat Roman. He deserves the moment and there’s no one or no opinion that will ever change my mind.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 31, 2022 13:18:09 GMT -5
I think genius is a bit strong a word, because he’s clearly an idiot at the same time - look at the weird lies he used to tell when promoting AEW, and booking himself to defeat racism in America by beating a black man from England. But he’s definitely been smart in how he played basically the entire indie scene, and particularly AEW, into portraying him as a star. He spent a decade in WWE failing to get over as anything other than a silly gimmick guy (Dathing, Ugly, Muthtath, Thtardutht etc). Then he got a billionaire’s son to pay for a big superstar entrance every week and let him play a cross between Dusty Rhodes, John Cena and Jesus Christ. To the point where Vince McMahon brought him back as a top guy. Jeff Jarrett is one of the greatest carnies in wrestling history, but he never got himself a spot at the top of WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 14:15:19 GMT -5
I think genius is a bit strong a word, because he’s clearly an idiot at the same time - look at the weird lies he used to tell when promoting AEW, and booking himself to defeat racism in America by beating a black man from England. But he’s definitely been smart in how he played basically the entire indie scene, and particularly AEW, into portraying him as a star. He spent a decade in WWE failing to get over as anything other than a silly gimmick guy (Dathing, Ugly, Muthtath, Thtardutht etc). Then he got a billionaire’s son to pay for a big superstar entrance every week and let him play a cross between Dusty Rhodes, John Cena and Jesus Christ. To the point where Vince McMahon brought him back as a top guy. Jeff Jarrett is one of the greatest carnies in wrestling history, but he never got himself a spot at the top of WWE. Going after the dude for a speech impediment that mirrors his dad's? That's kinda lame.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 14:22:08 GMT -5
Definitely not. I am a huge Cody fan, but the man is a big ol' dummy at times. Booked himself into a corner ignoring TK's advice to not put that stipulation on himself that he could never challenge for the big one. HIAC was a career defining moment for him, but it happened because he gassed up too fast for his body to keep up and ripped his pec right off the bone. He had some great AEW moments, along with some of the absolute worst.
That said, I still love watching the guy, and I'm excited for him to come back.
Also didn't realize revisionist history has already pretended that Cody "tricked TK" into starting a promotion.
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Post by sonstuds on Dec 31, 2022 14:52:16 GMT -5
I dunno, but he deserves kudos and gets my respect for betting on himself and raising his stock. Is my respect worth anything? IMO yes, absolutely.
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Post by CM Tusk on Dec 31, 2022 15:21:12 GMT -5
I mean, he did say that Punk/Bryan/Cole signing with AEW was the biggest thing to happen in pro wrestling since the NWO formed, so not a complete genius.
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Post by TWJT on Dec 31, 2022 16:21:01 GMT -5
I think a lot of this just kind of played out coincidentally, I feel he really wanted AEW to succeed and had everyone's best interests at heart (Tony, fans, the rest of The Elite, etc.). I don't think he played the long game with the goal to go back to WWE. ROH and TNA were waiting to push him because of his talent and lineage, eventually he became part of the Bullet Club/Elite, and was able to turn that into a phenomenon that revolutionized NJPW and ROH. He saw the twitter momentum building up around Dave saying a non-WWE promotion couldn't draw X amount of people; from there, as you mentioned, he won the NWA Title and created an all-star show featuring a ton of promotions. Used the momentum from that to found AEW. But I do think when AEW formed in 2019 he goal was to stay there for years and years. Why did he leave? Don't know. Maybe he saw the modern style of the Bucks and Omega as taking over, and as more of a traditionalist, saw a better opportunity in WWE. Maybe he, over time, became happy with the idea that he helped create a place that could give people jobs and TV time, without believing he had to actually be there in person for it anymore. With heading to WWE, his baby - AEW - lives on, his spirit lives on there. His brother is still there. And in WWE he can work a more traditional style and perhaps become world champ. I think one thing that might hurt Cody is if too many people over time come to the WWE from AEW. It has to be a special thing; lots go TO AEW, very few have gone TO WWE. For now what he did is very, very special.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 31, 2022 17:57:06 GMT -5
I think genius is a bit strong a word, because he’s clearly an idiot at the same time - look at the weird lies he used to tell when promoting AEW, and booking himself to defeat racism in America by beating a black man from England. But he’s definitely been smart in how he played basically the entire indie scene, and particularly AEW, into portraying him as a star. He spent a decade in WWE failing to get over as anything other than a silly gimmick guy (Dathing, Ugly, Muthtath, Thtardutht etc). Then he got a billionaire’s son to pay for a big superstar entrance every week and let him play a cross between Dusty Rhodes, John Cena and Jesus Christ. To the point where Vince McMahon brought him back as a top guy. Jeff Jarrett is one of the greatest carnies in wrestling history, but he never got himself a spot at the top of WWE. Going after the dude for a speech impediment that mirrors his dad's? That's kinda lame. There are kids in the thread accusing him of being on steroids. 😂
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Post by Mongo Bears on Dec 31, 2022 18:47:01 GMT -5
There is only one Genius.. The Genius.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 18:47:50 GMT -5
Going after the dude for a speech impediment that mirrors his dad's? That's kinda lame. There are kids in the thread accusing him of being on steroids. 😂 I was just gonna report you for calling me a kid, but quite frankly this is a good educational opportunity for you so I figured I'd take the opportunity to teach you on the subject. People do not just spontaneously tear their pec straight off the bone. It's incredibly difficult to do. Can it happen drug free? Well sure, anything is possible. But actually tearing a pec from the bone is one of the more common injuries you're going to see in people who take steroids and get bigger really fast. (Bicep tears being the other major one) One of the major risks with anabolic use is that your tendons can't keep up the strength to go along with the significantly bigger muscles and increased strength. Cody put on a solid 20lbs between AEW and WWE. That doesn't happen in a manner of months for someone whose been training drug free for years on end. Hell, that would be a great accomplishment in their first 3-4 years of lifting when the gains are easy. Someone Cody's age whose been lifting for like 20 years? No way in hell that can happen clean. So yeah, combine like 20lbs of muscle growth and a total pec tear? I'm gonna say he's on the sauce. Yeah, I've met/trained with a ton of people who look like they could be and I'd bet my life they aren't. I've also met/trained with people I never would have suspected who are very open about using. It's not that big of a deal that he is, especially in wrestling. But, overwhelming odds are that he is.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Jan 3, 2023 7:01:31 GMT -5
He's the best in the world at what he does
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Post by Weemanv1 on Jan 3, 2023 12:22:53 GMT -5
Going after the dude for a speech impediment that mirrors his dad's? That's kinda lame. There are kids in the thread accusing him of being on steroids. 😂 That doesn't make ableism okay.
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Post by Zincdust on Jan 4, 2023 17:23:18 GMT -5
I had to doublecheck that this thread wasn't a Cody Rhodes Diva special.
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Post by Lone Wölf on Jan 4, 2023 17:49:38 GMT -5
There is/was a twitter account I used to follow years ago and he said JBL saying Cody Rhodes sounded like Coaty Roads and I’ve not forgotten.
Long live Coaty Roads.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2023 6:15:32 GMT -5
There is/was a twitter account I used to follow years ago and he said JBL saying Cody Rhodes sounded like Coaty Roads and I’ve not forgotten. Long live Coaty Roads. I love it Maggle! He's gonna Coaty cut his way to the top of the mountain. (I just hope he's at RAW next week since I'll be there but he won't but I can dream)
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