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Post by nickypconundrum on Jan 9, 2023 21:06:35 GMT -5
I see The Goon ( and other questionable guys) with a figure and no:
Dino Bravo
Butch Reed
Corporal Kierschner (sure I spelled that wrong)
Hercules Hernandez
Bad News Brown
Dynamite Kid
Amongst others
I understand a legends contract issue but man, after this long?
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Post by AxelSmackdown on Jan 9, 2023 21:07:40 GMT -5
it’s up to WWE/the wrestler or their estate, not Mattel’s decision
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Post by Crossfit Jesus on Jan 9, 2023 21:25:46 GMT -5
They’re not moving merch brother
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Post by CM Tusk on Jan 9, 2023 22:09:12 GMT -5
Yes, after this long. Because that’s how it works.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jan 9, 2023 22:48:21 GMT -5
I’m sure Steve and the guys from Mattel have requested those names. And it takes two parties to make a deal. WWE could very well have attempted to sign some of these guys but they or their estate declined for whatever reason.
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Post by kiloinnorcal on Jan 9, 2023 23:03:52 GMT -5
Val Venis?
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Post by AxelSmackdown on Jan 9, 2023 23:23:13 GMT -5
They’re not moving merch brother I am a Mattel American |
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Post by NoseBleedcollectibles on Jan 9, 2023 23:50:33 GMT -5
How bout
Ultimo dragon
Pyscosis
Juvi
La parka
Mortis
I mean masked guys are known to be good sellers no matter who's in the attire
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Post by kgchampion on Jan 10, 2023 0:50:58 GMT -5
Mattel can only make figures of people who are signed under a deal with WWE that allows action figures to be made. Mattel has no control over who that is. The most they can do is request WWE to get specific people under contract. If that doesn’t happen it’s because WWE wasn’t interested in a contract with that person or said person turned down the contract. Or it’s an estate issue and WWE doesn’t know who has ownership of the estate, I guess.
Anyway, Mattel has said this every year for at least a decade.
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Post by stc13 on Jan 10, 2023 9:42:01 GMT -5
I’m sure Steve and the guys from Mattel have requested those names. And it takes two parties to make a deal. WWE could very well have attempted to sign some of these guys but they or their estate declined for whatever reason. It's more likely - at least for those talent listed in the OP - that they just aren't names that move the needle from WWE's perspective. WWE probably has a certain number of Legends slots they're looking to fill in any given year, and those names are going to be used across all licensing/properties - video games, trading cards, figures, and WWE-produced merch. They're also talent who do appearances at things like Axxess. Steve has said that as contracts expire, WWE may look to add new names. But you're probably talking about a handful of slots changing in any given year. There's good reason to give priority to more colorful characters (more marketable, stronger appeal to licensees) or living talent (available to do signings, documentary interviews, etc). There are some wildcards - Irwin and Stevie Ray come to mind - that could be due to nepotism, use for a specific project, etc. There's always a chance they pop up at some point. |
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Post by ℍ𝕒𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕠 𝕂𝕚𝕝𝕝 on Jan 10, 2023 9:43:09 GMT -5
I am really blown away that after all this time, we still have to cover this.
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Post by stc13 on Jan 10, 2023 9:46:22 GMT -5
Mattel can only make figures of people who are signed under a deal with WWE that allows action figures to be made. Mattel has no control over who that is. The most they can do is request WWE to get specific people under contract. If that doesn’t happen it’s because WWE wasn’t interested in a contract with that person or said person turned down the contract. Or it’s an estate issue and WWE doesn’t know who has ownership of the estate, I guess. Anyway, Mattel has said this every year for at least a decade. Not even necessarily not interested. They probably have a budget for X number of Legends deals. And WWE's mainstream tv history goes back close to 40 years now. There are only so many spots to go around, and WWE is going to skew towards the characters who they think will bring the biggest value to their work or their licensing partners. |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jan 10, 2023 10:01:00 GMT -5
I’m sure Steve and the guys from Mattel have requested those names. And it takes two parties to make a deal. WWE could very well have attempted to sign some of these guys but they or their estate declined for whatever reason. It's more likely - at least for those talent listed in the OP - that they just aren't names that move the needle from WWE's perspective. WWE probably has a certain number of Legends slots they're looking to fill in any given year, and those names are going to be used across all licensing/properties - video games, trading cards, figures, and WWE-produced merch. They're also talent who do appearances at things like Axxess. Steve has said that as contracts expire, WWE may look to add new names. But you're probably talking about a handful of slots changing in any given year. There's good reason to give priority to more colorful characters (more marketable, stronger appeal to licensees) or living talent (available to do signings, documentary interviews, etc). There are some wildcards - Irwin and Stevie Ray come to mind - that could be due to nepotism, use for a specific project, etc. There's always a chance they pop up at some point. Yeah names like Bill Irwin, Rocky Johnson, Afa, Sika, Mae Young, Strongbow (before he was pulled), etc shows that no one is off the table other those names we know that are. It’s definitely not one thing why someone isn’t getting a figure. Several factors come into play: How hard is Mattel or other licensees (2K, etc) pushing for a certain wrestler How much ROI does WWE think they’re gonna get How difficult it is to track down a wrestler or their estate The wrestler or estate’s willingness to sign a deal with WWE Are there conflicting deals with other companies Were bridges burned on either side beyond repair |
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Post by newgenandy on Jan 10, 2023 13:02:12 GMT -5
I’m sure Steve and the guys from Mattel have requested those names. And it takes two parties to make a deal. WWE could very well have attempted to sign some of these guys but they or their estate declined for whatever reason. Also I think someone said sometimes (for those who have passed) it’s hard to find out who even has the estate and realistically how much time of effort will they spend for someone who a small subsection of purchasers are interested in. I believe giant gonzales was the example where it was hard to find who has his estate (obv he had a classic but post that) |
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Post by newgenandy on Jan 10, 2023 13:03:58 GMT -5
Mattel can only make figures of people who are signed under a deal with WWE that allows action figures to be made. Mattel has no control over who that is. The most they can do is request WWE to get specific people under contract. If that doesn’t happen it’s because WWE wasn’t interested in a contract with that person or said person turned down the contract. Or it’s an estate issue and WWE doesn’t know who has ownership of the estate, I guess. Anyway, Mattel has said this every year for at least a decade. Not even necessarily not interested. They probably have a budget for X number of Legends deals. And WWE's mainstream tv history goes back close to 40 years now. There are only so many spots to go around, and WWE is going to skew towards the characters who they think will bring the biggest value to their work or their licensing partners. For us it can be boring to see the same names but let’s face it hogan, macho, warrior, HBK, bret etc are going to move more units even though we see lots of their figures v someone like herc (as much as I’d love a herc) |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jan 10, 2023 13:19:22 GMT -5
I’m sure Steve and the guys from Mattel have requested those names. And it takes two parties to make a deal. WWE could very well have attempted to sign some of these guys but they or their estate declined for whatever reason. Also I think someone said sometimes (for those who have passed) it’s hard to find out who even has the estate and realistically how much time of effort will they spend for someone who a small subsection of purchasers are interested in. I believe giant gonzales was the example where it was hard to find who has his estate (obv he had a classic but post that) Yeah I wanna say Padawer said that Gonzalez was hard to track down and weren’t even 100% sure the person they signed with had legal control of his estate. |
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Post by Mongo Bears on Jan 10, 2023 13:20:16 GMT -5
Gimme Buff
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Post by jamesdean28 on Jan 10, 2023 18:10:57 GMT -5
I see The Goon ( and other questionable guys) with a figure and no: Dino Bravo Butch Reed Corporal Kierschner (sure I spelled that wrong) Hercules Hernandez Bad News Brown Dynamite Kid Amongst others I understand a legends contract issue but man, after this long? I would say it’s a combination of numerous factors as some of you guys have mentioned. Trying to find estates and dealing with the legalities is prob the most likely reason, and the trickiest to navigate. Others, like Hercules seem crazy as he was a constant feature of the Golden Era (they mention his consistent PPV run on the OSW podcast), so that is probably down to licensing. Then again, ZST toys have obtained a license I believe so maybe there’s a behind the scenes reason for that one. Toyetic reasons are at play. The Goon is nowhere near the star some of the guys mentioned are, for example, but he makes for a great toy. Dino Bravo wasn’t signed by Jakks either as far as I know, and my hunch with him (among others) is that the unfortunate way he ended his life means he might not be someone Mattel or WWE want to deal with promoting. Side note: I have always wanted a Butch Reed Hasbro since I was a kid so if they do get the licence I would love to see a retro. |
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Jan 10, 2023 21:44:06 GMT -5
We need Gangrel
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Post by jacobl18 on Jan 10, 2023 21:57:14 GMT -5
The biggest issue is WWE making every old timer sign a legends deal in the first place. There’s no reason why Mattel couldn’t ask WWE to sign guys to a action figure only contract.
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