saintegenevieve
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Post by saintegenevieve on Jan 21, 2023 19:51:22 GMT -5
The industry should have a place for every type of character work. The industry now has never been more dogmatic about what a wrestler is supposed to be, all the while losing millions of viewers đ€ It's not like McMahon is being mean-spirited here. Clearly they don't find the comparison an insult. What gets me is if you could do more in theory, why would you want to be Arn and Tully? Tully was a much better character than Arn. Arn was a tough guy, no doubt, but also a career baggage handler. I could think of a dozen teams more marketable than them. If the Revival wants to be a modern Brainbusters, that's cool. That they'd get offended at the comparison, all the while endorsing and affirming such, it points to a larger trend that the industry is filled with marks. www.yahoo.com/entertainment/dax-harwood-vince-mcmahon-said-233041329.html |
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Post by VKM Propagandist on Jan 21, 2023 20:13:14 GMT -5
Everyone says it except you Vince. So who's the one that's wrong. Who's the one that's out of touch. Get out of this company already, senile dinosaur.
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omegaman88
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Post by omegaman88 on Jan 22, 2023 6:13:37 GMT -5
The industry should have a place for every type of character work. The industry now has never been more dogmatic about what a wrestler is supposed to be, all the while losing millions of viewers đ€ It's not like McMahon is being mean-spirited here. Clearly they don't find the comparison an insult. What gets me is if you could do more in theory, why would you want to be Arn and Tully? Tully was a much better character than Arn. Arn was a tough guy, no doubt, but also a career baggage handler. I could think of a dozen teams more marketable than them. If the Revival wants to be a modern Brainbusters, that's cool. That they'd get offended at the comparison, all the while endorsing and affirming such, it points to a larger trend that the industry is filled with marks. www.yahoo.com/entertainment/dax-harwood-vince-mcmahon-said-233041329.htmlWe get your gimmick already, you detest pro wrestling and love you some schlock. |
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Post by K5 on Jan 22, 2023 13:02:31 GMT -5
The industry should have a place for every type of character work. The industry now has never been more dogmatic about what a wrestler is supposed to be, all the while losing millions of viewers đ€ It's not like McMahon is being mean-spirited here. Clearly they don't find the comparison an insult. What gets me is if you could do more in theory, why would you want to be Arn and Tully? Tully was a much better character than Arn. Arn was a tough guy, no doubt, but also a career baggage handler. I could think of a dozen teams more marketable than them. If the Revival wants to be a modern Brainbusters, that's cool. That they'd get offended at the comparison, all the while endorsing and affirming such, it points to a larger trend that the industry is filled with marks. www.yahoo.com/entertainment/dax-harwood-vince-mcmahon-said-233041329.html they werenât offended by the comparison, they were offended that the comparison was given as if it was some form of insult. your gimmick profile sucks and you, as a person, do too for this behaviour. |
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saintegenevieve
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Post by saintegenevieve on Jan 22, 2023 22:33:47 GMT -5
The industry should have a place for every type of character work. The industry now has never been more dogmatic about what a wrestler is supposed to be, all the while losing millions of viewers đ€ It's not like McMahon is being mean-spirited here. Clearly they don't find the comparison an insult. What gets me is if you could do more in theory, why would you want to be Arn and Tully? Tully was a much better character than Arn. Arn was a tough guy, no doubt, but also a career baggage handler. I could think of a dozen teams more marketable than them. If the Revival wants to be a modern Brainbusters, that's cool. That they'd get offended at the comparison, all the while endorsing and affirming such, it points to a larger trend that the industry is filled with marks. www.yahoo.com/entertainment/dax-harwood-vince-mcmahon-said-233041329.html they werenât offended by the comparison, they were offended that the comparison was given as if it was some form of insult. your gimmick profile sucks and you, as a person, do too for this behaviour. God forbid some hyper-conformist nerd culture actually deals with some thought and not a bunch of bar trivia. Not everyone is going to agree with dogma, especially when millions tuned out right at the time when marks got into the industry in droves. "But that work rate tho, I so smâ€t" This shouldn't be complicated, but somehow it is. The wrestling industry has been monopolized by WWE for about 20 years. These guys are approaching 40, meaning it has been so for 90% of their career (assuming that they started at a young age) Let's work this out. It's a game of numbers. Everyone knows or should know what WWE looks for by now. You're expected to have a certain kind of match style, appease different factions, do character work, and they see people as playing roles. Brave it out long enough, then they'll give you a chance to get over (in theory) Doing an Arn & Tully gimmick isn't going to make much money. On the indies, they're pulling what? $100k at best? In Japan, they might make a bit more. No way can Japan afford to pay acts what they used to. AEW is there but it was also subsidized unexpectedly by a billionaire. It's only incidental that they can make more. In no rational world would two guys decide to forsake a half million dollar contract (minimally), with a much larger upside to make $100k on a good year. It's the kind of thing marks like Shane Douglas used to do, back when he was one of the few willing to take an ECW job since he couldn't crack it anywhere else. There's now a lot of these people doing it "for the art" over a construct made up by nerds like Meltzer That's the point. Arn was never especially marketable. Tully had more potential to be so. It's hard to license "wrestlers" without much less going for them. If you're thinking in terms of fantasy tournaments, making "Top 10" lists, dream matches, I'm afraid that you don't get it. That's the point |
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Post by Mr. Tusk on Jan 22, 2023 22:41:56 GMT -5
Oh bother
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saintegenevieve
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Post by saintegenevieve on Jan 22, 2023 22:42:17 GMT -5
The industry should have a place for every type of character work. The industry now has never been more dogmatic about what a wrestler is supposed to be, all the while losing millions of viewers đ€ It's not like McMahon is being mean-spirited here. Clearly they don't find the comparison an insult. What gets me is if you could do more in theory, why would you want to be Arn and Tully? Tully was a much better character than Arn. Arn was a tough guy, no doubt, but also a career baggage handler. I could think of a dozen teams more marketable than them. If the Revival wants to be a modern Brainbusters, that's cool. That they'd get offended at the comparison, all the while endorsing and affirming such, it points to a larger trend that the industry is filled with marks. www.yahoo.com/entertainment/dax-harwood-vince-mcmahon-said-233041329.htmlWe get your gimmick already, you detest pro wrestling and love you some schlock. Omega is a submissive in the wolf pack. Just an fyi. Might make sense as to why Kenny sounds like he runs a phone sex line, while crying in shoot therapy sessions about how Harley Race made him get in the back of the line Got a question. What's "pro wrestling"? I'm kind of confused. You might be too. Essentialism is broke. So are "No True Scotsman" fallacies. I would like to think that pro wrestling is more than just hitting a bunch of spots, which is to what wrestling has been reduced. Pro wrestling minimally is an exploitative art, which has a long history in film. Your idea of what is pro wrestling might be a tad limited. No? |
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saintegenevieve
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Post by saintegenevieve on Jan 22, 2023 22:44:26 GMT -5
Everyone says it except you Vince. So who's the one that's wrong. Who's the one that's out of touch. Get out of this company already, senile dinosaur. Says what? What's "it"? Vince has had a lot of issues in creating new stars. I'm not sure many would defend whatever he's doing. That said, even his micromanaged brand does almost triple what AEW does, which is kind of pathetic. Says a lot about the virtues of his opponents |
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Post by GilGrissom on Jan 22, 2023 22:58:49 GMT -5
Oh good God....Can we put an end to this gimmick already it's exhausting.
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Post by TWJT on Jan 23, 2023 0:45:02 GMT -5
Unfortunately in the WWE, being a workhorse doesnât always get you to the top. Could be Vinceâs fault, might just be the nature of the fan base. Danielson made it work, but thatâs somewhat rare.
I think they fit perfectly in AEW, though if Corgan could magically get the NWA up to AEW level, that would probably be the dream promotion for FTR.
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omegaman88
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Post by omegaman88 on Jan 23, 2023 3:53:06 GMT -5
We get your gimmick already, you detest pro wrestling and love you some schlock. Omega is a submissive in the wolf pack. Just an fyi. Might make sense as to why Kenny sounds like he runs a phone sex line, while crying in shoot therapy sessions about how Harley Race made him get in the back of the line Got a question. What's "pro wrestling"? I'm kind of confused. You might be too. Essentialism is broke. So are "No True Scotsman" fallacies. I would like to think that pro wrestling is more than just hitting a bunch of spots, which is to what wrestling has been reduced. Pro wrestling minimally is an exploitative art, which has a long history in film. Your idea of what is pro wrestling might be a tad limited. No? Pro wrestling is incredibly dynamic and diverse, unfortunately old farts like you attempt to pigeonhole and gatekeep it. I've long enjoyed everything from Lucha to Puro and absolutely everything in between. I do not attempt to define wrestling, nor do I suscribe to any specific philosophy in regards to what it is. Guys like you get left behind in your nostalgia. I enjoy Kenny Omega strictly because he is a top shelf athlete capable of cutting a pace and executing moves with a coordination and form that nobody else can match outside of Will Ospreay. I'll also go home some nights and binge watch a bunch of old Hulk Hogan VHS types. Diversity, it's cool. |
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Post by Next Snowmanâs Sweater on Jan 23, 2023 14:55:52 GMT -5
Microaggressed đ didnât they get microaggressed by Shawn Michaels too? Revival Bald seems like the most thin-skinned wrestler ever. He always seems to be complaining about his AEW time too, I have this horrible fear that HHH is going to bring them back and I donât care for that idea.
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Post by omegaman88 on Jan 24, 2023 4:54:54 GMT -5
Microaggressed đ didnât they get microaggressed by Shawn Michaels too? Revival Bald seems like the most thin-skinned wrestler ever. He always seems to be complaining about his AEW time too, I have this horrible fear that HHH is going to bring them back and I donât care for that idea. Imagine not showing respect to arguably the most technically proficient tag team wrestler on the planet. Pretending not to know his actual name, so pretentious and lame. |
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Post by Next Snowmanâs Sweater on Jan 24, 2023 12:26:37 GMT -5
Microaggressed đ didnât they get microaggressed by Shawn Michaels too? Revival Bald seems like the most thin-skinned wrestler ever. He always seems to be complaining about his AEW time too, I have this horrible fear that HHH is going to bring them back and I donât care for that idea. Imagine not showing respect to arguably the most technically proficient tag team wrestler on the planet. Pretending not to know his actual name, so pretentious and lame. Cesaro? |
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Post by VKM Propagandist on Jan 24, 2023 17:53:22 GMT -5
Imagine not showing respect to arguably the most technically proficient tag team wrestler on the planet. Pretending not to know his actual name, so pretentious and lame. Cesaro? A Cesaro & Shelton Benjamin tag team surely would have had legs |
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Post by Mr. Tusk on Jan 24, 2023 19:41:05 GMT -5
A Cesaro & Shelton Benjamin tag team surely would have had legs Four of them |
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Post by WrestleZayniac on Jan 24, 2023 20:08:12 GMT -5
A Cesaro & Shelton Benjamin tag team surely would have had legs Four of them why is this so funny to me |
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Post by Mr. Tusk on Jan 24, 2023 20:23:52 GMT -5
why is this so funny to me  |
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jan 24, 2023 20:26:38 GMT -5
One thing I like about Daxâs podcast but probably isnât wonderful for his career but he is honest about everything. He doesnât really hold back. He has taken shots at the bucks and how they donât see eye to eye. Taken shots at Tony Khan, Vince, itâs wild.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Jan 24, 2023 21:08:46 GMT -5
Microaggressed đ didnât they get microaggressed by Shawn Michaels too? Revival Bald seems like the most thin-skinned wrestler ever. He always seems to be complaining about his AEW time too, I have this horrible fear that HHH is going to bring them back and I donât care for that idea. I think HHH will bring em back eventually |
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