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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2023 16:32:17 GMT -5
So, to stay on topic, this is something I can relay back to the AEW/Jazwares team.
Condense it down for me, however. What primarily is making you lose interest?
Is it the lack of communication? Is it the lack of releases?
What areas would you want to see improved in order to draw you back in?
If we could break it down into *two* things specifically to the individual, and you had Jeremy or Magic or Greg standing right in front of you, what would you tell them needs to improve?
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Post by ribeye on Feb 1, 2023 18:28:13 GMT -5
So, to stay on topic, this is something I can relay back to the AEW/Jazwares team. Condense it down for me, however. What primarily is making you lose interest? Is it the lack of communication? Is it the lack of releases? What areas would you want to see improved in order to draw you back in? If we could break it down into *two* things specifically to the individual, and you had Jeremy or Magic or Greg standing right in front of you, what would you tell them needs to improve? Quality control!!! The amount of figures I've seen with misaligned face printing is ridiculous. It's my biggest issue with this line. It has caused me to pass on several figures on the shelves which is unfortunate because the line is difficult to track down in stores. Ordering online is a crapshoot. I can live with random paint splotches here and there as no line is free from this but the face is the most important part of the figure to me. Mattel and Hasbro suffer from this but I have found the AEW line to be the most egregious. Consistent joints would be nice as well. Several figures are so loose, they tip over even with stands.
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Post by captncharisma19 on Feb 1, 2023 18:34:04 GMT -5
So, to stay on topic, this is something I can relay back to the AEW/Jazwares team. Condense it down for me, however. What primarily is making you lose interest? Is it the lack of communication? Is it the lack of releases? What areas would you want to see improved in order to draw you back in? If we could break it down into *two* things specifically to the individual, and you had Jeremy or Magic or Greg standing right in front of you, what would you tell them needs to improve? Communication
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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Feb 1, 2023 19:42:09 GMT -5
So, to stay on topic, this is something I can relay back to the AEW/Jazwares team. Condense it down for me, however. What primarily is making you lose interest? Is it the lack of communication? Is it the lack of releases? What areas would you want to see improved in order to draw you back in? If we could break it down into *two* things specifically to the individual, and you had Jeremy or Magic or Greg standing right in front of you, what would you tell them needs to improve? Literally the second post in the thread I laid out the issues Lose joints (some are flimsy joints like Unrivaled 7 Young Bucks with small plastic joints, some are loose like Unrivaled 8 Moxley having loose ball joints) Bad skin tones (zombie gray clay look to them) Bad head sculpts (some are good but a lot of them are off, just looking for more consistently good ones) Inaccurate scale (the women are too tall, Danielson is too tall, etc; they’ve fixed some figures in second releases but some are still wrong and it would be nice if they were just right in the first place) Missing deco (original FTR releases) A horrid chase format Long periods of silence The first five are pretty basic hurdles to leap and we know they can do all these things because the original waves didn’t have these problems. I can live with the 3000/5000 chases even though I don’t like it but the figures themselves need to be good quality. And other people don’t like the long periods where we don’t hear anything. I’m not pleased by it but if the figures themselves deliver then I don’t really mind I’d also like to add a minor personal complaint that CM Punk and some other wrestlers have those crapty Sammy Guevara boots that suck when the John Silver and Bryan Danielson kickpads are right there. So I guess maybe just making some better part choices, which is a major complaint everyone has about Mattel-WWE too
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Post by stc13 on Feb 1, 2023 21:03:31 GMT -5
In a word, consistency.
Consistent skin tones. Consistent communication. Consistent scale and quality.
The line blew me away out of the gate. But they are a long way from that level, imo.
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Post by xtremebadass on Feb 1, 2023 22:18:41 GMT -5
I still love the figures (when done right) of my favorites.
I've gotten the majority of my favorites so I've just really leveled out more than anything.
These figures hit their stride during the pandemic where all collectibles were overhyped. It was great for the line at the time, but every peak is followed by nothing but a fall.
I must say, distribution is not good. Character choices are odd at times (Stadium Stampede Inner Circle for example). Seeing figures from like a year or year and a half ago sell on RSC for dirty cheap also was a reality check.
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Post by celflessness on Feb 2, 2023 3:11:03 GMT -5
Quality of the releases. Quality of AEW as a product and brand name to the mainstream public.
I don't really care about communication, and the last thing they need is more figures on the shelves. AEW feel like bargain bin toys, because that's where I mostly see them.
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Post by LA Knight Yeah! on Feb 2, 2023 5:35:38 GMT -5
The only thing what bothered me was all of the punk figures had loose arms which was annoying and also unrivalled 5 hangman legs I hope they sorted out the loose legs with hangman in unmatched 8 but punks arms need to be tighter and also some paint apps rub off easily unlike Mattel’s.
But I think that’s what Jeremy wants to do show off figures at fan fests I know they only do 3 fan fests and does seem a long time with reveals for some collectors I think they like to keep everything and stuff show loads of stuff at the these fan fests.
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Post by crush on Feb 2, 2023 9:30:52 GMT -5
So, to stay on topic, this is something I can relay back to the AEW/Jazwares team. Condense it down for me, however. What primarily is making you lose interest? Is it the lack of communication? Is it the lack of releases? What areas would you want to see improved in order to draw you back in? If we could break it down into *two* things specifically to the individual, and you had Jeremy or Magic or Greg standing right in front of you, what would you tell them needs to improve? Like I said on the first page, I've by no means lost interest, but I'm going to answer this anyway just because I think there are areas that definitely could be improved relatively quickly. 1. Communication: I know that's beating a dead horse, but it really is the biggest thing for me. For example, I completely understand that they likely can't directly acknowledge anything regarding Punk, but a simple tweet saying something along the lines of "Any potential lineup changes will be communicated at soon as possible." or etc. Or ti use another example, just an open line of "Announcements are coming soon" in the midst of a long dry spell. 2. A clearer plan for what Luminaries are supposed to be going forward.
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Post by Keck Collects on Feb 2, 2023 11:06:59 GMT -5
I own one Jazwares AEW figure, which is Sting. But I always see them around in the stores. That Nyla Rose and Matt Jackson in the Purple/Black gear will haunt children for years to come. Those are two of the worst headscans ever done, going back to at least TTL.
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Post by ℍ𝕒𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕠 𝕂𝕚𝕝𝕝 on Feb 2, 2023 11:52:13 GMT -5
I mean if I'm being blunt, my biggest gripe with the line currently is it rotting on shelves causing my local stores to not order other wrestling figures. This line is dying a death because they tried running before walking and most importantly it doesn't work at retail. AEW fans love to tout "the key 18-35 demo" being their main fanbase but the people who actually buy toys at retail are children/parents, without them there simply isn't enough demand to warrant their place in stores like Wal-Mart. The only figure I'm even remotely interested in is the RoH Punk that might not even be made anymore and who knows if it even were, would come out looking decent? I think the line blew its chances with adult collectors spamming the same people over and over again, having awful joints and skin tones, incorrectly utilizing the legends they have and making people no one really cares about. Given that some Wal-Mart's are pulling their pegs and now Target is doing the same and isn't even listed as a retailer on the website, I don't think the line is long for this world, especially in its current state. Great point about that 18-35 demo. I have no doubt that there are kids who are AEW fans and want their figures, too. But I'd agree -- this line relies a ton of adult collectors. Obviously Jazzwares is well aware of that considering that they focus more on authentic, in-scale accessories and playsets. Plus they make a ton of exclusives that are most attractive to adult fans. I almost feel like AEW figures would be better off NOT having a physical retail space. Put them right on ShopAEW, Ringside, or even offer them through Target or Walmart as an "online only" item. One of the biggest issues I have with the line is quite similar. I remember seeing Wave 5 Kazarian on shelves for over a year, and unbelievably I still have multiple Targets in my area with one sole Riho figure left behind. I've seen this happen quite a bit. Plus look at those stores like Ollies that legit had HUNDREDS of figures for $8 at the end of last year. I was seeing posts of giant bins that were overflowing with AEW Wave 6 and 7. It almost seems like getting a hold on distribution and going exclusively online may be a good move to keep this line alive.
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Post by ajay182 on Feb 2, 2023 11:54:11 GMT -5
The biggest issue for me is that it's just gotten complacent on all counts. - The marketing and communication is passive.
I accept that Jazwares doesn't have the marketing budget of Mattel - but then be more intelligent and resourceful about how you engage an audience, as any challenger brand should. It's hard to see how hype and anticipation is intentionally built up for releases, outside of AEW-hosted events - it comes off as though the company isn't particularly enamoured with the product.
As an example, look at how engaged Mattel's Steve is on here/social media. He's not obliged to do that but by doing so, he helps spread legit info as well as hype releases. There's no inherent cost to having people consistently do that for AEW products. Equally, they work with WWE to have regular "official" comms, as opposed to waiting for fan fests. Surely someone at Jazwares has enough passion for the license to be a willing communicator?
- The product development is stagnant.
Based on what I've read, there are consistent product issues that have either been ignored or worsened - and the QA at times has been extremely questionable. Mattel and others have similar issues but they also seem to either publicly acknowledge or remedy them a good amount of the time (e.g. the repeat criticism of Hogan torsos/skin tones). Again, appreciate they're a bigger company but a smaller, more nimble business should theoretically find it easier to pivot when needed.
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Post by viper412 on Feb 2, 2023 12:08:44 GMT -5
Real question is what are they doing right at this point
The joints, scans, skin tones, scale all suck and there’s no communication or consistency in marketing or availability. Then there’s figures with their own problems like Mox’s ankles/legs and Stu Grayson arm
Only positive at this point is that they make 6-8in figures of AEW wrestlers
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 on Feb 2, 2023 15:13:23 GMT -5
I mean if I'm being blunt, my biggest gripe with the line currently is it rotting on shelves causing my local stores to not order other wrestling figures. This line is dying a death because they tried running before walking and most importantly it doesn't work at retail. AEW fans love to tout "the key 18-35 demo" being their main fanbase but the people who actually buy toys at retail are children/parents, without them there simply isn't enough demand to warrant their place in stores like Wal-Mart. The only figure I'm even remotely interested in is the RoH Punk that might not even be made anymore and who knows if it even were, would come out looking decent? I think the line blew its chances with adult collectors spamming the same people over and over again, having awful joints and skin tones, incorrectly utilizing the legends they have and making people no one really cares about. Given that some Wal-Mart's are pulling their pegs and now Target is doing the same and isn't even listed as a retailer on the website, I don't think the line is long for this world, especially in its current state. Great point about that 18-35 demo. I have no doubt that there are kids who are AEW fans and want their figures, too. But I'd agree -- this line relies a ton of adult collectors. Obviously Jazzwares is well aware of that considering that they focus more on authentic, in-scale accessories and playsets. Plus they make a ton of exclusives that are most attractive to adult fans. I almost feel like AEW figures would be better off NOT having a physical retail space. Put them right on ShopAEW, Ringside, or even offer them through Target or Walmart as an "online only" item. One of the biggest issues I have with the line is quite similar. I remember seeing Wave 5 Kazarian on shelves for over a year, and unbelievably I still have multiple Targets in my area with one sole Riho figure left behind. I've seen this happen quite a bit. Plus look at those stores like Ollies that legit had HUNDREDS of figures for $8 at the end of last year. I was seeing posts of giant bins that were overflowing with AEW Wave 6 and 7. It almost seems like getting a hold on distribution and going exclusively online may be a good move to keep this line alive. The question is an online only presence enough. I agree their best hope is to switch to being a mainly online product (which given stores recent trajectory seems to be the case one way or the other) they would have to trim the line down considerably. No more Unmatched for sure, they'd have to limit releases to every quarter max and they really can't afford to be making things like the Dark Order wave. That's all assuming Jazwares won't just drop the line if it reaches that stage, would they be making enough figures to even warrant orders from China? It probably should have been a specialty line to begin with like Super7 (even though I'm not their biggest fan) or in the best case scenario something like Storm.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Feb 2, 2023 16:36:45 GMT -5
Great point about that 18-35 demo. I have no doubt that there are kids who are AEW fans and want their figures, too. But I'd agree -- this line relies a ton of adult collectors. Obviously Jazzwares is well aware of that considering that they focus more on authentic, in-scale accessories and playsets. Plus they make a ton of exclusives that are most attractive to adult fans. I almost feel like AEW figures would be better off NOT having a physical retail space. Put them right on ShopAEW, Ringside, or even offer them through Target or Walmart as an "online only" item. One of the biggest issues I have with the line is quite similar. I remember seeing Wave 5 Kazarian on shelves for over a year, and unbelievably I still have multiple Targets in my area with one sole Riho figure left behind. I've seen this happen quite a bit. Plus look at those stores like Ollies that legit had HUNDREDS of figures for $8 at the end of last year. I was seeing posts of giant bins that were overflowing with AEW Wave 6 and 7. It almost seems like getting a hold on distribution and going exclusively online may be a good move to keep this line alive. The question is an online only presence enough. I agree their best hope is to switch to being a mainly online product (which given stores recent trajectory seems to be the case one way or the other) they would have to trim the line down considerably. No more Unmatched for sure, they'd have to limit releases to every quarter max and they really can't afford to be making things like the Dark Order wave. That's all assuming Jazwares won't just drop the line if it reaches that stage, would they be making enough figures to even warrant orders from China? It probably should have been a specialty line to begin with like Super7 (even though I'm not their biggest fan) or in the best case scenario something like Storm. Just my two cents but I think they relied on too many jobber/undercard guys and it’s flooded some stores. Just about every Walmart around me is bogged down with Dork Order and Hangman. Walmart refuses to clearance them for whatever reason so no new stock, for the most part, in months. I know there’s the “aew figs always on the top 10 on RSC” and while that’s probably true, if RSC is about the only reliable place to get the figures then that would make sense. Especially if you can get Unrivaled 11 for a sale price when Unrivaled 10 is basically not existent at retail
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Post by CM Poor: DeepFigureValue on Feb 2, 2023 20:18:12 GMT -5
For me, I just don't know how many more figures they're going to put out that I want or feel I "need". It was exciting early on to get big names that weren't going to come from the Mattel lines like Kenny, the Bucks, Penta, etc. I did a few duplicate buys in the form of Matt Hardy, Punk, and Danielson where I already had their Elites but either likes JW's output better (Hardy), felt compelled to commemorate the moment (Punk), or just liked the gimmick (Danielson), but that's drying up really quickly. I'm looking down the line now, and there aren't too many names left that I feel like I'd be compelled in advance to buy that aren't already in the pipeline, and the pipeline is drying up in that respect, too. That's less a JW problem and more an AEW problem, but that's sort of where I'm at from here on.
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Post by viper412 on Feb 2, 2023 20:21:11 GMT -5
Saying there is no fan fest less than a day before it would be is not groundbreaking or insider information
Instagram messaging some dude that works on toys is not insider either I could do it right now if I cared.
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Post by GoCanes84 on Feb 2, 2023 20:39:56 GMT -5
Three major problems with the line that are really hurting it:
1) Lack of information. Look at what we get with the Mattel line. We get more from Steve in a week than we’ve got with anyone from JW since the beginning. Not even taking into account the monthly reveals.
2) Lack of legends. Real disappointing obviously. And I don’t speak for all, but the two Owens they’ve released are massive letdowns.
3) It’s competition is the best wrestling figure line ever and may be at it’s peak.
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Post by Jack Specific on Feb 5, 2023 21:56:48 GMT -5
Ok, I finally got around to cleaning up this mess. Almost forgot. Please when you see someone trolling simply report the post, do not respond to it otherwise you may yourself end up warned or banned. Do not feed the trolls because when you do you are giving them exactly what they want. And some have already been banned and some warned, I am sure you can guess who. Please keep on topic, no response to my post as that would just throw this off again. I just wanted to keep you guys informed. Thanks! JS
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Post by derekbrazen on Feb 5, 2023 22:52:10 GMT -5
Thank you for the clean up. I do enjoy the conversation.
If Target stops carrying this line, I basically have no chance at buying these at retail. I have Walmarts around me, but I rarely go to one because they're busy and if they have WWE/AEW figures, the ones I want are usually already gone, just the stragglers. I pretty much buy everything AEW online/RSC. I'm at the point where I want Supreme styles figures with ForbiddenFigurines quality belts.
I saw the Render AEW Unmatches 8 line, they all look great. But I'm probably not going to make a purchase until I've seen online reviews/photos. In my area, I don't see AEW figures until after RCS has already offered Damages Packaging and a PPV/Holiday sale. I buy thru RSC, bc if I don't I will most likely not see these things.
Now having seen some kind of update, I'm hoping there is more coming. I'm willing to buy AEW figures, but they have to look like the wrestlers, and when Jazwares misses, they miss hard.
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