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Post by alanpartridge on Feb 15, 2023 11:03:22 GMT -5
Not a fan. I find him boring. My favourite recent IC Champion was Kofi Kingston.
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Post by fabulous1971 on Feb 15, 2023 11:17:33 GMT -5
He needs to bring back the old "Honk-o-Meter"
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Post by Slaughterama on Feb 16, 2023 17:57:25 GMT -5
I liked fat, NXT UK Walter better, but regardless.. He’s probs one of their top 3 guys.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Feb 16, 2023 19:04:57 GMT -5
Not a fan. I find him boring. My favourite recent IC Champion was Kofi Kingston. Kofi was always underrated.
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Post by RSCTom on Feb 17, 2023 13:02:21 GMT -5
We gonna have to agree to disagree on that one lol Lol it’s all good. But you gotta admit who else was a better IC Champ in the last 5,10,15 years etc ? The Miz really deserves his due tbh. The guy he won it from was way better Also Gunther is awesome. No one has looked this good on TV in a long, long time other than Roman.
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Post by Figgycent on Feb 18, 2023 8:33:50 GMT -5
Was hoping Brock/Gunther WM, but guess not according to last nights smackdown assuming Brock wins tonight!
I’d like Gunther vs. Lashley got the IC at WM.
Just thought yunno since Gunther has been sorta lobbying for a match with Brock.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Feb 19, 2023 0:21:31 GMT -5
We gonna have to agree to disagree on that one lol Lol it’s all good. But you gotta admit who else was a better IC Champ in the last 5,10,15 years etc ? The Miz really deserves his due tbh. The IC title has been cursed for almost 20 years. Randy Orton was a pretty great IC champ, but then he lost it and it was about 15 years of mostly mediocrity. No matter who held the title — from greats like Reihns and Rollins, up and comers like Cody Rhodes and Kofi Kingston, established stars like Mysterio and Jericho, scrubs like Ricochet and Curtis Axel — it just almost never seemed important. There were a few bright spots, like Santino’s second reign, but for the most part, just nothingness. The Miz in 2016 was very much the exception to that. He made that title important. Greatest IC champ since the first brand split (MAYBE besides Christian). Gunther has yet to put in a great promo or a really compelling storyline, but in terms of matches and presence, he’s the perfect Intercontinental champion. His reign so far has elevated the title as something it’s gonna take a lot to win, and builds him as a big danger to the world championship when he sets his sights on that.
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Post by Chody Rhodes on May 16, 2023 14:22:19 GMT -5
So I was looking through GUNTHER's title defenses and I couldn't help but notice a lack of big name opponents. Strowman, McIntyre, Mysterio and Sheamus are former world champs and main event level talent so they are solid defenses under his belt but the wins over others like Miz, Nakamura, Moss, Ricochet (who I enjoy but let's be honest he's not in any main event position) are all pretty meh and hardly bragworthy. I feel the same about the match he's going to have at NOC with Ali. No way Ali wins, he's not even a believable threat. I hope before he finishes his IC title run he gets some solid defenses over people that are at the very least believable opponents to beat him like Rollins, Balor, Riddle, KO, Zayn, Styles, Theory, Big Bob Lashley, Edge or Solo. Of course half of these guys are on the opposite brand but clearly that hasn't stopped WWE in the past. I would hate to see him beat HTM's record only to have people look back on his lengthy reign and say he never had any real challengers.
Sorry to bump this after so long but didn't feel like creating a new GUNTHER thread.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on May 16, 2023 17:11:03 GMT -5
So I was looking through GUNTHER's title defenses and I couldn't help but notice a lack of big name opponents. Strowman, McIntyre, Mysterio and Sheamus are former world champs and main event level talent so they are solid defenses under his belt but the wins over others like Miz, Nakamura, Moss, Ricochet (who I enjoy but let's be honest he's not in any main event position) are all pretty meh and hardly bragworthy. I feel the same about the match he's going to have at NOC with Ali. No way Ali wins, he's not even a believable threat. I hope before he finishes his IC title run he gets some solid defenses over people that are at the very least believable opponents to beat him like Rollins, Balor, Riddle, KO, Zayn, Styles, Theory, Big Bob Lashley, Edge or Solo. Of course half of these guys are on the opposite brand but clearly that hasn't stopped WWE in the past. I would hate to see him beat HTM's record only to have people look back on his lengthy reign and say he never had any real challengers. Sorry to bump this after so long but didn't feel like creating a new GUNTHER thread. The match should still be a good one tbh
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Post by Chody Rhodes on May 16, 2023 18:54:10 GMT -5
So I was looking through GUNTHER's title defenses and I couldn't help but notice a lack of big name opponents. Strowman, McIntyre, Mysterio and Sheamus are former world champs and main event level talent so they are solid defenses under his belt but the wins over others like Miz, Nakamura, Moss, Ricochet (who I enjoy but let's be honest he's not in any main event position) are all pretty meh and hardly bragworthy. I feel the same about the match he's going to have at NOC with Ali. No way Ali wins, he's not even a believable threat. I hope before he finishes his IC title run he gets some solid defenses over people that are at the very least believable opponents to beat him like Rollins, Balor, Riddle, KO, Zayn, Styles, Theory, Big Bob Lashley, Edge or Solo. Of course half of these guys are on the opposite brand but clearly that hasn't stopped WWE in the past. I would hate to see him beat HTM's record only to have people look back on his lengthy reign and say he never had any real challengers. Sorry to bump this after so long but didn't feel like creating a new GUNTHER thread. The match should still be a good one tbh Oh of course. I don't think Gunther has bad matches tbh and Ali is as good as Ziggler or anyone else when it comes to making someone look good so no doubt in my mind the match will be solid but I'm more so unenthused at the caliber of opponent he's facing if that makes sense. In the same breathe I'm of course glad to see Ali get his moment to shine even if it's short lived as again just like Ziggler the guy is a solid hand and deserves that recognition all the same. I just want some more big names on that list of people Gunther defended against before his reign ends.
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Post by finnbalor1 on May 17, 2023 3:30:23 GMT -5
Besides Moss and Ali that looks like a solid list to me,especially for a mid card title. I gotta imagine Riddle gonna be on that list real soon,maybe he's the one to finally dethrone him but I can see him getting couple wins in before that happens.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on May 17, 2023 7:39:33 GMT -5
The match should still be a good one tbh Oh of course. I don't think Gunther has bad matches tbh and Ali is as good as Ziggler or anyone else when it comes to making someone look good so no doubt in my mind the match will be solid but I'm more so unenthused at the caliber of opponent he's facing if that makes sense. In the same breathe I'm of course glad to see Ali get his moment to shine even if it's short lived as again just like Ziggler the guy is a solid hand and deserves that recognition all the same. I just want some more big names on that list of people Gunther defended against before his reign ends. Yeah I agree tbh but at least the match will make up for it & it could even be better than Gunther facing off with bigger names anyways.
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Post by casanova on May 17, 2023 9:37:00 GMT -5
I really hope that Kaiser will dethrone him when the time comes. They really need to push him more.
The lack of names for GUNTHER is due to the lack of a relevant upper midcard. You’ve had Reigns and Lesnar over everybody and than a few guys who weren’t totally destroyed by them such as Rollins. All the other guys were jobbers or/and comedy characters. Fractions like TJD and Imperium surfaced on the main roster over the last 24 months. It’s enjoyable to see that the upper midcard is becoming overall more relevant. This does also include the IC-title, which has become more and more irrelevant. Not GUNTHER redeemed the title, but Triple H with his decision to keep it with GUNTHER for that long. Ricochet and others may not sound like big names, but in fact these names just finally get the attention they deserve.
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Post by MKSavage on May 17, 2023 10:42:52 GMT -5
Lol it’s all good. But you gotta admit who else was a better IC Champ in the last 5,10,15 years etc ? The Miz really deserves his due tbh. The IC title has been cursed for almost 20 years. Randy Orton was a pretty great IC champ, but then he lost it and it was about 15 years of mostly mediocrity. No matter who held the title — from greats like Reihns and Rollins, up and comers like Cody Rhodes and Kofi Kingston, established stars like Mysterio and Jericho, scrubs like Ricochet and Curtis Axel — it just almost never seemed important. There were a few bright spots, like Santino’s second reign, but for the most part, just nothingness. The Miz in 2016 was very much the exception to that. He made that title important. Greatest IC champ since the first brand split (MAYBE besides Christian). Gunther has yet to put in a great promo or a really compelling storyline, but in terms of matches and presence, he’s the perfect Intercontinental champion. His reign so far has elevated the title as something it’s gonna take a lot to win, and builds him as a big danger to the world championship when he sets his sights on that. Probably even longer than that. It may have been cursed ever sense the Rock threw the IC title in the river and they went with the oval IC title that looked more like a belt buckle. Wasn't there one year in 1998 or 1999 or 2000 when there were 9 IC title champions in the calendar year?
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Post by Triple S: POOR on May 17, 2023 12:23:07 GMT -5
I just can’t wait for Gunther vs. Matt Riddle.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on May 17, 2023 16:44:51 GMT -5
The IC title has been cursed for almost 20 years. Randy Orton was a pretty great IC champ, but then he lost it and it was about 15 years of mostly mediocrity. No matter who held the title — from greats like Reihns and Rollins, up and comers like Cody Rhodes and Kofi Kingston, established stars like Mysterio and Jericho, scrubs like Ricochet and Curtis Axel — it just almost never seemed important. There were a few bright spots, like Santino’s second reign, but for the most part, just nothingness. The Miz in 2016 was very much the exception to that. He made that title important. Greatest IC champ since the first brand split (MAYBE besides Christian). Gunther has yet to put in a great promo or a really compelling storyline, but in terms of matches and presence, he’s the perfect Intercontinental champion. His reign so far has elevated the title as something it’s gonna take a lot to win, and builds him as a big danger to the world championship when he sets his sights on that. Probably even longer than that. It may have been cursed ever sense the Rock through the IC title in the river and they went with the oval IC title that looked more like a belt buckle. Wasn't there one year in 1998 or 1999 or 2000 when there were 9 IC title champions in the calendar year? In 1999, there were a lot: Shamrock Venis Road Dogg Goldust Godfather Jarrett Edge D’Lo Chyna Jericho
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Post by MKSavage on May 17, 2023 19:31:54 GMT -5
Probably even longer than that. It may have been cursed ever sense the Rock through the IC title in the river and they went with the oval IC title that looked more like a belt buckle. Wasn't there one year in 1998 or 1999 or 2000 when there were 9 IC title champions in the calendar year? In 1999, there were a lot: Shamrock Venis Road Dogg Goldust Godfather Jarrett Edge D’Lo Chyna Jericho Yeah, I remember that being way too many, and it really diminished the belt - in my opinion.
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Post by CM Tusk on May 17, 2023 19:37:25 GMT -5
Probably even longer than that. It may have been cursed ever sense the Rock through the IC title in the river and they went with the oval IC title that looked more like a belt buckle. Wasn't there one year in 1998 or 1999 or 2000 when there were 9 IC title champions in the calendar year? In 1999, there were a lot: Shamrock Venis Road Dogg Goldust Godfather Jarrett Edge D’Lo Chyna Jericho What’s even crazier is Billy Gunn SHOULD be on that list
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Post by McBlake on May 18, 2023 7:00:35 GMT -5
If rumours are believed to be true and: Dragunov is joining Imperium Then it's one step closer to my fantasy booking of him turning on them and being the one to dethrone Gunther.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on May 18, 2023 7:03:41 GMT -5
The IC title has been cursed for almost 20 years. Randy Orton was a pretty great IC champ, but then he lost it and it was about 15 years of mostly mediocrity. No matter who held the title — from greats like Reihns and Rollins, up and comers like Cody Rhodes and Kofi Kingston, established stars like Mysterio and Jericho, scrubs like Ricochet and Curtis Axel — it just almost never seemed important. There were a few bright spots, like Santino’s second reign, but for the most part, just nothingness. The Miz in 2016 was very much the exception to that. He made that title important. Greatest IC champ since the first brand split (MAYBE besides Christian). Gunther has yet to put in a great promo or a really compelling storyline, but in terms of matches and presence, he’s the perfect Intercontinental champion. His reign so far has elevated the title as something it’s gonna take a lot to win, and builds him as a big danger to the world championship when he sets his sights on that. Probably even longer than that. It may have been cursed ever sense the Rock threw the IC title in the river and they went with the oval IC title that looked more like a belt buckle. Wasn't there one year in 1998 or 1999 or 2000 when there were 9 IC title champions in the calendar year? Yeah since the late 90s the IC Title wasn’t the same lol… it was actually good during 03-04 tbh, even 2016 was a great year for the belt,2015 not bad but during the Attitude Era it really started to lack big time. In the last 25 years I’d say there’s only been a few good reigns with the belt.
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