TheEvilDoink1987
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Mar 6, 2023 19:51:41 GMT -5
With this month being the 20th anniversary of WrestleMania XIX, who do you think was the bigger snub when it came to not making the actual show?
RVD was technically on the preshow, but he was one of the most over talents on the roster and had been for a while. Meanwhile, despite how awful they were, Steiner was involved in consecutive title matches on the previous two PPVs.
Even if that card was very top-heavy with the loaded main events, I still feel like these two not being featured was really strange.
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Post by The Brain on Mar 6, 2023 20:00:56 GMT -5
Gotta go with Steiner. From that big return in November to the feud with Trips for the belt and in the end no Mania match?
Ouch
But with those title match performances, you can def see why looking back...
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Mar 6, 2023 20:46:46 GMT -5
Gotta go with Steiner. From that big return in November to the feud with Trips for the belt and in the end no Mania match? Ouch But with those title match performances, you can def see why looking back... The match at Royal Rumble is so bad that it's awful, but I don't think their rematch at No Way Out was anywhere near as bad. Still think that it was a colossal mistake to have Steiner be a babyface out the gate for that run. Keep the Survivor Series moment as is as that pop was insanity (I can vouch since I was in attendance that night 😁), but that character was meant to be a heel. Having his first feud be against the equally bulky HHH and playing the good guy was a recipe for disaster |
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Post by The Brain on Mar 6, 2023 20:54:16 GMT -5
Gotta go with Steiner. From that big return in November to the feud with Trips for the belt and in the end no Mania match? Ouch But with those title match performances, you can def see why looking back... The match at Royal Rumble is so bad that it's awful, but I don't think their rematch at No Way Out was anywhere near as bad. Still think that it was a colossal mistake to have Steiner be a babyface out the gate for that run. Keep the Survivor Series moment as is as that pop was insanity (I can vouch since I was in attendance that night 😁), but that character was meant to be a heel. Having his first feud be against the equally bulky HHH and playing the good guy was a recipe for disaster Yep by the time they did turn em heel(that Fall) it was wayyyyyyyy too late.Damage was done |
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Post by hbkjason on Mar 7, 2023 8:09:35 GMT -5
RVD was so unlucky that the upper card was so stacked with talent at the time. I actually liked the team of him and Kane.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Mar 7, 2023 13:25:51 GMT -5
Was Steiner scheduled to wrestle Batista or Orton at Mania that year??
I know both those men got injured in a match with the Dudley Boys going into Mania that year
RVD and Kane was almost like a team they were trying to recreate with how X-Pac and Kane were years earlier but I never felt those two guys mixed as a team. It was like, "we have nothing else planned for you two, so here are some Tag Titles."
RVD vs. Christian would have been an okay match for the PPV for a one on one match if they had it set up to be that way. Because Christian is another guy who didn't make the PPV that year.
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Post by JokerFC on Mar 7, 2023 15:05:55 GMT -5
In my book Steiner still unfairly gets the blame for those two matches. Creative failed him miserably. All hands knew what he was capable of yet they still booked that RR match that way & torpedoed his run. Pat Patterson... The best layout & finish man was pushed to one side to get that crap through. If only they had went Pats way.
I was disappointed to not see him on the WM19 card too
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Mar 9, 2023 8:46:07 GMT -5
In my book Steiner still unfairly gets the blame for those two matches. Creative failed him miserably. All hands knew what he was capable of yet they still booked that RR match that way & torpedoed his run. Pat Patterson... The best layout & finish man was pushed to one side to get that crap through. If only they had went Pats way. I was disappointed to not see him on the WM19 card too Great point. If they insisted on having him be a babyface, I think a better route would have been to have Steiner be a participant in the Royal Rumble match. Keep his debut the same and use the angle where he challenges HHH, but he refuses to give him a title match so Steiner's only option is to win the Rumble. That style of match would've better hid his physical limitations at the time that were completely exposed during the match they actually booked. You have him look really strong in the Rumble only to get screwed/eliminated by HHH and Evolution which is kind of what they would do the following year with Goldberg. Book something where he threatens Bischoff who gives him a match against Orton/Batista or whoever at No Way Out where if he wins he gets a title match at WrestleMania. Steiner wins and faces HHH for the belt. The match at Rumble absolutely derailed that entire comeback run because their match the following month at No Way Out really wasn't that bad at all, but he was dead in the water after that first performance. HHH definitely deserves some of the blame for that one too because he was morphing into that bloated bodybuilder mode during that time which limited his in-ring ability in my opinion. The rest is history. |
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Post by JokerFC on Mar 9, 2023 8:54:42 GMT -5
In my book Steiner still unfairly gets the blame for those two matches. Creative failed him miserably. All hands knew what he was capable of yet they still booked that RR match that way & torpedoed his run. Pat Patterson... The best layout & finish man was pushed to one side to get that crap through. If only they had went Pats way. I was disappointed to not see him on the WM19 card too Great point. If they insisted on having him be a babyface, I think a better route would have been to have Steiner be a participant in the Royal Rumble match. Keep his debut the same and use the angle where he challenges HHH, but he refuses to give him a title match so Steiner's only option is to win the Rumble. That style of match would've better hid his physical limitations at the time that were completely exposed during the match they actually booked. You have him look really strong in the Rumble only to get screwed/eliminated by HHH and Evolution which is kind of what they would do the following year with Goldberg. Book something where he threatens Bischoff who gives him a match against Orton/Batista or whoever at No Way Out where if he wins he gets a title match at WrestleMania. Steiner wins and faces HHH for the belt. The match at Rumble absolutely derailed that entire comeback run because their match the following month at No Way Out really wasn't that bad at all, but he was dead in the water after that first performance. HHH definitely deserves some of the blame for that one too because he was morphing into that bloated bodybuilder mode during that time which limited his in-ring ability in my opinion. The rest is history. Yup HHH is not blameless here. The match itself was dire & booked incorrectly. For some reason they had these 2 try to wrestle a straight match...instead of an all out brawl where Evolution have to come to HHHs rescue. Something that would have made Steiner look strong & disguise his limitations. But at this time HHH being portrayed as the cowardly heel was not the way things were done....it would come later on but not at that stage. |
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Post by Its Tiffy Time on Mar 9, 2023 9:02:54 GMT -5
RVD, Steiner was a lost cause at that point, rvd got booted off the main show for two useless women and stacy and torrie.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Mar 9, 2023 13:11:35 GMT -5
RVD & Kane should have won the Tag Titles on the main show ffs… the match could have been at least 10 mins. I remember they ended up winning em on RAW but it would have been a better moment at WM19.
No RVD, Kane, Steiner, Edge, Christian, Jeff, Dudleyz, Orton, Batista etc but still an epic show.
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Post by LA Times on Mar 9, 2023 22:09:33 GMT -5
This thread about big names being left off the Wrestlemania XIX card reminded me of a guy claiming to be a current WWE wrestler at the time writing a scathing rant to 1wrestling using the pen name "Willie the Worker".
It was never revealed who this person was but from looking at what was written, most people thought it was Jeff Hardy who was a full-time wrestler on the road with the company for 5 years and was a top merchandise seller. Others thought it mightve been RVD or Hurricane but both were with the WWE for less than 2 years at the time. Christian is also another name that can be considered.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Mar 10, 2023 13:41:09 GMT -5
This thread about big names being left off the Wrestlemania XIX card reminded me of a guy claiming to be a current WWE wrestler at the time writing a scathing rant to 1wrestling using the pen name "Willie the Worker". It was never revealed who this person was but from looking at what was written, most people thought it was Jeff Hardy who was a full-time wrestler on the road with the company for 5 years and was a top merchandise seller. Others thought it mightve been RVD or Hurricane but both were with the WWE for less than 2 years at the time. Christian is also another name that can be considered. This is wild if true. Never even heard about it somehow, but love this kind of unsolved mystery stuff. Going back to the Steiner debacle, what was almost worse than how they portrayed him out the gate was afterwards when they made him all "pro America" with his debates against heels wearing the flag on his tights. I still gave him a monster push in Here Comes the Pain and he had an awesome moveset in that game which is sadly one of the biggest positives from his run. |
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Post by Warriah' on Mar 10, 2023 17:40:35 GMT -5
I feel like WWE had a bit habit of bringing in former talent and burying the crapout of them around this time. Happened to Hennig, Tatanka, Hall, Val, Bossman, Haku, Goldust around the 02-06 period.
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Post by LA Times on Mar 10, 2023 17:45:23 GMT -5
I feel like WWE had a bit habit of bringing in former talent and burying the crap out of them around this time. Happened to Hennig, Tatanka, Hall, Val, Bossman, Haku, Goldust around the 02-06 period. You can add Hulk Hogan to the list to an extent. He had to put over The Rock, Undertaker, Kurt Angle, HHH, Brock Lesnar. |
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Post by Warriah' on Mar 10, 2023 18:01:44 GMT -5
I feel like WWE had a bit habit of bringing in former talent and burying the crap out of them around this time. Happened to Hennig, Tatanka, Hall, Val, Bossman, Haku, Goldust around the 02-06 period. You can add Hulk Hogan to the list to an extent. He had to put over The Rock, Undertaker, Kurt Angle, HHH, Brock Lesnar. Nash too. He got left off the WM18 card. And even when he was massively over in 03 they kept the belt off him and fired him after SS 04. |
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