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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 16, 2023 13:59:29 GMT -5
Rocky Maivia
The Rock
Scorpion King
Hobbs? (Or Shaw?)
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 16, 2023 14:12:57 GMT -5
Zombie Undertaker Ministry Taker American Badass Big Evil Mean Mark Deadman returns Hybrid Deadman/Biker final match I’d probably only count that as 2 personally for mean mark and taker as the name and history remained the same, it wasn’t like when he became aba taker they pretended his history didn’t exist Thats the same with Kama. He went from Fighting Machine to NOD to Godfather all as the same character. Only Shango did they pretend they weren’t one and the same. With Taker they were definitely changes in character and appearance. I’ll give you that Big Evil is probably just a heel version of ABA but Zombie Taker is not the same as AE/Ministry Taker which is definitely not the same as ABA/BE Taker and Return of the Deadman is a mixture of AE Taker with elements of ABA. Also forgot to mention there’s Undertaker as Kane. |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 16, 2023 14:25:47 GMT -5
I’d probably count Cena too:
Prototype
Dr of Thuganomics
Fruity Pebbles
Fast and Furious
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Mar 16, 2023 14:57:57 GMT -5
Mick Foley, Mankind, Dude Love, Cactus Jack Commissioner foley That’s just Mick Foley with a formal title |
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Post by micco on Mar 17, 2023 7:32:31 GMT -5
That’s just Mick Foley with a formal title I don’t think so. Different look. Different name. One wrestled and one didn’t. |
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Post by The Big Boss Man on Mar 17, 2023 9:16:12 GMT -5
Kane
Dr. Isaac Yankem, DDS
[Fake Diesel]
I consider guys like Rocker Shawn Michaels & HBK, or surfer Sting & crow Sting, or Hulk Hogan and Hollywood Hogan as evolutions of the same character. Characters like Papa Shango and Kama are NOT meant to be the same character anymore than the T-800 from Terminator and Dutch from Predator (both played by Arnold) are meant to be the same person/character.
Diesel / Kevin Nash (I consider evolution of the same character)
[Oz]
[Vinny Vegas]
[The brackets means we haven't gotten these figures yet.]
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Post by newgenandy on Mar 17, 2023 11:42:19 GMT -5
Kane Dr. Isaac Yankem, DDS [Fake Diesel] I consider guys like Rocker Shawn Michaels & HBK, or surfer Sting & crow Sting, or Hulk Hogan and Hollywood Hogan as evolutions of the same character. Characters like Papa Shango and Kama are NOT meant to be the same character anymore than the T-800 from Terminator and Dutch from Predator (both played by Arnold) are meant to be the same person/character. Diesel / Kevin Nash (I consider evolution of the same character) [Oz] [Vinny Vegas] [The brackets means we haven't gotten these figures yet.] Yeah I agree with hogan etc I mean characters where their past isn’t referenced Like how savio was never referenced as being the sultan because they were supposed to be totally different people etc Or how rikishi was not referred to as being a tag champ as part of the headshrinkers etc |
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Post by The Madness on Mar 17, 2023 22:26:35 GMT -5
Kane Dr. Isaac Yankem, DDS [Fake Diesel] I consider guys like Rocker Shawn Michaels & HBK, or surfer Sting & crow Sting, or Hulk Hogan and Hollywood Hogan as evolutions of the same character. Characters like Papa Shango and Kama are NOT meant to be the same character anymore than the T-800 from Terminator and Dutch from Predator (both played by Arnold) are meant to be the same person/character. Diesel / Kevin Nash (I consider evolution of the same character) [Oz] [Vinny Vegas] [The brackets means we haven't gotten these figures yet.] Yeah I agree with hogan etc I mean characters where their past isn’t referenced Like how savio was never referenced as being the sultan because they were supposed to be totally different people etc Or how rikishi was not referred to as being a tag champ as part of the headshrinkers etc I think I would cosider Legends 1 Steamboat and his DM Darogan two different gimmicks, but I’m not sure if I’d consider the DM and the WCW versions the same. |
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Post by Jackass Pacific on Mar 18, 2023 0:06:03 GMT -5
The karma figure talk got me thinking, with shango, supreme fighting machine karma, godfather and now NOD Karma does that make Charles Wright the person with the highest number of different characters? Fred has three: typhoon, tugboat and shockmaster I can’t think of anyone else with more? kama. his name was kama. |
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Post by savedbytheringbell on Mar 18, 2023 4:48:02 GMT -5
Mick Foley, Mankind, Dude Love, Cactus Jack Commissioner foley Santa Claus |
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Post by The Real Chillary on Mar 18, 2023 5:51:55 GMT -5
I don't really understand how people are struggling to get this concept.
Hollywood Hogan and Hulk Hogan or Commissioner Foley and Mick Foley are the same character under different titles. Where as 123 Kid and Syxx are different characters.
I'd count 123 Kid, Syxx and X-Pac as three different characters.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 18, 2023 6:37:42 GMT -5
I don't really understand how people are struggling to get this concept. Hollywood Hogan and Hulk Hogan or Commissioner Foley and Mick Foley are the same character under different titles. Where as 123 Kid and Syxx are different characters. I'd count 123 Kid, Syxx and X-Pac as three different characters. Kid, Syxx, and Pac are the same character and they never pretended they weren’t. He was just called Syxx in WCW because they couldn’t use Kid and was X-Pac in WWF because they were calling him Syxx Pac in WCW and the character evolved where they didn’t want to go back to calling him a name based off beating Razor Ramon. But he was still the same character with a different name. WCW made it clear he was the guy from WWF coming to WCW and WWF made it clear he was the same guy as before coming back. |
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Post by micco on Mar 18, 2023 21:47:57 GMT -5
I don't really understand how people are struggling to get this concept. Hollywood Hogan and Hulk Hogan or Commissioner Foley and Mick Foley are the same character under different titles. Where as 123 Kid and Syxx are different characters. I'd count 123 Kid, Syxx and X-Pac as three different characters. Kid, Syxx, and Pac are the same character and they never pretended they weren’t. He was just called Syxx in WCW because they couldn’t use Kid and was X-Pac in WWF because they were calling him Syxx Pac in WCW and the character evolved where they didn’t want to go back to calling him a name based off beating Razor Ramon. But he was still the same character with a different name. WCW made it clear he was the guy from WWF coming to WCW and WWF made it clear he was the same guy as before coming back. Right. If the different incarnations of Sean Waltman are different characters then Hollywood has gotta be a different character than the real American hogan. Half the time a guy underwent a character change it was just because of a trademark. We all have eyes. We knew Ed Leslie portrayed the barber, the bootyman, the disciple etc. if the definition of “different characters” is gonna be instances when we weren’t supposed to know that the character was being portrayed by a performer who formerly portrayed another character, that’s gonna make it a short list. In that case, you can’t count any of the faces of foley |
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Post by micco on Mar 18, 2023 21:49:57 GMT -5
Kane Dr. Isaac Yankem, DDS [Fake Diesel] I consider guys like Rocker Shawn Michaels & HBK, or surfer Sting & crow Sting, or Hulk Hogan and Hollywood Hogan as evolutions of the same character. Characters like Papa Shango and Kama are NOT meant to be the same character anymore than the T-800 from Terminator and Dutch from Predator (both played by Arnold) are meant to be the same person/character. Diesel / Kevin Nash (I consider evolution of the same character) [Oz] [Vinny Vegas] [The brackets means we haven't gotten these figures yet.] Yeah I agree with hogan etc I mean characters where their past isn’t referenced Like how savio was never referenced as being the sultan because they were supposed to be totally different people etc Or how rikishi was not referred to as being a tag champ as part of the headshrinkers etc Savio wasn’t sultan. He was kwang |
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Post by shanieomaniac on Mar 20, 2023 4:07:04 GMT -5
It's seriously debatable (as seen here) but I'd definitely give it to Mick. Mankind, Dude Love, Cactus Jack, and Mick himself are obviously four but I think there is a fair enough case to be made for Commissioner Foley to be a different character since he was in an entirely different role than "Mick Foley". And, on top of that, if you're going to consider Syxx and X-Pac different characters when literally the only difference between them is the company and name, then you could potentially argue that ECW Cactus is a different character as well, especially considering what ECW Cactus' character ended up being like.
But at the very least I'd have to give Mick five different versions here because I really feel Commissioner Foley is easily enough of a different character to be considered a fifth version, especially when, on RSC, he's specifically listed as "Commissioner Mick Foley" rather than just "Mick Foley". (Which, it will be interesting to see what the box has him listed as because I feel that will be the final deciding factor.)
All that said, and on that note, if you are going by what the characters are named as on the package, technically, Baron Corbin also has 4 versions:
Baron Corbin
"Constable" Baron Corbin
King Corbin
Happy Corbin
I don't know how much this counts as different characters though because they are all still Baron Corbin, just different flavors, but since I brought up the labeling on the packages, I thought I'd mention it.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 20, 2023 6:44:55 GMT -5
If going by the rule that to be a different character then there’s absolutely no acknowledgment they ever portrayed any other character then the list would be:
Charles Wright - 2
1. Papa Shango
2. Kama, Kama Mustafa, Godfather
Glen Jacobs -2
1. Yankem
2. Kane, Corporate Kane
Fred Ottman - 2
1. Tugboat, Typhoon
2. Shockmaster
Mark Calaway - 2
1. Mean Mark
2. Undertaker, ABA, Big Evil
Solofa Fatu Jr - 2
1. Rikishi
2. Headshrinker
Michael Seitz - 2
1. PS Hayes
2. Dok Hendrix
Ron Simmons - 2
1. Ron Simmons
2. Faarooq Asad, NOD Faarooq, Acolyte/APA Faarooq
There’s also people who got a name change coming from a different territory and never acknowledged that they ever wrestled anywhere else but were pretty much the same character (Dingo & Ultimate Warrior, “Sycho” Sid Justice & Vicious, William & Lord Steven Regal, Big Boss Man & The Boss, etc.) And there’s guys under masks who were pretending to be other characters but it was obvious to anyone watching who they were (Giant Machine & Mr America).
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Post by newgenandy on Mar 20, 2023 7:54:41 GMT -5
If going by the rule that to be a different character then there’s absolutely no acknowledgment they ever portrayed any other character then the list would be: Charles Wright - 2 1. Papa Shango 2. Kama, Kama Mustafa, Godfather Glen Jacobs -2 1. Yankem 2. Kane, Corporate Kane Fred Ottman - 2 1. Tugboat, Typhoon 2. Shockmaster Mark Calaway - 2 1. Mean Mark 2. Undertaker, ABA, Big Evil Solofa Fatu Jr - 2 1. Rikishi 2. Headshrinker Michael Seitz - 2 1. PS Hayes 2. Dok Hendrix Ron Simmons - 2 1. Ron Simmons 2. Faarooq Asad, NOD Faarooq, Acolyte/APA Faarooq There’s also people who got a name change coming from a different territory and never acknowledged that they ever wrestled anywhere else but were pretty much the same character (Dingo & Ultimate Warrior, “Sycho” Sid Justice & Vicious, William & Lord Steven Regal, Big Boss Man & The Boss, etc.) And there’s guys under masks who were pretending to be other characters but it was obvious to anyone watching who they were (Giant Machine & Mr America). Looks like 2s the magic number then Was colonel mustafa ever noted as being sheik or were they supposed to be 2 different characters? There’s another woth 2 if they were not referenced as the same person |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 20, 2023 8:11:53 GMT -5
If going by the rule that to be a different character then there’s absolutely no acknowledgment they ever portrayed any other character then the list would be: Charles Wright - 2 1. Papa Shango 2. Kama, Kama Mustafa, Godfather Glen Jacobs -2 1. Yankem 2. Kane, Corporate Kane Fred Ottman - 2 1. Tugboat, Typhoon 2. Shockmaster Mark Calaway - 2 1. Mean Mark 2. Undertaker, ABA, Big Evil Solofa Fatu Jr - 2 1. Rikishi 2. Headshrinker Michael Seitz - 2 1. PS Hayes 2. Dok Hendrix Ron Simmons - 2 1. Ron Simmons 2. Faarooq Asad, NOD Faarooq, Acolyte/APA Faarooq There’s also people who got a name change coming from a different territory and never acknowledged that they ever wrestled anywhere else but were pretty much the same character (Dingo & Ultimate Warrior, “Sycho” Sid Justice & Vicious, William & Lord Steven Regal, Big Boss Man & The Boss, etc.) And there’s guys under masks who were pretending to be other characters but it was obvious to anyone watching who they were (Giant Machine & Mr America). Looks like 2s the magic number then Was colonel mustafa ever noted as being sheik or were they supposed to be 2 different characters? There’s another woth 2 if they were not referenced as the same person Yeah they mentioned he was Iron Sheik when he debuted as Col Mustafa. Around the 19:40 mark after Mustafa’s Picture in Picture promo during Duggan’s match Vince says “former WWF champion, if you recall, now calling himself Col Mustafa.” |
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Post by bigvis497 on Mar 20, 2023 9:59:09 GMT -5
Kane Dr. Isaac Yankem, DDS [Fake Diesel] I consider guys like Rocker Shawn Michaels & HBK, or surfer Sting & crow Sting, or Hulk Hogan and Hollywood Hogan as evolutions of the same character. Characters like Papa Shango and Kama are NOT meant to be the same character anymore than the T-800 from Terminator and Dutch from Predator (both played by Arnold) are meant to be the same person/character. Diesel / Kevin Nash (I consider evolution of the same character) [Oz] [Vinny Vegas] [The brackets means we haven't gotten these figures yet.] Yeah I agree with hogan etc I mean characters where their past isn’t referenced Like how savio was never referenced as being the sultan because they were supposed to be totally different people etc Or how rikishi was not referred to as being a tag champ as part of the headshrinkers etc Rikishi's past was kind of referenced, but not much. It was said that he came from a Samoan family, plus he originally kept Fatu as a last name (spelling was changed to Phatu). They weren't hiding that he was Fatu, they even mentioned him being shot, which was part of the make a difference character. So he wasn't exactly treated as a brand new wrestler. That was a really weird return. He didn't debut on Raw or Smackdown, he just showed up on Jakked one night beating jobbers. No return vignettes, no hype, nothing. It's just "hey, here's Fatu! And he's fat now!" |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 20, 2023 10:40:32 GMT -5
I think something else to consider is wrestlers being repackaged. Yeah they may still have the history but they’re clearly an entirely new character. Guys like Tito Santana suddenly becoming El Matador or Lex Luger coming to WWF wearing silver and purple and calling himself The Narcissist. They are meant to be completely different personas than what they were prior. Stardust and Cody Rhodes is another example as is ABA and Dead Man versions of Taker. Same character, no one is pretending they’re not, but completely different appearance, name or nickname, personality, promo style, and sometimes even moveset. Ringmaster to Stone Cold would be someone else I’d consider being a completely different repackaged character that still share the same lineage. Warlord is another.
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