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Post by theoutlaw1999 on May 19, 2023 17:49:20 GMT -5
So after 3 years Jakks decided to retire the BCA's and introduce the TTL range.
It was late 1999 and we were entering a new century so it's only fitting that Jakks began a new era.
But, I personally believe that the TTL's came a year too early. If you look at the early ones in 2000 they were horrible.
Horrendous headscans, costumes painted on torsos's and stiff hip joints.
You cannot deny that the early TTL's were mediocre figures, the BCA's looked like masterpieces beside them.
It was around 2001 things improved. Headscans got better and guys like Rikishi, Angle etc were great figures.
Does anyone else feel that Jakks should've continued the BCA's for another year and took the time perfecting the TTL's before considering their release?
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Post by wholefnshow420 on May 19, 2023 21:34:31 GMT -5
Yes they should have kept the bca going till late 2000 and then just completely stuck with ttl and r3 styles over the ruthless styles until the end of the line
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Post by BoneCrunchingCustoms on May 20, 2023 11:07:14 GMT -5
If it was up to me, Jakks would still be making BCA's!
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Post by Scott! on May 20, 2023 23:23:49 GMT -5
I’m maybe blinded by a bit of nostalgia, loved the TTL line as a kid, but there’s no question that they were pretty bad in comparison to just about every other figure line Jakks did.
They had some great figures, and I agree they got better as the years went on, but it’s rough looking back at them now.
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Post by CM Tusk on May 21, 2023 2:26:24 GMT -5
I liked the Gangrel.
But what was up with those weird leg shield things?
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Post by charabro on May 21, 2023 15:36:12 GMT -5
Those finishing moves / final count figures were the best thing around the time, jakks absolute best work
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Post by Scott! on May 21, 2023 16:21:28 GMT -5
Those finishing moves / final count figures were the best thing around the time, jakks absolute best work Jakks best figures playability wise until the Deluxe line. Those were fun as hell to play with as a kid! |
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on May 21, 2023 16:27:16 GMT -5
Those finishing moves / final count figures were the best thing around the time, jakks absolute best work Whaa? Those things were disgusting and didn't even look like human beings. They were like badly made puppets from a low budget puppet show. |
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Post by wrestlingfan1000 on May 21, 2023 17:02:58 GMT -5
I personally love TTL even though I wasn't collecting them at the time, but I will say to this day that Netflix documentary "The Toys that Made Us" where they just dumped all over the BCA line and praised the TTL line still pains me.
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Post by charabro on May 22, 2023 4:32:02 GMT -5
Those finishing moves / final count figures were the best thing around the time, jakks absolute best work Whaa? Those things were disgusting and didn't even look like human beings. They were like badly made puppets from a low budget puppet show. I own almost every one of them, I refuse to hear such blasphemy ahaha Think I love them purely down to nostalgia, such a toyetic line |
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Post by crush on May 22, 2023 10:01:34 GMT -5
Eh, TTL's were really only bad for the first 3 series (and their ancillary sets), which admittedly were the most heavily pushed as they were the launch of the line. By the time Series 4/Double Slam 4, ROTR were coming out they had gotten pretty solid and IMO remained so through the rest of the run.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on May 22, 2023 11:02:53 GMT -5
I liked the Gangrel. But what was up with those weird leg shield things? Before he became, I think, more associated with the purple and black tights, Gangrel's gear did include leather plating on the legs. I think it got missed a lot due to blending in with the black of his gear, and the more subdued photo quality back then, but it was there for a bit:  |
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on May 22, 2023 17:27:59 GMT -5
I personally love TTL even though I wasn't collecting them at the time, but I will say to this day that Netflix documentary "The Toys that Made Us" where they just dumped all over the BCA line and praised the TTL line still pains me. Haven't seen the documentary but the critics are taking nonsense. The BCA's were not perfect, but despite the lesser articulation I had way more fun playing with them. I have lots of TTL's with hip's so stiff I know they will break with slight force, they've been like that from the day they came out of the package. |
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on May 22, 2023 17:33:48 GMT -5
Eh, TTL's were really only bad for the first 3 series (and their ancillary sets), which admittedly were the most heavily pushed as they were the launch of the line. By the time Series 4/Double Slam 4, ROTR were coming out they had gotten pretty solid and IMO remained so through the rest of the run. That is when the TTL line improved. Better headscans, body moulds etc. They were still stiff at times but superior to the first first few series. IMO that is when the TTL's line should've launched. |
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Post by The-Rock on May 22, 2023 21:48:49 GMT -5
Eh, TTL's were really only bad for the first 3 series (and their ancillary sets), which admittedly were the most heavily pushed as they were the launch of the line. By the time Series 4/Double Slam 4, ROTR were coming out they had gotten pretty solid and IMO remained so through the rest of the run. This. The head scans were terrible and so many of the attires were made up and just disgusting. However, the playability was a true step up. It wasn't possible to do a true Rock bottom with BCA's, but TTL's made it happen. However, a lot of the early real scan ones hold up pretty well even 20+ years later. When TTL's started having elbow articulation around TTL 6/ROTR 2/DS 5/HOP - ABSOLUTE game changer. |
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Post by The-Rock on May 22, 2023 21:56:16 GMT -5
Eh, TTL's were really only bad for the first 3 series (and their ancillary sets), which admittedly were the most heavily pushed as they were the launch of the line. By the time Series 4/Double Slam 4, ROTR were coming out they had gotten pretty solid and IMO remained so through the rest of the run. That is when the TTL line improved. Better headscans, body moulds etc. They were still stiff at times but superior to the first first few series. IMO that is when the TTL's line should've launched. Honestly I think it had more to do with wrestling being at it's apex and it was the best strategic time to get kids to have their parents buy a whole new/different set of toys. Knowing what I know about supply/demand, how action figure companies general operate, and being able to see how the initial sets shook out - it was pretty clear Jakks was pulling one of their all-time moves of get everyone to buy it because it's the first and new thing, but don't release the best/quintessential stuff. Virtually none of the main guys were in ring gear in any of the first 5 sets - except for random double slams sets and raw heat. If I ever get to meet someone from Jakks, I'd be curious why they jettisoned the R3 line after less than a year and then moved to RA (which thankfully was a step closer back to TTL's, but even those original body molds were cartoonish). |
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on May 23, 2023 17:50:49 GMT -5
That is when the TTL line improved. Better headscans, body moulds etc. They were still stiff at times but superior to the first first few series. IMO that is when the TTL's line should've launched. Honestly I think it had more to do with wrestling being at it's apex and it was the best strategic time to get kids to have their parents buy a whole new/different set of toys. Knowing what I know about supply/demand, how action figure companies general operate, and being able to see how the initial sets shook out - it was pretty clear Jakks was pulling one of their all-time moves of get everyone to buy it because it's the first and new thing, but don't release the best/quintessential stuff. Virtually none of the main guys were in ring gear in any of the first 5 sets - except for random double slams sets and raw heat. If I ever get to meet someone from Jakks, I'd be curious why they jettisoned the R3 line after less than a year and then moved to RA (which thankfully was a step closer back to TTL's, but even those original body molds were cartoonish).Apart from the dented back scan the R3 were pretty cool. I do believe that the RA line started shortly after Jeremy joined Jakks so maybe that's why the R3's ended so soon. |
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Post by wrestlingfan1000 on May 23, 2023 20:54:57 GMT -5
I personally love TTL even though I wasn't collecting them at the time, but I will say to this day that Netflix documentary "The Toys that Made Us" where they just dumped all over the BCA line and praised the TTL line still pains me. Haven't seen the documentary but the critics are taking nonsense. The BCA's were not perfect, but despite the lesser articulation I had way more fun playing with them. I have lots of TTL's with hip's so stiff I know they will break with slight force, they've been like that from the day they came out of the package. No kidding BCA figures are ton of fun plus that monster ring just added hours to that fun factor of those figures! |
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Post by D Rock on May 24, 2023 11:13:12 GMT -5
The TTL figures were so horrible in every way. I stopped collecting altogether because of them and started back up with R3 line.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Jul 18, 2023 9:09:00 GMT -5
The TTL figures were immense. As soon as they got elbow joints and real scan heads, they were on fire.
I was really not a fan of R3 tech or RA when they first came out. I thought R3 were too restrictive, skinny and those and RA figures couldn't do powerbombs or hurracanranas which really bugged me. But RAs fit in better with TTLs and were fun to hunt down and buy.
BCAs were also restrictive to play with, but my god were they fun to play with. One of those situations where it comes down to nostalgia and warm feelings towards something because of being a kid, but they don't hold up today. Similar to old console games. Fun as hell back then to play, but they don't feel the same when playing with today. But BCAs just had a charm to them. They were cheap, fun and had that x-factor.
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I dont know good luck 
