captncharisma19
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Post by captncharisma19 on Jun 29, 2023 9:24:52 GMT -5
Crowd funds aren't for "the average collector" I'll rephrase it then: "it's not really the kind of thing enough collectors are craving". I can get behind that statement, the evidence is clear.
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Warriah'
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Post by Warriah' on Jun 29, 2023 9:56:30 GMT -5
People just seem to overlook the fact that the wcw arena would have funded if they didn’t scam international folks
They were about 1k away. You only needed 1000 people from every other country outside the US to back one. And many would have backed multiple.
Yeah we can criticise the offering, price etc but it would have funded at $400 had it been $400 for everyone. Nobody was paying $630ish plus shipping
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jun 29, 2023 11:34:08 GMT -5
People just seem to overlook the fact that the wcw arena would have funded if they didn’t scam international folks They were about 1k away. You only needed 1000 people from every other country outside the US to back one. And many would have backed multiple. Yeah we can criticise the offering, price etc but it would have funded at $400 had it been $400 for everyone. Nobody was paying $630ish plus shipping But shipping something to Nebraska doesn’t cost the same as shipping something to Melbourne. The cost to ship something to New Jersey isn’t the same as shipping it to Winchester. Something of that scale and weight costs a fortune to ship internationally. Mattel woulda been the ones getting screwed if you really expected them to charge the exact same rates as they would domestically.
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Post by kiloinnorcal on Jun 29, 2023 11:38:31 GMT -5
To be fair, Hasbro has a lot of failed Haslabs as well. Really the only surefire ones are the huge scale Marvel characters and GI Joe.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jun 29, 2023 11:39:15 GMT -5
People just seem to overlook the fact that the wcw arena would have funded if they didn’t scam international folks They were about 1k away. You only needed 1000 people from every other country outside the US to back one. And many would have backed multiple. Yeah we can criticise the offering, price etc but it would have funded at $400 had it been $400 for everyone. Nobody was paying $630ish plus shipping But shipping something to Nebraska doesn’t cost the same as shipping something to Melbourne. The cost to ship something to New Jersey isn’t the same as shipping it to Winchester. Something of that scale and weight costs a fortune to ship internationally. Mattel woulda been the ones getting screwed if you really expected them to charge the exact same rates as they would domestically. They were charging higher prices on top of shipping for international collectors. It wasn't the same price and then different shipping prices.
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Post by personagamer on Jun 29, 2023 11:42:48 GMT -5
because it was overpriced and they already released a cheaper stage with a ring during the last crowdfund ...it wasn't overpriced (except for international customers) - it was expensive. But it was always going to be expensive... these things are. And the Nitro stage failing had nothing to do with them having released the New Gen entrance way and ring... they were totally different things being offered. which would you rather get the big gigantic one you probably won't have space for or the New Gen that's cheaper and smaller
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jun 29, 2023 11:45:57 GMT -5
But shipping something to Nebraska doesn’t cost the same as shipping something to Melbourne. The cost to ship something to New Jersey isn’t the same as shipping it to Winchester. Something of that scale and weight costs a fortune to ship internationally. Mattel woulda been the ones getting screwed if you really expected them to charge the exact same rates as they would domestically. They were charging higher prices on top of shipping for international collectors. It wasn't the same price and then different shipping prices. I don’t know how they did the math but I don’t think they were intentionally trying to gouge the international buyer. I take em at their word this is what they estimated the additional costs for shipping and customs would be. Maybe they overestimated based on the trajectory of inflation a year from now, IDK. My guess is that they took a loss with international buyers on the New Gen campaign and this was their way of making sure it didn’t happen again.
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Post by Warriah' on Jun 29, 2023 13:49:34 GMT -5
People just seem to overlook the fact that the wcw arena would have funded if they didn’t scam international folks They were about 1k away. You only needed 1000 people from every other country outside the US to back one. And many would have backed multiple. Yeah we can criticise the offering, price etc but it would have funded at $400 had it been $400 for everyone. Nobody was paying $630ish plus shipping But shipping something to Nebraska doesn’t cost the same as shipping something to Melbourne. The cost to ship something to New Jersey isn’t the same as shipping it to Winchester. Something of that scale and weight costs a fortune to ship internationally. Mattel woulda been the ones getting screwed if you really expected them to charge the exact same rates as they would domestically. Bro they charged shipping at checkout on top of the shipping they claimed was included in the price. Even then $230 is absurd and makes RSC shipping prices seem almost reasonable. Besides any sane business wouldn’t have shipped the international orders from China to America before shipping them back into Europe. They should have gone into a distribution centre in the UK or Europe which would have kept those costs way down. No matter how you slice it they tried to majorly everyone outside the US over
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jun 29, 2023 14:35:02 GMT -5
But shipping something to Nebraska doesn’t cost the same as shipping something to Melbourne. The cost to ship something to New Jersey isn’t the same as shipping it to Winchester. Something of that scale and weight costs a fortune to ship internationally. Mattel woulda been the ones getting screwed if you really expected them to charge the exact same rates as they would domestically. Bro they charged shipping at checkout on top of the shipping they claimed was included in the price. Even then $230 is absurd and makes RSC shipping prices seem almost reasonable. Besides any sane business wouldn’t have shipped the international orders from China to America before shipping them back into Europe. They should have gone into a distribution centre in the UK or Europe which would have kept those costs way down. No matter how you slice it they tried to majorly everyone outside the US over Did they overestimate shipping and custom rates? Possibly, but it wasn’t a malicious attack on international customers. Obviously they wanted as many people who wanted to support this campaign to be able to. They didn’t set out to try to get one over on everyone outside of the US. At worst, it was a math error that no one wanted to own up to or attempt to recalculate.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Jun 29, 2023 14:35:52 GMT -5
I think the WCW crowd fund failed for few reasons
The incentive figures they offered sucked pretty bad. To be honest I think lot of people collect WCW for lot of NWO period.
In past 3 years we got multiple Hogans, Goldberg, Nash, Hall, and Sting isn’t under contract. Think all you really got to push is maybe a Flair? And Steiner is only real heavy hitter unless you get some cool fringe characters like Mortis or Disco Inferno.
I think if it was knock it out of the ball park on Tiers with some of the figures we got in the line past few years it could of maybe worked
I think everyone was okay with Nitro set AFTER Monday Night Raw 98-99 set and a SD Fist set.
And it really doesn’t help we are in the greatest American Economic downturn since the depression that is surpassing 2008.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Jun 29, 2023 15:36:51 GMT -5
Oh, good, we're doing this one again.
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Post by Crossfit Jesus on Jun 29, 2023 15:39:09 GMT -5
One reason. the poors
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Jun 30, 2023 13:58:17 GMT -5
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Post by kanepilk on Jul 5, 2023 12:20:28 GMT -5
I'm not a Jurassic Park fan (I mean, I seen the first one or two films when i was younger, and I know what it is, but I wouldn't be bothered buying it on DVD or sitting down to watch it on TV or such) but the problem with crowdfunds is the extra tiers that you have no control over.
I wouldn't be bothered buying the Jurassic Gates because the T-Rex is an extra unlockable item. The whole set seems incomplete if the dinosaur isn't included with it.
My opinion is that the crowdfunding model has to change. Stop with the extras. I personally won't buy an extra few thousand play sets, so I don't have any control over them.
Just make the crowdfund need the 10k backers to get it going at all. $250 for the full set (gates, jeep, dinosaur, people, etc.) seems good and I'd be much more likely to buy that, and wait it out to see if 10k other people do too, rather than committing to 1/3rd of the set and hoping that other people pick up the slack.
If WCW stage had gotten to 9,990 people, and we just needed 10 more to get to the warrior.. there's nothing I, as a customer, can do about it. I'm not going to buy the 10 extra sets, so why place that burden on me. If you went in with an attitude of "this is the full package and it costs X and needs 10k backers" you'd be looking at better value for money from the word go, and more people would be inclined to pay for it, knowing they aren't gambling on a poor value-for-money set.
This is my thinking, anyway. I'm sure others must have similar sentiment.
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Post by mmondrag96 on Jul 5, 2023 12:55:37 GMT -5
As a person that supported WWF during the attitude era I hated WCW and felt like that one was stupid to go with first. The attitude stage looked nice and we already had the ring to go with it but I’d prefer ring stuff like a cage or specially match.
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Post by aggressiveperfector on Jul 8, 2023 6:54:24 GMT -5
These gates are not nearly as bad as they are getting heat for. I understand the price point is steep but this is a premium toy and a premium offering...as was the WCW Nitro Stage. I don't really understand how it's so hard to wrap around that for some people. The days of giant hollow pieces of plastic with a built in rotator chair and launching missiles are over. Steep price or not, it is what it is. I still have my old Ghostbusters firehouse but how could someone expect something like that to be released in the modern era of toys being more detailed than ever before? See: the McFarlane Batmobile from Flash...bare bones but in person not even close to as good as a crowdfunded version would be. I'm going to get the remote control SpinMaster one instead. As someone who has been waiting and hoping for exactly these, probably more than anything else across any toy line including wrestling, the gates look incredible and it's going to really sting for me if they don't get backed. Not only that, and it was kind of the same thing with the WCW stage to a degree, these gates are absolutely the most iconic and recognizable aspects of the brands. The only thing arguably more recognizable than the JP gates is the T-Rex itself, so I don't know why people wouldn't expect these to be suped up and turned into premium offerings. They have specialized, collector based packaging which is clearly catering to the collector market and also goes into the budget. Personally, and this is no disrespect to Mattel's talented packaging teams, but I open every single item I get, even rare things, so I could do without all that stuff but I am not the only one this is being sold for and I am very aware of that. Don't get me wrong...I would pay for a bare bones, hollow version (probably would have for WCW stage as well) just to have the look in place but how can anyone deny the electronics and lights on pieces like this don't make them way beyond anything we ever had for toys as kids, those of us who had these types of things in the 80's and 90's? They're creating pretty awesome things here with a level of accuracy and detail that just hasn't been done up to this point. As far as some of the items being repaints, that to me is just how it is with a line at GI Joe scale...you're going to get some reused molding. Especially with a line where the T-Rex models are essentially the same throughout all movies and most casual collectors out there dipping their toes into JP really only need one. These projects are meant to pull people into lines they don't typically collect. With that said the fact that reusing so many molds should probably lower the cost a bit is a valid criticism. It does make me wonder if it was possible to get this to $200 with all included if people would be more open to it. $50 bucks definitely makes a difference...especially after shipping and tax. But I still can't help but feel like people would be complaining. The criticisms about these types of things being so large it's hard to fill up a room I also find valid, but that I think makes it even easier to say if you don't have the room, you don't have to get it or you can make space. Not everyone has to have everything always even when it feels like that sometimes and that's something I think sometimes a lot of people lose sight of. I get being a perfectionist and wanting things but your life won't end not getting certain pieces if you can't afford it/don't have the room. Anyway, I'm still backing this and I was planning on backing the WCW stage to support my friends on that team. I am not a major fan of crowd-funding and the way it works in general but there are certain things that are undeniable necessities for me in regards to my collection, personally, and this is close to the top of the list. I can't stress enough this is like...a centerpiece and I can't imagine something else beyond this I would even want as much. I don't need a giant building like the visitor's center or anything like that. I also am going to have to get this shipped to an international address believe it or not so I was bummed to find that I wasn't able to back it right away, but I want the gates and everything included bad enough that I'm going to have it forwarded. If it hits 5k I will cancel my US order and have it shipped to me directly in my country of residence. I agree you with a lot of this. Hey, have you checked out Hasbro's Crowdfunds for GI Joe Classified and Marvel Legends. I can't wait for the HISSTank, and I'm backing the Dragonfly. Hope we get a reveal of the last tier as Airborne in his classic look. And I actually thought it was cool adding Glenda as she is a grail piece in 3.75. I'm REALLY hoping the Legends Crowdfund is Fin Fang Foom. I actually paid 450 for the 2008 one. But a HUGE one with all the bells and whistles would be great...and we'd probably get Mandarin as an unlock.
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Post by kiloinnorcal on Jul 8, 2023 8:19:55 GMT -5
These gates are not nearly as bad as they are getting heat for. I understand the price point is steep but this is a premium toy and a premium offering...as was the WCW Nitro Stage. I don't really understand how it's so hard to wrap around that for some people. The days of giant hollow pieces of plastic with a built in rotator chair and launching missiles are over. Steep price or not, it is what it is. I still have my old Ghostbusters firehouse but how could someone expect something like that to be released in the modern era of toys being more detailed than ever before? See: the McFarlane Batmobile from Flash...bare bones but in person not even close to as good as a crowdfunded version would be. I'm going to get the remote control SpinMaster one instead. As someone who has been waiting and hoping for exactly these, probably more than anything else across any toy line including wrestling, the gates look incredible and it's going to really sting for me if they don't get backed. Not only that, and it was kind of the same thing with the WCW stage to a degree, these gates are absolutely the most iconic and recognizable aspects of the brands. The only thing arguably more recognizable than the JP gates is the T-Rex itself, so I don't know why people wouldn't expect these to be suped up and turned into premium offerings. They have specialized, collector based packaging which is clearly catering to the collector market and also goes into the budget. Personally, and this is no disrespect to Mattel's talented packaging teams, but I open every single item I get, even rare things, so I could do without all that stuff but I am not the only one this is being sold for and I am very aware of that. Don't get me wrong...I would pay for a bare bones, hollow version (probably would have for WCW stage as well) just to have the look in place but how can anyone deny the electronics and lights on pieces like this don't make them way beyond anything we ever had for toys as kids, those of us who had these types of things in the 80's and 90's? They're creating pretty awesome things here with a level of accuracy and detail that just hasn't been done up to this point. As far as some of the items being repaints, that to me is just how it is with a line at GI Joe scale...you're going to get some reused molding. Especially with a line where the T-Rex models are essentially the same throughout all movies and most casual collectors out there dipping their toes into JP really only need one. These projects are meant to pull people into lines they don't typically collect. With that said the fact that reusing so many molds should probably lower the cost a bit is a valid criticism. It does make me wonder if it was possible to get this to $200 with all included if people would be more open to it. $50 bucks definitely makes a difference...especially after shipping and tax. But I still can't help but feel like people would be complaining. The criticisms about these types of things being so large it's hard to fill up a room I also find valid, but that I think makes it even easier to say if you don't have the room, you don't have to get it or you can make space. Not everyone has to have everything always even when it feels like that sometimes and that's something I think sometimes a lot of people lose sight of. I get being a perfectionist and wanting things but your life won't end not getting certain pieces if you can't afford it/don't have the room. Anyway, I'm still backing this and I was planning on backing the WCW stage to support my friends on that team. I am not a major fan of crowd-funding and the way it works in general but there are certain things that are undeniable necessities for me in regards to my collection, personally, and this is close to the top of the list. I can't stress enough this is like...a centerpiece and I can't imagine something else beyond this I would even want as much. I don't need a giant building like the visitor's center or anything like that. I also am going to have to get this shipped to an international address believe it or not so I was bummed to find that I wasn't able to back it right away, but I want the gates and everything included bad enough that I'm going to have it forwarded. If it hits 5k I will cancel my US order and have it shipped to me directly in my country of residence. I agree you with a lot of this. Hey, have you checked out Hasbro's Crowdfunds for GI Joe Classified and Marvel Legends. I can't wait for the HISSTank, and I'm backing the Dragonfly. Hope we get a reveal of the last tier as Airborne in his classic look. And I actually thought it was cool adding Glenda as she is a grail piece in 3.75. I'm REALLY hoping the Legends Crowdfund is Fin Fang Foom. I actually paid 450 for the 2008 one. But a HUGE one with all the bells and whistles would be great...and we'd probably get Mandarin as an unlock. Hasbro already confirmed the final tier won't be Airborne, as he will be a mainline release. Most predict it will be Hawk.
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Post by aggressiveperfector on Jul 8, 2023 9:08:23 GMT -5
I agree you with a lot of this. Hey, have you checked out Hasbro's Crowdfunds for GI Joe Classified and Marvel Legends. I can't wait for the HISSTank, and I'm backing the Dragonfly. Hope we get a reveal of the last tier as Airborne in his classic look. And I actually thought it was cool adding Glenda as she is a grail piece in 3.75. I'm REALLY hoping the Legends Crowdfund is Fin Fang Foom. I actually paid 450 for the 2008 one. But a HUGE one with all the bells and whistles would be great...and we'd probably get Mandarin as an unlock. Hasbro already confirmed the final tier won't be Airborne, as he will be a mainline release. Most predict it will be Hawk. I've heard that. I imagine it will be '82 Hawk, as '86 is set to be in the next wave revealed.
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Post by sandeep on Jul 8, 2023 11:13:18 GMT -5
Keep on making action figures that go with these era US exclusive , these offerings are destined to fail with this concept.
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