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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Sept 7, 2023 17:54:56 GMT -5
WM19 is still one of the best shows ever for me... easily in my top 5 WMs and possibly top 2 or 3 as well.
I'll say it'll always be hard to top this event but would you guys change anything about it?
Tbh I'd say its a pretty perfect card but maybe I'll have Austin vs Rock go on last like it was originally supposed to... maybe I'll announce ahead of time that it'll be Austins last match (until last year at WM38) or make it a loser leaves WWE match.
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 7, 2023 20:01:47 GMT -5
Nothing new: Booker wins. That’s it.
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Post by tmnt316 on Sept 7, 2023 20:15:21 GMT -5
Nothing new: Booker wins. That’s it. Maybe give a couple matches a little more time like Rey/Matt Hardy and the tag title match wasn't all that long from what I recall. |
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Post by hbkjason on Sept 8, 2023 0:06:36 GMT -5
Booker T winning the world title is the first thing that comes to my mind, but it is crazy to me that Kane and RVD were not on the actual show!
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Sept 8, 2023 2:12:51 GMT -5
Sunday Night Heat match on the card instead of Miller Lite cat fight
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Sept 8, 2023 2:14:25 GMT -5
It's still the second best Wrestlemania of all time
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 8, 2023 2:27:42 GMT -5
It is a great PPV, but I would have put the Storm/Morley vs. Kane/RVD match on the PPV for the Tag Titles instead of it being on Sunday Night Heat.
It's weird though to think guys like Hurricane, Christian, and Test didn't make the PPV that year. Especially with Hurricane pinning Rock on Raw weeks earlier.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Sept 8, 2023 6:31:18 GMT -5
It is a great PPV, but I would have put the Storm/Morley vs. Kane/RVD match on the PPV for the Tag Titles instead of it being on Sunday Night Heat. It's weird though to think guys like Hurricane, Christian, and Test didn't make the PPV that year. Especially with Hurricane pinning Rock on Raw weeks earlier. Let's not forget Triple H defeated Hurricane shortly after that in a quick match. The God damn Rock puts Hurricane over but Hunter won't even have a competitive match with him. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 8, 2023 8:56:28 GMT -5
To elaborate on my earlier post, Booker winning is the biggest change for me. There’s no reason I’ve ever heard that has convinced me that HHH winning was the right move based on where both guys were at and where they were going. HHH/Nash was a personal feud and didn’t need the world title. Booker went on to toil in the midcard for the next few years following this loss. HHH loosing wouldn’t have hurt him, and Booker winning would have made him for life.
Moving the Raw Tag Title match to the main show is another move I’d make. Eliminate the cat fight crap. If Booker was loosing, give Kane and RVD the win here.
I’d have just made Taker/Big Show a 1:1 match. I know they fought the previous PPV and Vince was trying to push Nathan Jones, but once they realized he was not ready to work a match they should have just made this a 1:1 match.
Give Rey and Matt some more time, and that’s really it. WM19 is a top-2 WM of all time for me and I love it. I wouldn’t change a ton and Booker winning is the only major change I’d make.
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Post by K5 on Sept 8, 2023 10:22:18 GMT -5
i forgot all about kane and rvd being a tag team. Kane has gotta have the most random tag partners in a career
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 8, 2023 10:36:29 GMT -5
To elaborate on my earlier post, Booker winning is the biggest change for me. There’s no reason I’ve ever heard that has convinced me that HHH winning was the right move based on where both guys were at and where they were going. HHH/Nash was a personal feud and didn’t need the world title. Booker went on to toil in the midcard for the next few years following this loss. HHH loosing wouldn’t have hurt him, and Booker winning would have made him for life.Moving the Raw Tag Title match to the main show is another move I’d make. Eliminate the cat fight crap. If Booker was loosing, give Kane and RVD the win here. I’d have just made Taker/Big Show a 1:1 match. I know they fought the previous PPV and Vince was trying to push Nathan Jones, but once they realized he was not ready to work a match they should have just made this a 1:1 match. Give Rey and Matt some more time, and that’s really it. WM19 is a top-2 WM of all time for me and I love it. I wouldn’t change a ton and Booker winning is the only major change I’d make.
If you look back now at it, you can see that Triple H was just defeating all of the former WCW World Champions.
Scott Steiner, Booker T, Kevin Nash, Goldberg.... if DDP wasn't injured then I am sure somehow he would have lost to Triple H as well.
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Post by Grenouille on Sept 8, 2023 12:13:15 GMT -5
Booker is an easy one. Maybe suggest to Brock to skip the shooting star.
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 8, 2023 12:31:16 GMT -5
To elaborate on my earlier post, Booker winning is the biggest change for me. There’s no reason I’ve ever heard that has convinced me that HHH winning was the right move based on where both guys were at and where they were going. HHH/Nash was a personal feud and didn’t need the world title. Booker went on to toil in the midcard for the next few years following this loss. HHH loosing wouldn’t have hurt him, and Booker winning would have made him for life.Moving the Raw Tag Title match to the main show is another move I’d make. Eliminate the cat fight crap. If Booker was loosing, give Kane and RVD the win here. I’d have just made Taker/Big Show a 1:1 match. I know they fought the previous PPV and Vince was trying to push Nathan Jones, but once they realized he was not ready to work a match they should have just made this a 1:1 match. Give Rey and Matt some more time, and that’s really it. WM19 is a top-2 WM of all time for me and I love it. I wouldn’t change a ton and Booker winning is the only major change I’d make. If you look back now at it, you can see that Triple H was just defeating all of the former WCW World Champions. Scott Steiner, Booker T, Kevin Nash, Goldberg.... if DDP wasn't injured then I am sure somehow he would have lost to Triple H as well. I actually liked the HHH/Nash feud and them playing up on their KLIQ past. My problem was that the world title became an afterthought early in the story. You take out the world title and the feud remains the same. During that time Booker and Jericho could have been feuding over the world title and nothing changes. HHH gets it back after the Nash feud and things go on as normal. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 8, 2023 14:05:23 GMT -5
If you look back now at it, you can see that Triple H was just defeating all of the former WCW World Champions. Scott Steiner, Booker T, Kevin Nash, Goldberg.... if DDP wasn't injured then I am sure somehow he would have lost to Triple H as well. I actually liked the HHH/Nash feud and them playing up on their KLIQ past. My problem was that the world title became an afterthought early in the story. You take out the world title and the feud remains the same. During that time Booker and Jericho could have been feuding over the world title and nothing changes. HHH gets it back after the Nash feud and things go on as normal.
Oh I agree totally with everything you say there. But Hunter was so dead set on being Ric Flair of the 2003 era that he had to defeat all the former WCW guys while being Champion. Imagine if Sting came to WWE in 2003 instead of going to TNA to do a few shows?? Triple H would have beaten Sting way faster than he did at the Wrestlemania 31 event!
Triple H's reign of terror in 2003 is one of the reasons why I was not a fan of Raw. Smackdown on the other hand in 2003.... top notch!
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 10, 2023 10:19:35 GMT -5
Booker beats HHH.
HHH vs Nash didn't need the belt at all. In fact it was hardly mentioned 🤔
I'll say this though...Bookers reign would have been forgettable. With Goldberg coming in & Evolution feuding with HBK/Nash? He gets lost pretty quickly.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 10, 2023 13:30:42 GMT -5
Booker beats HHH. HHH vs Nash didn't need the belt at all. In fact it was hardly mentioned 🤔 I'll say this though...Bookers reign would have been forgettable. With Goldberg coming in & Evolution feuding with HBK/Nash? He gets lost pretty quickly.
We did get the incredible Booker T vs. Christian feud for the IC Title in the summer of 2003 though!
So that's a positive of Booker not winning the title at Wrestlemania.
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Post by Evil Abed on Sept 10, 2023 13:55:08 GMT -5
Yea pretty much the same everyone else mentioned
Booker winning is obviously the biggest change.
Eliminate the Miller Lite Cat Fight Segment.
Kiss Fred Durst's @$$ just a little less. (aka WWE's favorite band in the whole world, lol)
The biggest changes I would have made -
Make Kane Taker's surprise tag partner after removing Nathan Jones and do Brothers of Destruction vs. A-train/Big Show.
Bring back the IC title earlier/never get rid of it in the first place (stupid decision) and do RVD/Christian for the IC title on the card.
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Post by PJ on Sept 12, 2023 15:46:31 GMT -5
I’m not one to want to change anything about past events. Are there things I wished were differently when they happened? Sure, but nothing I feel needed to be changed. Because by changing one thing I wished was different may affect something I liked in a negative way. Like if the Curtain call didn’t happen then Triple H isn’t punished and he win’s KotR as planned. Then there’s no Austin 3:16 and then we never get a pissed off Triple H’s “I am the Game” promo.
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Post by CM Tusk on Sept 13, 2023 1:26:18 GMT -5
WWE Championship: Angle vs Brock (Brock wins)
The Rock vs Stone Cold (Rock wins)
Vince Vs Hogan (Hogan wins)
World Championship: Triple H vs Nash (Triple H wins)
HBK vs Y2J (HBK wins)
WWE Tag Championship: Los Guerreros vs Benoit and Rhyno vs Team Angle vs Big Show and A-Train (Team Angle wins)
World Tag Championship: Dudley Boys vs Kane and RVD vs Booker T and Goldust (Kane and RVD win)
Undertaker vs Cena (Undertaker wins)
Women’s Championship: Trish vs Victoria vs Jazz (Trish wins)
Cruiserweight Championship: Matt Hardy vs Rey Mysterio (Rey wins)
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Post by McBlake on Sept 13, 2023 10:49:17 GMT -5
Booker beats Triple H and Mania 19 is widely regarded as a top 2-3 of all time. I've always believed that.
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