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Post by hulkjoegan on Mar 22, 2024 14:50:11 GMT -5
I dunno, I'd rather pay $40 and get 4 figures with an action, than pay more than half of that for a single figure with no action from a company that has yet to produce consistent results Not even Mattel is consistent so maybe take that hate elsewhere. Pretty sure they’re more like $60 a set too.
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Mar 22, 2024 15:03:39 GMT -5
I mean if you want to split hairs, let’s look at some of the problems Mattel has been having since Retros returned:
Figures are dusty/dirty/marked gouged still in package Bubbles falling off the card Cards showing up damaged even with 2 layers of protection Figures not being able to stand on their own/only in limited poses Inconsistent materials between heads and bodies Poor likeness Inaccurate outfits Frequent reuse of parts Poor choices for part usage Inaccurate skin tone Not including accessories most would want Including accessories no one asked for Broken/malfunctioning action features
We all want them to do better but let’s not pretend like any company is without fault…especially if you are going to bring consistency into the conversation.
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Mar 22, 2024 15:08:25 GMT -5
Not even Mattel is consistent so maybe take that hate elsewhere. Pretty sure they’re more like $60 a set too. In US stores maybe, the rest of the world has to buy online and pay $120 + shipping + customs for 4 retros...
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Post by sbayunco on Mar 22, 2024 15:49:09 GMT -5
Mitchs will look better than that happy meal toy mattels making. We're getting daveyd to death tho I dunno, I'd rather pay $40 and get 4 figures with an action, than pay more than half of that for a single figure with no action from a company that has yet to produce consistent results Same here. Mitch's will have visible seems and has a chance of falling apart when rotating the arms.
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Mar 22, 2024 17:02:35 GMT -5
I dunno, I'd rather pay $40 and get 4 figures with an action, than pay more than half of that for a single figure with no action from a company that has yet to produce consistent results Same here. Mitch's will have visible seems and has a chance of falling apart when rotating the arms. Hasbros have visible seams as well... Besides Mattel retros don't sell for $40 per 4-pack!
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Mar 22, 2024 21:11:54 GMT -5
I’m trying to remain fair to all sides: Mitch’s seams are a problem. They are an issue. They aren’t just visible lines; they are visible crevices that may lead to breaking. Duke and Oscar were better than the Godwins but not the level of quality that I believe they should be. Quebecers and Mero are likely my last pre orders if the issue has not improved by then. He and I discussed it one on one and he said he was committed to making improvements with the seams.
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Post by sbayunco on Mar 22, 2024 21:53:39 GMT -5
Same here. Mitch's will have visible seems and has a chance of falling apart when rotating the arms. Hasbros have visible seams as well... Besides Mattel retros don't sell for $40 per 4-pack! Nowhere near like buddy's. Lol. Take the hogwins and compare em to any recent Mattel. Big difference in quality.
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Post by sbayunco on Mar 22, 2024 21:54:42 GMT -5
I’m trying to remain fair to all sides: Mitch’s seams are a problem. They are an issue. They aren’t just visible lines; they are visible crevices that may lead to breaking. Duke and Oscar were better than the Godwins but not the level of quality that I believe they should be. Quebecers and Mero are likely my last pre orders if the issue has not improved by then. He and I discussed it one on one and he said he was committed to making improvements with the seams. I hope he keeps his word. I'd love for the quality to improve.
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Mar 23, 2024 3:26:27 GMT -5
Hasbros have visible seams as well... Besides Mattel retros don't sell for $40 per 4-pack! Nowhere near like buddy's. Lol. Take the hogwins and compare em to any recent Mattel. Big difference in quality. I said Hasbros, not Mattel... Hasttel: super small company, Mattel: mega corporation. Can't be compared, you're comparing Fisker to Tesla.
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Post by britishbrickfan on Mar 23, 2024 4:27:13 GMT -5
I said Hasbros, not Mattel... Hasttel: super small company, Mattel: mega corporation. Can't be compared, you're comparing Fisker to Tesla. and yet, because it's a smaller operation, Hasttel could have more of a hands on involvement with his own product, but he won't because it costs money.
take Epic for example - they receive samples from the factory, and clearly have rejected a few once in hand and got the factory to work on them again. Zombie obviously gets his samples in hand too, and has no doubt made changes once he's seen the prototypes in hand. Flying a few figures across from China isn't going to break the bank, but there may be a cost involved for postage.
and yet for some reason, Mitch's figures arrive en masse as one bulk shipment, and in each "reveal" video, he seems to look like he's trying to big up something that he's clearly seen there are issues with, but his attitude comes across as "Well, it's done now, gotta make the most of it!" and that's part of the problem with the seams - if he (the owner) is accepting that his own product is below par, how are we (the consumer) meant to have confidence that it will improve over time? He's making sales prior to seeing the figures, so by the time he's got the prototype or finished product in hand, he's already made the money on it, he doesn't need to waste more time making something "better" because it's already sold.
which is my entire gripe with the preorder system - if he had was selling the likes of Godwinns or yellow MoM based on the final products and not concept artwork, he'd have to improve the quality to drive sales. as we can see with Bulldog, he's still pushing out the artwork to drive hype, not the actual prototype models. he could have easily had a prototype in hand by now, and shown a painted sample of the "final" version, but he's still using renders.
that doesn't inspire me with confidence that his Bulldog figure will be as good as the artwork suggests, and I'd prefer to buy a Mattel Bulldog over taking a chance on a G+G figure which likely will feel like a rushed job once in hand.
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Post by walter7paisley on Mar 23, 2024 4:45:07 GMT -5
Those Mattel figures, besides Yankem and Blaze (who has a great mold that anyone making female wrestlers should take note of) look awful. That mold for Bulldog should have been ended after the god awful Warrior they put out. Shawn looks like a custom, and a shrunken one at that.
The G&G Davey looks great, provided it isn't in another bloody two-pack. My only concern with G&G is, again, their overall quality.
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Mar 23, 2024 8:01:35 GMT -5
I dunno, I'd rather pay $40 and get 4 figures with an action, than pay more than half of that for a single figure with no action from a company that has yet to produce consistent results Not even Mattel is consistent so maybe take that hate elsewhere. I get the original point he was making though, I think he means the final result matching the product shown at preorder. Mattel is inconsistent in not putting much effort into the designs, but they do deliver pretty much what is advertised when ordering. If Mitch irons out his quality issues and goes to a model of putting the figures up for sale only once final product is in hand like he did with King Mabel and the last version of MoM, I think he'd make many people happy.
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Mar 23, 2024 8:10:38 GMT -5
This is the look he went with (for reference): http://instagram.com/p/C40n24yOl7j So much later this year? My wallet thanks you.My hope is that he will do the RR95 outfit at some point: I think he wore those trunks at Surivor Series 94', so they work for me. Yeah, I'd of probably prefered Rumble, but at least they were used on one of my favorite PPVs. So, did Bulldog recently resign with WWE? Or was he just non-exclusive? Wonder why such a push to get so many Davey's out in the past few months.
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Post by casanova on Mar 23, 2024 8:51:59 GMT -5
I dunno, I'd rather pay $40 and get 4 figures with an action, than pay more than half of that for a single figure with no action from a company that has yet to produce consistent results Not even Mattel is consistent so maybe take that hate elsewhere. Why hate? As a supporter of the line who meanwhile owns every figure G&G have produced (minus the MOM repaints), I must admit that the quality of the line is sadly not consistent. MOM had the best quality amd were medicore/good at best.
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Post by walter7paisley on Mar 23, 2024 16:52:35 GMT -5
This is the look he went with (for reference): http://instagram.com/p/C40n24yOl7j So much later this year? My wallet thanks you.My hope is that he will do the RR95 outfit at some point: I think he wore those trunks at Surivor Series 94', so they work for me. Yeah, I'd of probably prefered Rumble, but at least they were used on one of my favorite PPVs. So, did Bulldog recently resign with WWE? Or was he just non-exclusive? Wonder why such a push to get so many Davey's out in the past few months. I'm all for lots and lots of Davey figures. But good ones. Hopefully Mitch sorts the quality out because he does have some good ideas. Epic just put out one of the best Davey figures I've ever seen, and it came with Dynamite bloody Kid for a very reasonable price and it's top notch. I'd like to see that level of service from the other companies.
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Post by RedDevil on Mar 23, 2024 17:04:31 GMT -5
This is the look he went with (for reference): http://instagram.com/p/C40n24yOl7j So much later this year? My wallet thanks you.My hope is that he will do the RR95 outfit at some point: I think he wore those trunks at Surivor Series 94', so they work for me. Yeah, I'd of probably prefered Rumble, but at least they were used on one of my favorite PPVs. So, did Bulldog recently resign with WWE? Or was he just non-exclusive? Wonder why such a push to get so many Davey's out in the past few months. Bulldog is I believe signed with the same agency that Macho and Andre are with who don't sign exclusive agreements for their talent (or something like that). Given all three have had WWE Legends contracts in the time they've been getting figures elsewhere then I'm surprised more aren't doing non-exclusive deals with WWE, but I'd guess those contracts are worth a lot less than the exclusive ones. Bret was said to have signed a massive WWE deal recently when he was being linked to FTR in AEW and he's someone you'd expect the independent companies to be battling over (Epic have certainly spoken about him being their dream signing). It'll be interesting to see if legends start taking "breaks" from their WWE Legends deals now there's money to be made outside the WWE umbrella.
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Mar 23, 2024 17:12:21 GMT -5
Not even Mattel is consistent so maybe take that hate elsewhere. Why hate? As a supporter of the line who meanwhile owns every figure G&G have produced (minus the MOM repaints), I must admit that the quality of the line is sadly not consistent. MOM had the best quality amd were medicore/good at best. Because it is misleading, hyperbolic, and creates an unfair comparison. I can go on but those seem like reasons enough.
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Post by casanova on Mar 24, 2024 1:24:13 GMT -5
Why hate? As a supporter of the line who meanwhile owns every figure G&G have produced (minus the MOM repaints), I must admit that the quality of the line is sadly not consistent. MOM had the best quality amd were medicore/good at best. Because it is misleading, hyperbolic, and creates an unfair comparison. I can go on but those seem like reasons enough. It’s not hate. The lack of quality Mitch is producing is THE major issue of the line. It makes you debate if you really want to continue supporting this line. Great characters, grear 3d sculpts (mostly) but the execution is not on the level you‘d expect for 40ish figures. Totally fair to repost this issue.
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Mar 24, 2024 21:40:38 GMT -5
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Post by britishbrickfan on Mar 25, 2024 3:24:10 GMT -5
good luck to anyone who takes the chance on the Bulldog preorder, the artwork looks great but I'm not prepared to risk money for a figure I've not seen the final version of, and thus have no confidence it will look as good as that render.
his preorder terms are quite clear too - no refunds. sorry, but you can't operate a business which takes preorders from people based on concept art, fail to produce something that at least matches the expectation set, and then refuse to refund unhappy customers (essentially the "Rush" business model)
technically in the UK, we can get refunds under the Sales of Goods Act, but that's a relationship between UK customers and Rock & Roll - not sure if US customers have any similar protections, but I'd rather wait till it's actually in consumers hands, before making a decision of whether or not to buy on the secondary market
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