eddiep
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Post by eddiep on Aug 11, 2024 5:16:38 GMT -5
Mattel don’t get enough credit for their ‘skin’ production finish. There’s a subtle grain on it that looks and feels more premium. Jazwares suffer from a cheaper shiny looking plastic and this looks like it’s got the same issue.
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Post by micco on Aug 11, 2024 7:29:24 GMT -5
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Post by Bandalero on Aug 11, 2024 9:29:39 GMT -5
Yeah I don't see anything wrong with the face sculpt. As Kyle would say - if you gave me this head I'd know it's double-J all day every day
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Aug 11, 2024 16:42:47 GMT -5
saw this at a specialty toy store. supposedly a premium product
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Post by iamcline on Aug 11, 2024 19:12:30 GMT -5
Why does ZST get so much unnecessary criticism? His releases are excellent, QC on point. Prices are fair, shipping secure.
Yet I come on here and people are finding the silliest little thing to nitpick on and these same folks don't even buy the product, lol.
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@Chair.Shot
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Aug 11, 2024 20:55:58 GMT -5
Why does ZST get so much unnecessary criticism? His releases are excellent, QC on point. Prices are fair, shipping secure. Yet I come on here and people are finding the silliest little thing to nitpick on and these same folks don't even buy the product, lol. People who do petty things tend to reap what they sow. Zombie doesn’t take criticism well. Years ago when he posted on here as himself, he did a rage quit. I honestly couldn’t tell you what all went down because I don’t remember and it has since been deleted (at least some of it anyhow). So long before delivering products, he helped to create a negative reputation. That has only continued throughout social media (blocking people for petty things, creating drama, and being blatantly dishonest). From the sounds of it, his customer service via email and other forms of messaging aren’t any better. On another level, he promotes a premium product that he markets as being perfect so people like to throw it back at him when he delivers anything less than that. If he did it in a less boastful way, people might not care as much but it seems to have gotten under a lot of people’s skin resulting in what you asked about. On a personal level, I’ll buy from just about anyone if it benefits my collection. My happiness revolves around that more than the nonsense of the people behind the scenes.
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mrh
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Post by mrh on Aug 11, 2024 21:21:04 GMT -5
Yeah I don't see anything wrong with the face sculpt. As Kyle would say - if you gave me this head I'd know it's double-J all day every day I guess we can agree to disagree. If you go back, you'll see I've posted really positive things about some figs he did lately, so not out to get him. I just think it's a terrible head when compared to Mattel sculpts.
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Post by walter7paisley on Aug 12, 2024 1:10:32 GMT -5
Why does ZST get so much unnecessary criticism? His releases are excellent, QC on point. Prices are fair, shipping secure. Yet I come on here and people are finding the silliest little thing to nitpick on and these same folks don't even buy the product, lol. It's simple, really. He promotes his product as the best - to follow in the footsteps of Hasbro, and of the current retro lines. His product is pretty far from being either, in many people's opinion, and yet ZST acts like one of the biggest trolls around. So if something goes wrong with his figures, people can and will likely point it out. It is what it is.
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Post by misterfigi on Aug 12, 2024 5:03:05 GMT -5
Why does ZST get so much unnecessary criticism? His releases are excellent, QC on point. Prices are fair, shipping secure. Yet I come on here and people are finding the silliest little thing to nitpick on and these same folks don't even buy the product, lol. I never read any complaints about the price or people getting packages in bad condition.
I am curious which criticisms were unnecessary?
I have read some that I dont agree with (they need to look like Hasbro? Not so much for me.) but those complaints and every other complaint I have read are 100% true. They do not look like Hasbros, he does act like a prick to his customers, he does practice shady sales tactics, he does lie about stuff being in stock when it is not, the arms are too long on many of the characters in some peoples opinion.
I have not been on here too long but not once have I read any critique that was not valid.
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Post by mrtheiphonekid on Aug 12, 2024 12:10:22 GMT -5
Why does ZST get so much unnecessary criticism? His releases are excellent, QC on point. Prices are fair, shipping secure. Yet I come on here and people are finding the silliest little thing to nitpick on and these same folks don't even buy the product, lol. This forum has always been full of people who are particularly neurotic about their toys to the extent that it seems the hobby brings them more stress than joy, even compared to other internet action figure communities. I'm confused by the complaints a lot of the time, but it's what you sign up for when you release a product line like this. When setting out to not only iterate on, but improve upon one of the most beloved toy lines of all time, you're not actually being compared to those who preceded you or your contemporaries, you're being compared to a platonic ideal of excellence. If you polled a random sample of unbiased observers and asked them to choose which are better, Hasbros or ZSTs, I think ZST (or almost any of the new retro-style toy lines) would win handily. But many* collectors don't really want a figure that looks like a Hasbro, they want a figure that makes them feel the same way the Hasbros did when they were a kid on Christmas morning. IIRC, it's been discussed by the guys on the Major Pod that much of the work of operating a successful toy line like this is giving people what they don't know they want yet. It's a delicate balance between listening to direct feedback and doing educated guesswork and extrapolation, and there are bound to be misses. *There are, of course, some collectors who truly want the most authentic Hasbro-like figures they can possibly get, and prefer some of the other independent retro-style offerings for that reason. But I think that a lot of people's complaints are a frustrated lamentation over what a figure could have been in their mind, not an issue with what the figure actually is, which is usually ing fantastic. Sorry to post a longwinded rant about some toys. I just came to post that my Gage vs. Cardona 2-pack arrived and its phenomenal, and I find this stuff interesting as someone who wasn't alive in the Hasbro days and thinks ZST is the highest quality wrestling figure line out right now despite my not recognizing a solid 1/3 of the talent in the line, lol.
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Aug 12, 2024 12:31:54 GMT -5
Your long-winded speech mrtheiphonekid is gimmick infringement, brother! Very well said though. Many of us are pining for receiving a figure that makes us channel feelings like the ones we had long ago when Hasbros were still being made. I think there exists a level of frustration and even resentment over the resources Zombie has versus what he is choosing to do with them. It’s similar to anyone who watches sports and comments on what the team should have done, or fantasy booking wrestling. You see all of the tools and the talent are there but things are not being executed how you want them to be. I feel like many of the same people who have no complaints about the way things are now probably wouldn’t have any complaints if Zombie made many of the changes people have been pointing out…so why not be constructive with some of that criticism? That’s really what I have never understood and part of what has created a negative stigma.
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Post by eddiep on Aug 12, 2024 12:46:24 GMT -5
I’m not bias to any of the Retro companies. I buy Zombies, G&G and Epics. I will say that from the figures I have from all three, Zombies feel the best and also have the best Quality control. Mine have all been flawless. 2nd would be Epic (Chellas weren’t great). My bulldogs were good although the shine on their toros was stronger on one side. You could even see a visible split where the skin wasn’t as shiny on one side. This was annoying. G&G is 3rd. Mine have some shocking paint issues but they have improved.
Personally I’m happy we’re getting such a variety from all three companies. If I had to pick one company to stay and 2 to go, I’d pick Zombies.
I along with most though do wish that he’d shorten the arms a little if there is no angled pose to them.
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Post by mrtheiphonekid on Aug 12, 2024 16:47:22 GMT -5
Your long-winded speech mrtheiphonekid is gimmick infringement, brother! Very well said though. Many of us are pining for receiving a figure that makes us channel feelings like the ones we had long ago when Hasbros were still being made. I think there exists a level of frustration and even resentment over the resources Zombie has versus what he is choosing to do with them. It’s similar to anyone who watches sports and comments on what the team should have done, or fantasy booking wrestling. You see all of the tools and the talent are there but things are not being executed how you want them to be. I feel like many of the same people who have no complaints about the way things are now probably wouldn’t have any complaints if Zombie made many of the changes people have been pointing out…so why not be constructive with some of that criticism? That’s really what I have never understood and part of what has created a negative stigma. I definitely agree about criticism, much of it is valid and can be used to improve the product. I just think that the tone of the discourse is kinda vitriolic at times. Ultimately, people have the right to complain about whatever they want and it doesn't necessarily have to be productive, it's just kinda a bummer when I see people bending themselves and others out of shape about small details. We should all strive to land somewhere between "graciously accept whatever is presented without any critique," and "agonize over every little perceived fault to the detriment of your own happiness".
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Post by Roy Alrumblay on Aug 12, 2024 18:24:44 GMT -5
Why does ZST get so much unnecessary criticism? His releases are excellent, QC on point. Prices are fair, shipping secure. Yet I come on here and people are finding the silliest little thing to nitpick on and these same folks don't even buy the product, lol. I’ve only seen ZST get necessary criticism tbh.
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Post by g4 on Aug 13, 2024 13:19:10 GMT -5
Why does ZST get so much unnecessary criticism? His releases are excellent, QC on point. Prices are fair, shipping secure. Yet I come on here and people are finding the silliest little thing to nitpick on and these same folks don't even buy the product, lol. Did you look at the pic posted right above your post?
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Aug 13, 2024 13:42:22 GMT -5
Why does ZST get so much unnecessary criticism? His releases are excellent, QC on point. Prices are fair, shipping secure. Yet I come on here and people are finding the silliest little thing to nitpick on and these same folks don't even buy the product, lol. Did you look at the pic posted right above your post? I think it was in *response* to that which is even stranger. Why's Slick's hat removable in *that way* anyhow? Why does he not have a scalp?
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Post by walter7paisley on Aug 13, 2024 14:34:18 GMT -5
Your long-winded speech mrtheiphonekid is gimmick infringement, brother! Very well said though. Many of us are pining for receiving a figure that makes us channel feelings like the ones we had long ago when Hasbros were still being made. I think there exists a level of frustration and even resentment over the resources Zombie has versus what he is choosing to do with them. It’s similar to anyone who watches sports and comments on what the team should have done, or fantasy booking wrestling. You see all of the tools and the talent are there but things are not being executed how you want them to be. I feel like many of the same people who have no complaints about the way things are now probably wouldn’t have any complaints if Zombie made many of the changes people have been pointing out…so why not be constructive with some of that criticism? That’s really what I have never understood and part of what has created a negative stigma. I definitely agree about criticism, much of it is valid and can be used to improve the product. I just think that the tone of the discourse is kinda vitriolic at times. Ultimately, people have the right to complain about whatever they want and it doesn't necessarily have to be productive, it's just kinda a bummer when I see people bending themselves and others out of shape about small details. We should all strive to land somewhere between "graciously accept whatever is presented without any critique," and "agonize over every little perceived fault to the detriment of your own happiness". At the end of the day, it's all just waffle. Everyone here likes to waffle about wrestling figures. It's nothing serious. We all have different opinions, but it's no big deal.
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Post by britishbrickfan on Aug 14, 2024 1:23:15 GMT -5
Why's Slick's hat removable in *that way* anyhow? Why does he not have a scalp? because it was clearly cheaper/easier for the factory to manufacture a hat designed to fit onto a peg, rather than a hat that can be removed and fit on pretty much any figure
obviously Zombie's rationale is "Slick wasn't seen without one" so he doesn't care, but that connection is dreadful. considering he's charging the same price as an Ultimate figure, I believe it should have been a proper head and a normal hat, or gone with the non-removable option like Mattel's Volkoff
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Post by mrh on Aug 14, 2024 3:59:08 GMT -5
Why's Slick's hat removable in *that way* anyhow? Why does he not have a scalp? because it was clearly cheaper/easier for the factory to manufacture a hat designed to fit onto a peg, rather than a hat that can be removed and fit on pretty much any figure
obviously Zombie's rationale is "Slick wasn't seen without one" so he doesn't care, but that connection is dreadful. considering he's charging the same price as an Ultimate figure, I believe it should have been a proper head and a normal hat, or gone with the non-removable option like Mattel's Volkoff
Well it's not really removable. It's just not affixed well.
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Post by MKSavage on Aug 14, 2024 7:58:48 GMT -5
Why's Slick's hat removable in *that way* anyhow? Why does he not have a scalp? because it was clearly cheaper/easier for the factory to manufacture a hat designed to fit onto a peg, rather than a hat that can be removed and fit on pretty much any figure
obviously Zombie's rationale is "Slick wasn't seen without one" so he doesn't care, but that connection is dreadful. considering he's charging the same price as an Ultimate figure, I believe it should have been a proper head and a normal hat, or gone with the non-removable option like Mattel's Volkoff
I thought they were supposed to be removable. He made three versions, 3 different designed hats that you could mix and match, correct? Also, anytime they make hats to fit over the wrestler's head, it is always too bulky. These seem to be made to fit snuggly on his head like how it should look when wearing a hat.
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