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Post by The Brain on Nov 19, 2023 10:15:19 GMT -5
Seemed like every Detroit show we would see this fan... So, you traveled to Detroit a lot to see your hero...
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Post by MKSavage on Nov 20, 2023 13:47:27 GMT -5
Just watched Halloween Havoc 1995 and 1996. The 1995 event wasn't very good, some ridiculous stuff going on here. The only thing I really liked was the Savage/Luger feud. The 1996 event was a bit better.
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Post by JokerFC on Nov 20, 2023 20:06:04 GMT -5
Just watched Halloween Havoc 1995 and 1996. The 1995 event wasn't very good, some ridiculous stuff going on here. The only thing I really liked was the Savage/Luger feud. The 1996 event was a bit better. I really enjoy HH96...it feels big time.
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Post by The Brain on Nov 20, 2023 20:24:31 GMT -5
Dean/Rey from 96 is a strong candidate for best opener in the events history
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Post by JokerFC on Nov 20, 2023 23:24:59 GMT -5
Dean/Rey from 96 is a strong candidate for best opener in the events history yup....I also liked the ME, again? it felt big and Hogan's face when Piper shows up...brilliant.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Nov 20, 2023 23:41:38 GMT -5
Halloween Havoc 95 gave us Hulk Hogan killing the Giant though ha ha ha If you put the volume up high you can hear Giant hit the mesh netting that was there to catch him.
That monster truck fight was probably the dumbest thing I seen at that time.
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Post by The Brain on Nov 20, 2023 23:44:34 GMT -5
Halloween Havoc 95 gave us Hulk Hogan killing the Giant though ha ha ha If you put the volume up high you can hear Giant hit the mesh netting that was there to catch him. That monster truck fight was probably the dumbest thing I seen at that time. I still laugh when he falls Hogan yells ''help!'' like someone can do anything at that point lol
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Post by JokerFC on Nov 21, 2023 0:35:03 GMT -5
Halloween Havoc 95 gave us Hulk Hogan killing the Giant though ha ha ha If you put the volume up high you can hear Giant hit the mesh netting that was there to catch him. That monster truck fight was probably the dumbest thing I seen at that time. The 83 weeks episode about HH 95 with Bischoff is absolutely hilarious as they are going through this. You can tell he's genuinely mortified by the Dungeon of Doom...LOL
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Post by hbkjason on Nov 21, 2023 0:37:41 GMT -5
Halloween Havoc due to the Halloween theming was always my favorite WCW event. Halloween Havoc 98 was my peak as a WCW fan. It was the most stacked card WCW ever had, yes, I know that the outcome of the event was not great, but the lead up to it was massive and on paper I really do not think they ever put together a card as epic as this one. Just sucks the way it all turned out, to be fair, I watched this event not too long ago and while not great, it is not a huge trainwreck. Back in 1998, after WrestleMania and Royal Rumble, this was my biggest show of the year and there is not much in it between the three for which one I was most excited about.
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Post by koreygunz on Nov 21, 2023 18:50:32 GMT -5
Havoc 96 was the first wcw ppv I ever ordered. I was hooked by the nWo and Hogan heel turn at this time. Really good show, and I was totally surprised by Pipers debut too.
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Post by y2james on Nov 21, 2023 22:19:03 GMT -5
Raven vs Jericho for TV Title, Halloween Havoc 1998
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Post by MKSavage on Nov 22, 2023 23:26:11 GMT -5
Just finished two more Halloween Havoc's; 1997 and 1998. The 1997 show was pretty good, Savage/DDP and Guerrero/Mysterio matches were definitely the best of the show. The Hogan/Piper match wasn't too bad, definitely a better way to go with them having a cage match/fight instead of a traditional wrestling match. I can't remember, but why was the title not on the line? Piper won by sleeper but didn't get the belt. Flair and Perfect was decent, but I feel like they should have milked this feud a bit, maybe save it for the Starrcade show; really sell the injury to Flair at War Games to build Perfect strong. Also, Jericho took a horrible bump in his match, could have been disastrous.
Here we go, the review for the 1998 event. To be honest, it wasn't as bad as I remember. Nothing was too horrible about the event, there just wasn't anything great. And it should have been, they put the card together well, meaning they arranged the matches in the right order. But for whatever reason, none of the matches had a nice flow to it, they all just seemed to be lacking something. Maybe it was the audience, they really didn't seem to care too much about anything. They popped from time to time in some matches, but they never cheered/or were engaged for an entire match. The DDP/Goldberg match was the best of the event (in my opinion), DDP did a good job building up Goldberg really strong, he sold everything really well. And even Goldberg did a good job, he really sold the arm/shoulder injury. This seemed to be the only match that the fans were really into. Both the Hall/Nash and Sting/Bret matches were fine, nothing great. But the fans just didn't seem to care too much. They would cheer when Sting would make his comebacks, but other than that, they were dead. The Bret/Sting match just didn't seem to get any traction. There was nothing wrong with anything they did, but it just didn't seem to work. Same with the Hall/Nash match, nothing they did in the match was bad, it just seemed bland. Another thing about this event, they did the ref bump spot in 4 or 5 of the matches. By the time they did it in the Hogan/Warrior match, it was played out. You got the sense that the fans were thinking, not this again...
Now to the Hogan/Warrior match. I'll be honest, it wasn't as bad as I remembered it either. It was a bit sloppy at times, and Hogan and Warrior seemed to be off on a few moves, but it wasn't the crap show I remembered it being. And, after watching it again, it didn't seem like Warrior was the biggest problem in the match. Hogan seemed to mess up a few spots, not Warrior. And the producer's kind of messed up the fire ball spot (as well as Hogan). The camera is not supposed to focus on the person using the fireball (in this case Hogan), they are supposed to focus on the recipient of the fireball (in this case Warrior), this way it looks like it comes out of nowhere. But the camera followed Hogan into the corner, so we saw everything. We saw Hogan take it out of his tights, open the baggy, and him trying to light it. I also wonder if they had to call an audible because the fireball spot didn't work. It looks like that would have been the end of the match; the fireball would have hit Warrior, then Hogan would have dropped the leg and got the 1-2-3. It kind of looked like the announcers were a bit lost after the missed fireball spot, and the ending looked rushed with Horace coming to the ring with Bischoff. Very strange.
In the end, the HH 98 event could have been a big success, they had the wrestlers and the feuds/storylines to make it happen, but it just turned into another Starrcade 1997. It definitely didn't help that the feed got cut for a lot of viewers right at the end of the Warrior/Hogan match, so they didn't even get to see the best match of the night.
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Post by The Brain on Nov 22, 2023 23:44:33 GMT -5
Just finished two more Halloween Havoc's; 1997 and 1998. The 1997 show was pretty good, Savage/DDP and Guerrero/Mysterio matches were definitely the best of the show. The Hogan/Piper match wasn't too bad, definitely a better way to go with them having a cage match/fight instead of a traditional wrestling match. I can't remember, but why was the title not on the line? Piper won by sleeper but didn't get the belt. Flair and Perfect was decent, but I feel like they should have milked this feud a bit, maybe save it for the Starrcade show; really sell the injury to Flair at War Games to build Perfect strong. Also, Jericho took a horrible bump in his match, could have been disastrous. Here we go, the review for the 1998 event. To be honest, it wasn't as bad as I remember. Nothing was too horrible about the event, there just wasn't anything great. And it should have been, they put the card together well, meaning they arranged the matches in the right order. But for whatever reason, none of the matches had a nice flow to it, they all just seemed to be lacking something. Maybe it was the audience, they really didn't seem to care too much about anything. They popped from time to time in some matches, but they never cheered/or were engaged for an entire match. The DDP/Goldberg match was the best of the event (in my opinion), DDP did a good job building up Goldberg really strong, he sold everything really well. And even Goldberg did a good job, he really sold the arm/shoulder injury. This seemed to be the only match that the fans were really into. Both the Hall/Nash and Sting/Bret matches were fine, nothing great. But the fans just didn't seem to care too much. They would cheer when Sting would make his comebacks, but other than that, they were dead. The Bret/Sting match just didn't seem to get any traction. There was nothing wrong with anything they did, but it just didn't seem to work. Same with the Hall/Nash match, nothing they did in the match was bad, it just seemed bland. Another thing about this event, they did the ref bump spot in 4 or 5 of the matches. By the time they did it in the Hogan/Warrior match, it was played out. You got the sense that the fans were thinking, not this again... Now to the Hogan/Warrior match. I'll be honest, it wasn't as bad as I remembered it either. It was a bit sloppy at times, and Hogan and Warrior seemed to be off on a few moves, but it wasn't the crap show I remembered it being. And, after watching it again, it didn't seem like Warrior was the biggest problem in the match. Hogan seemed to mess up a few spots, not Warrior. And the producer's kind of messed up the fire ball spot (as well as Hogan). The camera is not supposed to focus on the person using the fireball (in this case Hogan), they are supposed to focus on the recipient of the fireball (in this case Warrior), this way it looks like it comes out of nowhere. But the camera followed Hogan into the corner, so we saw everything. We saw Hogan take it out of his tights, open the baggy, and him trying to light it. I also wonder if they had to call an audible because the fireball spot didn't work. It looks like that would have been the end of the match; the fireball would have hit Warrior, then Hogan would have dropped the leg and got the 1-2-3. It kind of looked like the announcers were a bit lost after the missed fireball spot, and the ending looked rushed with Horace coming to the ring with Bischoff. Very strange. In the end, the HH 98 event could have been a big success, they had the wrestlers and the feuds/storylines to make it happen, but it just turned into another Starrcade 1997. It definitely didn't help that the feed got cut for a lot of viewers right at the end of the Warrior/Hogan match, so they didn't even get to see the best match of the night. Just like Starrcade 96....Hogan BS politics
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Post by MKSavage on Nov 23, 2023 0:55:05 GMT -5
Just finished two more Halloween Havoc's; 1997 and 1998. The 1997 show was pretty good, Savage/DDP and Guerrero/Mysterio matches were definitely the best of the show. The Hogan/Piper match wasn't too bad, definitely a better way to go with them having a cage match/fight instead of a traditional wrestling match. I can't remember, but why was the title not on the line? Piper won by sleeper but didn't get the belt. Flair and Perfect was decent, but I feel like they should have milked this feud a bit, maybe save it for the Starrcade show; really sell the injury to Flair at War Games to build Perfect strong. Also, Jericho took a horrible bump in his match, could have been disastrous. Here we go, the review for the 1998 event. To be honest, it wasn't as bad as I remember. Nothing was too horrible about the event, there just wasn't anything great. And it should have been, they put the card together well, meaning they arranged the matches in the right order. But for whatever reason, none of the matches had a nice flow to it, they all just seemed to be lacking something. Maybe it was the audience, they really didn't seem to care too much about anything. They popped from time to time in some matches, but they never cheered/or were engaged for an entire match. The DDP/Goldberg match was the best of the event (in my opinion), DDP did a good job building up Goldberg really strong, he sold everything really well. And even Goldberg did a good job, he really sold the arm/shoulder injury. This seemed to be the only match that the fans were really into. Both the Hall/Nash and Sting/Bret matches were fine, nothing great. But the fans just didn't seem to care too much. They would cheer when Sting would make his comebacks, but other than that, they were dead. The Bret/Sting match just didn't seem to get any traction. There was nothing wrong with anything they did, but it just didn't seem to work. Same with the Hall/Nash match, nothing they did in the match was bad, it just seemed bland. Another thing about this event, they did the ref bump spot in 4 or 5 of the matches. By the time they did it in the Hogan/Warrior match, it was played out. You got the sense that the fans were thinking, not this again... Now to the Hogan/Warrior match. I'll be honest, it wasn't as bad as I remembered it either. It was a bit sloppy at times, and Hogan and Warrior seemed to be off on a few moves, but it wasn't the crap show I remembered it being. And, after watching it again, it didn't seem like Warrior was the biggest problem in the match. Hogan seemed to mess up a few spots, not Warrior. And the producer's kind of messed up the fire ball spot (as well as Hogan). The camera is not supposed to focus on the person using the fireball (in this case Hogan), they are supposed to focus on the recipient of the fireball (in this case Warrior), this way it looks like it comes out of nowhere. But the camera followed Hogan into the corner, so we saw everything. We saw Hogan take it out of his tights, open the baggy, and him trying to light it. I also wonder if they had to call an audible because the fireball spot didn't work. It looks like that would have been the end of the match; the fireball would have hit Warrior, then Hogan would have dropped the leg and got the 1-2-3. It kind of looked like the announcers were a bit lost after the missed fireball spot, and the ending looked rushed with Horace coming to the ring with Bischoff. Very strange. In the end, the HH 98 event could have been a big success, they had the wrestlers and the feuds/storylines to make it happen, but it just turned into another Starrcade 1997. It definitely didn't help that the feed got cut for a lot of viewers right at the end of the Warrior/Hogan match, so they didn't even get to see the best match of the night. Just like Starrcade 96....Hogan BS politics Amazing that he let someone beat Hogan cleanly.
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Post by The Brain on Nov 23, 2023 1:18:57 GMT -5
Just like Starrcade 96....Hogan BS politics Amazing that he let someone beat Hogan cleanly. IIRC Sullivan said for the Starrcade match they wanted to give Piper a title run but Hogan was not going along with it so it was made non title in the end. I assume here was pretty much the same situation.As long as he didnt lose the belt I guess he was fine with taking the L The clusterF*** known as Starrcade 97 shows you all you need to know about Hogan and his ego. He knew he had to drop it to Sting and look at the finish we got
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Post by MKSavage on Nov 23, 2023 1:28:29 GMT -5
Amazing that he let someone beat Hogan cleanly. IIRC Sullivan said for the Starrcade match they wanted to give Piper a title run but Hogan was not going along with it so it was made non title in the end. I assume here was pretty much the same situation.As long as he didnt lose the belt I guess he was fine with taking the L The clusterF*** known as Starrcade 97 shows you all you need to know about Hogan and his ego. He knew he had to drop it to Sting and look at the finish we got I never knew that. Giving Piper a short run with the big gold in 1996/97 would have been great. Hogan could have regained it at the following Super Brawl in 1997. He (Piper) shouldn't have gotten it in the fall of 1997, though. By then, the title and defeat of Hogan clearly belonged to Sting. By the end of 1997, the fans were ready for someone to finally beat Hogan cleanly and start turning the tide against the NWO. Sting was the one who should have done that by beating Hogan at Starrcade 1997, and there should have been no chaos or confusion about it. If Hogan was not happy with how Sting looked at the event, he should have still gone along with the original plans, then politic afterwards to get the belt back. Hogan could have won the belt back at one of the PPV's in the spring of 1998 if it meant that much to him, but Sting needed and deserved the title at that point. It must have been maddening for the booking committee dealing with Hogan's creative control.
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Post by The Brain on Nov 23, 2023 1:38:17 GMT -5
IIRC Sullivan said for the Starrcade match they wanted to give Piper a title run but Hogan was not going along with it so it was made non title in the end. I assume here was pretty much the same situation.As long as he didnt lose the belt I guess he was fine with taking the L The clusterF*** known as Starrcade 97 shows you all you need to know about Hogan and his ego. He knew he had to drop it to Sting and look at the finish we got I never knew that. Giving Piper a short run with the big gold in 1996/97 would have been great. Hogan could have regained it at the following Super Brawl in 1997. He (Piper) shouldn't have gotten it in the fall of 1997, though. By then, the title and defeat of Hogan clearly belonged to Sting. By the end of 1997, the fans were ready for someone to finally beat Hogan cleanly and start turning the tide against the NWO. Sting was the one who should have done that by beating Hogan at Starrcade 1997, and there should have been no chaos or confusion about it. If Hogan was not happy with how Sting looked at the event, he should have still gone along with the original plans, then politic afterwards to get the belt back. Hogan could have won the belt back at one of the PPV's in the spring of 1998 if it meant that much to him, but Sting needed and deserved the title at that point. It must have been maddening for the booking committee dealing with Hogan's creative control. After how he was brought in at Havoc 96, Piper winning the big one at Starrcade just made sense. Like you said have em drop it at SuperBrawl thanks to the Mach interference Sting no doubt was all messed up with his personal life and such in 97 but still its a match that wrote itself. The finish just REEKS of Hogan and his creative control
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Post by MKSavage on Nov 23, 2023 1:41:35 GMT -5
I never knew that. Giving Piper a short run with the big gold in 1996/97 would have been great. Hogan could have regained it at the following Super Brawl in 1997. He (Piper) shouldn't have gotten it in the fall of 1997, though. By then, the title and defeat of Hogan clearly belonged to Sting. By the end of 1997, the fans were ready for someone to finally beat Hogan cleanly and start turning the tide against the NWO. Sting was the one who should have done that by beating Hogan at Starrcade 1997, and there should have been no chaos or confusion about it. If Hogan was not happy with how Sting looked at the event, he should have still gone along with the original plans, then politic afterwards to get the belt back. Hogan could have won the belt back at one of the PPV's in the spring of 1998 if it meant that much to him, but Sting needed and deserved the title at that point. It must have been maddening for the booking committee dealing with Hogan's creative control. After how he was brought in at Havoc 96, Piper winning the big one at Starrcade just made sense. Like you said have em drop it at SuperBrawl thanks to the Mach interference
Sting no doubt was all messed up with his personal life and such in 97 but still its a match that wrote itself. The finish just REEKS of Hogan and his creative control Yep, it would have been a great way to bring Macho into the NWO, costing Piper the big gold belt and giving the NWO a big win over WCW.
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Post by The Brain on Nov 23, 2023 1:45:07 GMT -5
After how he was brought in at Havoc 96, Piper winning the big one at Starrcade just made sense. Like you said have em drop it at SuperBrawl thanks to the Mach interference
Sting no doubt was all messed up with his personal life and such in 97 but still its a match that wrote itself. The finish just REEKS of Hogan and his creative control Yep, it would have been a great way to bring Macho into the NWO, costing Piper the big gold belt and giving the NWO a big win over WCW. And as life long Hot Rod fan, just to see em one time hold a World Title. man....
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Post by MKSavage on Nov 23, 2023 1:47:25 GMT -5
Yep, it would have been a great way to bring Macho into the NWO, costing Piper the big gold belt and giving the NWO a big win over WCW. And as life long Hot Rod fan, just to see em one time hold a World Title. man.... Would have been nice:
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