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Post by Chip on Mar 8, 2024 11:01:56 GMT -5
Ive never paid $300 for an action figure. A fool and their money though. If you’re so hard up for a “life changing event” that you’re banking on your action figure collection to bail you out, then you need to re prioritise life. We spend $35 or less retail on these so I’m not fussed over secondary market prices. Have I sold stuff and made a profit, yes. Do I expect it? No, I have a job and the kids I don’t have college fund isn’t wrestling figures. Y’all do you though. Live and let live So you’ve sold a figure for profit before? Seems like everything you’re against… No one ever said they were hard up for money. It’s nice to have something appreciate in value. Simple as that. Never banking on it though. Ten years ago, I sold my Classic Superstars collection to pay off the last few thousand of my student loans. That was pretty nice. Don’t see a problem there. Collections CAN be an invest. They don’t have to be, but it still hurts nonetheless to see something depreciate in value. And there’s really no need for name calling. You may not spend that money, but other people might be willing. Depends on the item. I would never spend thousands on a pair of shoes, and I don’t really understand it, but they’re not fools. It’s their money that they worked for. They can do whatever they want with it. You can’t say “live and let live” and call people fools in the same message. According to most people on here, you shouldn't have been able to do that. Only should have sold them for retail because it's not fair that people just starting to collect now didn't have a chance to get the Classic Giant Gonzalez or Mr. Fuji |
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Post by mikedanger on Mar 8, 2024 11:06:03 GMT -5
Enough arguing, jeez. It doesn't change that they are being released. nobody is "arguing" smh, people can't have a legitimate debate about an opinion without it being perceived as this major argument that should get a thread shut down what is the point of a forum if people can't discuss a topic? everyone should just reply to threads with "omg yay! so cool!" and move on? OMG YAY! SO COOL! Apologies, maybe b****ing would have been a better word? |
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Mar 8, 2024 11:07:43 GMT -5
What? You don’t buy something automatically because it’s more expensive. Never once said that and doesn’t relate to any of my points. Nice try though. If anything, you got a great deal and over time your ten dollar purchase was valued around $200. That’s the fun part of collecting that I’ve been talking about this whole time. That should be a good thing. I don’t see why or how anyone could perceive that as a negative.because anyone who "collects for value" is apparently an idiot and wastes their time according to most people on this forum. you should only collect for fun and buy what you like. monetary value is meaningless. and things are "only worth the value we place on them" Yes, because they’re toys. Not asking for a participation “trophy” just asking for things that are supposed to bring joy, not frustration, to be readily available for those that want them. It’s like when Nintendo under produces and creates false scarcity. I don’t agree with it. There’s enough crap to actually have to save and fight for in life. Let toys be toys… |
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Mar 8, 2024 11:09:54 GMT -5
So you’ve sold a figure for profit before? Seems like everything you’re against… No one ever said they were hard up for money. It’s nice to have something appreciate in value. Simple as that. Never banking on it though. Ten years ago, I sold my Classic Superstars collection to pay off the last few thousand of my student loans. That was pretty nice. Don’t see a problem there. Collections CAN be an invest. They don’t have to be, but it still hurts nonetheless to see something depreciate in value. And there’s really no need for name calling. You may not spend that money, but other people might be willing. Depends on the item. I would never spend thousands on a pair of shoes, and I don’t really understand it, but they’re not fools. It’s their money that they worked for. They can do whatever they want with it. You can’t say “live and let live” and call people fools in the same message. According to most people on here, you shouldn't have been able to do that. Only should have sold them for retail because it's not fair that people just starting to collect now didn't have a chance to get the Classic Giant Gonzalez or Mr. Fuji I wasn’t aware Jakks still made WWE classic superstars and were rereleasing those characters. |
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Post by AxelSmackdown on Mar 8, 2024 12:04:43 GMT -5
where’s rock to call you all the mattel crybabies
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Post by crush on Mar 8, 2024 12:27:51 GMT -5
Yeah I don’t agree. And the Magic the Gathering comparison makes it even worse. Why should every single card in a trading card game be easily and equally accessible. What’s the challenge then? Everyone has the same exact deck? What’s the point of that? I'm guessing we're about the same age (late 30s/earl 40s)? What he's talking about is basically a product of our culture now where everyone gets a trophy. All the people cheering this on are part of that mold, where they want to make sure every single thing is "fair" This a nonsensical take. Action figures aren’t “trophies” given for an achievement, they’re a product. Collecting from the start of the line isn’t an “achievement” to be “rewarded” by early figures not being re-released. Also, the part of this that people keep ignoring is that the original figures, especially MOC, aren’t going to depreciate in value and if anything will become more “collectible” but that doesn’t fit the narrative. |
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Post by Scotty Flamingo on Mar 8, 2024 13:00:11 GMT -5
It will always be a terrible idea to rerelease figures. If we really need to rerelease any figures the only ones we need to are the 1 in 15 Ultimate Warriors since nobody has them and any other figures that were extremely limited. Anything else doesn’t need to be rereleased because there was a time when they were available in large amounts and could be found if you were collecting.
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Post by rkmo: Everyone Else but Me on Mar 8, 2024 13:27:25 GMT -5
There truly are some villain type arcs in this lol
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Mar 8, 2024 13:47:35 GMT -5
Enough arguing, jeez. It doesn't change that they are being released. nobody is "arguing" smh, people can't have a legitimate debate about an opinion without it being perceived as this major argument that should get a thread shut down what is the point of a forum if people can't discuss a topic? everyone should just reply to threads with "omg yay! so cool!" and move on? Amen. This happens all the time. Anytime there’s an “argument,” random people join jump in and are frothing at the mouth hoping the thread gets shut down. What’s wrong with a debate?! |
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Mar 8, 2024 13:52:22 GMT -5
I'm guessing we're about the same age (late 30s/earl 40s)? What he's talking about is basically a product of our culture now where everyone gets a trophy. All the people cheering this on are part of that mold, where they want to make sure every single thing is "fair" This a nonsensical take. Action figures aren’t “trophies” given for an achievement, they’re a product. Collecting from the start of the line isn’t an “achievement” to be “rewarded” by early figures not being re-released. Also, the part of this that people keep ignoring is that the original figures, especially MOC, aren’t going to depreciate in value and if anything will become more “collectible” but that doesn’t fit the narrative. Absolutely false. These rereleases directly, and negatively, affect the value of the older/ previous releases. Just look at the Ultimate Edition series 1 Ultimate Warrior. That figure was going for over $100 before the Best of UE release and now you can’t even get rid of that figure for $30. (Side note: that figure did not have any distribution problems and was fair game for everyone!) Will some retain some value? Sure. Like someone else said, the original Harley Race had a BAF piece so that will maintain some value. However, let’s look on eBay in a few months and see what those Dudley’s are selling for. I doubt the originals will be worth anywhere near what they were going for before this announcement. |
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Mar 8, 2024 13:59:49 GMT -5
According to most people on here, you shouldn't have been able to do that. Only should have sold them for retail because it's not fair that people just starting to collect now didn't have a chance to get the Classic Giant Gonzalez or Mr. Fuji I wasn’t aware Jakks still made WWE classic superstars and were rereleasing those characters. Where are you going with that comment? Are you saying that those CS should appreciate in value since they are no longer readily available? Your point from the beginning has been these are just toys that should only reach a certain value and be easily accessible. What is your mindset on something that is no longer in production? Should my CS Adam Bomb be worth $20 or $100+? You can’t have your cake and eat it too. The CS main line figures were easily accessible and readily available. Everyone had a fair chance at the time, but if someone wants to get into the game now, they’ll have to pay up. Obviously this line is no longer around and Mattel’s still is, but I carry over the same mindset. Those Dudley’s were fair game for everyone at the time. No reason to release the same ones again (I understand there’s some updates, but change the attires at least). |
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Mar 8, 2024 14:14:56 GMT -5
I wasn’t aware Jakks still made WWE classic superstars and were rereleasing those characters. Where are you going with that comment? Are you saying that those CS should appreciate in value since they are no longer readily available? Your point from the beginning has been these are just toys that should only reach a certain value and be easily accessible. What is your mindset on something that is no longer in production? Should my CS Adam Bomb be worth $20 or $100+? You can’t have your cake and eat it too. The CS main line figures were easily accessible and readily available. Everyone had a fair chance at the time, but if someone wants to get into the game now, they’ll have to pay up. Obviously this line is no longer around and Mattel’s still is, but I carry over the same mindset. Those Dudley’s were fair game for everyone at the time. No reason to release the same ones again (I understand there’s some updates, but change the attires at least). CS figures are worth nothing because they look like absolute garbage with the same roid bodies. If someone wants to overpay for $2 in Chinese plastic then go ahead. I’m done with this conversation. |
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Mar 8, 2024 14:17:21 GMT -5
Yeah I don’t agree. And the Magic the Gathering comparison makes it even worse. Why should every single card in a trading card game be easily and equally accessible. What’s the challenge then? Everyone has the same exact deck? What’s the point of that? I'm guessing we're about the same age (late 30s/earl 40s)? What he's talking about is basically a product of our culture now where everyone gets a trophy. All the people cheering this on are part of that mold, where they want to make sure every single thing is "fair" I’m almost 33. I was into Magic for some time, and collected Pokemon and YuGiOh right at the start. He keeps bringing up TCGs as if that’s how collecting trading cards work. You buy a pack in the hopes that you get something rare. That rare card should be worth more than the common cards in the pack. It should it not be the same level of difficulty to amass every card. Some cards are “worth” more than others. It’s all pieces of paper, but there’s still value on it (value that we place on it sure but value nonetheless). It’s also a bad comparison because there’s a difference in the TCG and comic collecting world where the first run of something maintains its value regardless of any rereleases. For example, with Pokemon, the original Charizard is worth way more the 2nd edition. A first run Walking Dead #1 is worth way more than any reprinting. With figures, rereleases destroy the market value of the original because many people collect loose and would rather buy the new one at retail than the old one for more money. The only saving grace would be to find a MOC collector that cares about the original packaging, or a rare case like a BAF piece with Harley Race. |
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Mar 8, 2024 14:18:09 GMT -5
Where are you going with that comment? Are you saying that those CS should appreciate in value since they are no longer readily available? Your point from the beginning has been these are just toys that should only reach a certain value and be easily accessible. What is your mindset on something that is no longer in production? Should my CS Adam Bomb be worth $20 or $100+? You can’t have your cake and eat it too. The CS main line figures were easily accessible and readily available. Everyone had a fair chance at the time, but if someone wants to get into the game now, they’ll have to pay up. Obviously this line is no longer around and Mattel’s still is, but I carry over the same mindset. Those Dudley’s were fair game for everyone at the time. No reason to release the same ones again (I understand there’s some updates, but change the attires at least). CS figures are worth nothing because they look like absolute garbage with the same roid bodies. If someone wants to overpay for $2 in Chinese plastic then go ahead. I’m done with this conversation. Wow, what another bad take… |
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Post by WOOOOOO on Mar 8, 2024 14:31:38 GMT -5
I'm guessing we're about the same age (late 30s/earl 40s)? What he's talking about is basically a product of our culture now where everyone gets a trophy. All the people cheering this on are part of that mold, where they want to make sure every single thing is "fair" This a nonsensical take. Action figures aren’t “trophies” given for an achievement, they’re a product. Collecting from the start of the line isn’t an “achievement” to be “rewarded” by early figures not being re-released. Also, the part of this that people keep ignoring is that the original figures, especially MOC, aren’t going to depreciate in value and if anything will become more “collectible” but that doesn’t fit the narrative. The originals not depreciating in value is definitely something that can be contested. Harley Race is the perfect example. Prior to the greatest hits release that figure was going for $300 plus especially if it wasn't the Canadian version. Even that one $250 all day. Greatest hits comes now you can't move the original release for even $150. The last 3 months of sales for Harley show nothing but greatest hits going for basically $30. Very few people will ever pay 10 times the cost of a figure just because it's in a different box. |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 8, 2024 14:31:42 GMT -5
If you’re buying as an investment and a re-release devalues the original then you’re making bad investments. If you want the clout of having a rare figure then a re-release doesn’t make the production run of that figure less rare.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Mar 8, 2024 15:03:17 GMT -5
If you’re buying as an investment and a re-release devalues the original then you’re making bad investments. If you want the clout of having a rare figure then a re-release doesn’t make the production run of that figure less rare. What are you even saying? Rereleases of Mattel WWE action figures devalue the . That’s a fact. You’re making it sound like just because you want the value to stay the same, it will. Maybe your personal attachment to the figure should t change, but the actual market value of the figure will decline. That’s a fact. And you say we’re making a bad investment as if we know the rerelease is coming. These rereleases are relatively new. There is no way five years ago I would have know that the SVS Taker would be released for $30. How would I know that and what evidence at that time would make me think that’s even a possibility? |
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Mar 8, 2024 15:14:55 GMT -5
If you’re buying as an investment and a re-release devalues the original then you’re making bad investments. If you want the clout of having a rare figure then a re-release doesn’t make the production run of that figure less rare. What are you even saying? Rereleases of Mattel WWE action figures devalue the . That’s a fact. You’re making it sound like just because you want the value to stay the same, it will. Maybe your personal attachment to the figure should t change, but the actual market value of the figure will decline. That’s a fact. And you say we’re making a bad investment as if we know the rerelease is coming. These rereleases are relatively new. There is no way five years ago I would have know that the SVS Taker would be released for $30. How would I know that and what evidence at that time would make me think that’s even a possibility?  |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 8, 2024 15:55:43 GMT -5
What are you even saying? Rereleases of Mattel WWE action figures devalue the . That’s a fact. You’re making it sound like just because you want the value to stay the same, it will. Maybe your personal attachment to the figure should t change, but the actual market value of the figure will decline. That’s a fact. And you say we’re making a bad investment as if we know the rerelease is coming. These rereleases are relatively new. There is no way five years ago I would have know that the SVS Taker would be released for $30. How would I know that and what evidence at that time would make me think that’s even a possibility?Goes further back than that. All the way to year 1 of the line  |
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Post by DaFlo on Mar 8, 2024 16:24:26 GMT -5
I'm guessing we're about the same age (late 30s/earl 40s)? What he's talking about is basically a product of our culture now where everyone gets a trophy. All the people cheering this on are part of that mold, where they want to make sure every single thing is "fair" This a nonsensical take. Action figures aren’t “trophies” given for an achievement, they’re a product. Collecting from the start of the line isn’t an “achievement” to be “rewarded” by early figures not being re-released. Also, the part of this that people keep ignoring is that the original figures, especially MOC, aren’t going to depreciate in value and if anything will become more “collectible” but that doesn’t fit the narrative. I actually disagree with that opinion. Collectors that were part of the beginning should be rewarded as they were the ones who kept the lines going. |
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