Mattel WWE From the Vault 1 RSC Ex Special Edition Cena Vid!

1. No they're not the same. A reprint of Walking Dead #1 does not drop the value of the original. However, a reissue of DM Undertaker will absolutely kill the secondary market value. Same box or not. That's a fact. It is irrefutable.

2. You're visibly showing your lack of knowledge on how comics work. There is a barcode on the bottom that distinguishes the first run of the comic. For example, "00111" represents first issue, non-variant, first printing. That barcode on a classic comic garners way, way more money than any future run of the same issue. The collectors care about the first run because that is the only one that'll potentially gain value and, quite frankly, its the original. This doesn't translate to wrestling figures. The only difference between the comic issues is a barcode/ release date. With figures, a rerelease could mean updates and a cheaper way to get the figure. It makes the older one not as important or desired. I guarantee if they did a reprint of X-Men #1 tomorrow, it wouldn't even touch the market value of the original. However, if they release the Road Warriors (meaning same colors as the originals), the original releases would drop significantly. Loose and MOC.

3. Comparing Hasbros to Mattel's is downright silly. Hasbro's are considered classic collectibles at this point, where original packaging matters. No one cares about the original box of Bubba Ray Dudley versus this new one. And this is coming from a MOC collector. There are only specific cases where the box would matter and that is basically limited to exclusives. Any mainline elite rerelease is not treasured for its box. Look at recent rereleases like Legends series 10 DDP and Hall of Champions Undertaker is GH series 2. Once those were rereleased, who in their right mind was going to eBay to pay more money for the originals because of the box. No one. They saw the same figure, updated or not, at a way cheaper price. That's it. It is that simple for Mattel wrestling figures. We aren't talking Hasbros or LJNs. That doesn't apply.

4. My argument about loose and MOC is not "weak" when you literally reiterated that a loose collector would buy the new version. There are certainly less MOC collectors than loose collectors, so you are already limiting the number of people who would care about the original packaging. Now limit it even further to those that would only need the original MOC for say signing purposes or completion purposes. Who is randomly buying a MOC Bubba for completion purposes of Elite wave 45? I'm sure those number are low or nonexistent. Now that the same Bubba and D-Von are being released, who really needs the old ones? Absolutely destroyed the market.

5. And that's cool you value your collection, but it's like you're pretending that figures don't gain perceived value and that it is not nice when they do. I don't care if it is not your priority. The point is it may be the priority for some. Why is that a problem? That is what I am debating. Cool its not a priority for you. To others it is and there is absolutely no respect for those that do care about the value (or perceived value of their collection). I am not sitting here telling you are wrong for having only emotional value, but you are telling me I am wrong for considering their potential market value. As I said numerous times, I am not a scalper and I buy my figures for myself. However, it is nice to see something you own appreciate in value and it sucks when it loses value. I have sentimental attachment to plenty of figures that would probably be worthless on the secondary market. But for other figures that may not have sentimental attachment, or are worth something, I like to see them continue to be worth something.

1. Talk about side-stepping. You found ONE similarity. That does not make them in the least bit comparable. You completely ignored how the original comics value would stay the same while the wrestling figure's value would not. That's the comparison.

2. The point was that reprints may differ from originals like box art on wrestling figures differs from the originals, but the way they affect the secondary market is drastically different. Making them incomparable.

Side-Note: I see nothing wrong with not remaking the Red or Black Road Warriors. Make another attire. LOD 2000 perhaps. Or Ultimates of the Red or Black. Don't do the elites again. That's my opinion. You don't have to like it.

3. Yeah MOC collectors obviously care about packaging, but a MOC Hasbro collector caring about a US version versus an oversees version is very different from a Mattel MOC collector caring about Elite 45 Dudley versus this new From the Vault Dudley. I can't imagine someone that doesn't already have Bubba really caring about having the first one MOC over the new one MOC. Say someone wants to get an elite Bubba signed, they are obviously going to pick the new one since it is updated and cheaper. No one is going to want the old one MOC anymore (unless it is for completion purposes which is very rare).

4. I never once in all of my posts talked about loose figures holding value. Not once. Go back and read them all. I have always been talking about the values of the MOC figures going down in value after the rereleases. I collect MOC and loose, but I only care about the MOC values. You, in your own head, made up a debate about loose prices. Loose figures lose value immediately out of the package just like driving a new car does when you drive off the lot. That value means nothing to me. It is the MOC figures that take an even more substantial hit from these rereleases and that has always been the point. New box or not, it doesn't matter to this community. This community wants things easy and cheap. They are not willing to pay much over retail which is proven by the pages of rebuttal to my posts. MOC UE series 1 Ultimate Warrior is now barely worth retail. MOC Hall of Champions Undertaker is barely over retail. And like I said earlier, I guarantee if SES Punk is rereleased in a future wave, the original RSC exclusive's price will plummet. Different box or not. It won't matter.

5. I never once considered the market to be "stable." I never once said I could "count on" the prices. I have been collecting something whether it is Pokemon, wrestling figures, Funkos, videos games, etc. my whole life. I understand the ebbs and flows of the collecting market. Everything rises and falls similar to the stock market. But my problem is with DIRECT rereleases. I have absolutely no problem with them doing the same character with a different attire. That's a completely different figure then. Not just updates like TrueFX and whatnot. Could new looks still decrease the value of previous releases? Sure. Possibly. Especially with the people in this community. If it is easier to get blue Dudley's then the old red Dudley's, the demand for the red could surely go down. However, that is not the issue. A direct rerelease directly affects the market. Plain and simple. That has been my point from the beginning. No one is going back to the originals just for the box. They'll see updated parts, TrueFX, and a cheaper price point for the same guy with the same look. That DIRECTLY affects the secondary market on that figure. Not indirectly like your example with ECW Dudleys.

There is no reason why they couldn't do these figures in a different color. None at all. I don't care if other people don't already have the red Dudleys. They were completely fair game. No distribution issues. No scalping issues. That's on them. Buy the blue Dudleys then. You can agree with that or not. That is my opinion on the matter and has been my opinion the entire time. I never said no one can get new Dudley's ever, it just doesn't have to be the same Dudleys we already have. And why wouldn't we want a different version. We already have red. I'd buy blue if they made it. But no. We waste out time with red.

I don’t know how you could honestly think the RSC exclusives would hold their value if rereleases. The original box is not enough to keep the value from declining. Especially in this community.

I gave LOD 2000 merely as an example since it’d be completely new. You could do the blue road warriors instead since those were only done as basics. I don’t see what the problem would be with doing the red as ultimates instead of rereleasing them as elites again…

When I say “cheap and easy,” I am talking about the mindset of begging for a rerelease instead of working towards a goal of adding a sought after figure to your collection. These were all fair game at one point so there shouldn’t be any complaining. If you missed out, then you have to work to adding it to your collection. I gave the example of the Kurt Angle micro brawler earlier. I was collecting at the time (still am), but missed the drop. It’s a very limited brawler and goes for over $200 on eBay. I would love to add it to my collection but I cannot afford to right now. But instead of complaining or asking for a rerelease, I keep it in the back of my mind as something I might be able to get one day. And if not, it just makes someone elses collection that much better. That’s the collecting mindset I have and that I’ve explained, or tried to explain, many times. I like that this Kurt brawler is rare and expensive even though it may possibly never be added to my own collection.

When you say it’s just a “product,” the you are ignoring how a product could become a collectible. Every collectible is a product. Stamps, vinyl records, comics, etc. but they can become something more. When Action Comics #1 came out, it was simply just a product, but look at it now.

By the way, you’re wrong about the Dudleys. The Dudleys also wore Grey and Black during the 2015/2016 run. They covered this color scheme in a battle pack but never as elites. Easily could do black and grey instead of red.

And I appreciate you enjoying the debate. I can’t stand how many people are willing to jump in with nothing to say and request the thread to be locked when all we are doing is having a conversation.

Hey uh some more kanes coming?

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Another classic response. Let us know when you have something on topic to discuss or have something of value to add to the debate. Thank you.

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I've never bought anything for my collection as an "investment".

They value of something increasing is sort of like a reward for your efforts. Like, I've bought over 1,500 Mattel's....it's actually kind of nice that a lot would sell for more than what I paid for them. I'm not going to do this forever, and when I want to get out, I'd like to not take a MASSIVE loss on every single thing I've bought given the nature of what this is. I've been able to sell some of my older figures at all different times for good money, and I've used that money to buy more currently released figures. It's not the REASON I collect, but it's a nice side effect for the amount of time/energy/effort and money I put in to this hobby

This is actually a HOBBY. In case people forgot.
This isn't a "make sure everyone gets everything they've ever wanted" event.

I used to collect G.I. Joes as a kid, still have my originals. I didn't get every single one, if I wanted some now I'd have to pay the market value for them. If Hasbro just re-released all the originals because I wanted them....how is that OK to do to all the people who have had their own for decades?

Toys holding monetary value is a GOOD THING for everyone that collects.