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Post by hitmancmedge on Mar 29, 2024 21:54:04 GMT -5
Tells you how bad people thought those Kenny and Claudio figures were that they are still available
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Post by dustychodes on Mar 29, 2024 22:04:18 GMT -5
Can you please explain B and C in more detail? Ok, here's the best explanation I have from what I understand. The idea of the shady ish. That one is easy. Company heavily promotes limited run products. Puts enough of the product on shelves to entice buyers. But much like a shady businessman doing dealings on the side, if people anywhere in the chain were able to secure those rare products from the inside, and then makes anonymous accounts to sell said products as a seemingly third party, then the same people responsible for making the decisions on what rare items to release are lining their pockets with direct profits from their own items that they don't have to mess with the company checkbook for. Think of it as what happens in sports betting scandals. You make your money as a player, but if you have the ability to make money on the side using your own employment to rig the results, those funds go right into your personal pocket rather than having to deal with a ton of taxes. Note: this is NOT an accusation, simply an example of how this might work. The second one is much more complex but amounts to the sorts of stuff WBDiscovery is doing where they will make a product, can it, them it becomes a tax write off for more money then they otherwise would have made. That one I'm less sure of the details on but that one can be seen happening in the entertainment industry on a regular basis these days. Again, not an accusation, just saying how such a thing may work. Really, it's a fascinating topic of how the inner workings of corporations occur vs what the consumers see and if I had a better mind for economics I'd love to at least take a couple college courses to really explore how these sorts of things work. It's a lot like the sports card market. Somehow influencers and group breakers always get the best cards, then people see that and start buying in hopes to hit it big, all the while the insiders are hording the product to scalp at higher than MSRP prices and the big hits are sold by those same insiders to gain profit.
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Post by marklud on Mar 29, 2024 23:18:44 GMT -5
Let's only make 3000 Malaki figs even though his original Supreme was gone instantly and his 1st reg figs are also gone instantly. Like seriously they probably would have sold out on twice that number. Instead we have 30,000 kingstons in every Walmart across America. I am trying to stay positive about this line but man they really don't make it easy. And Malaki is already showing up on mercari for 70. That is actually far less than I thought they would start popping up for. I actually sat down with my friend who has a degree in business law and tried to hash out the logistics of Jazwares business model for AEW figures. Why they would do things like make ftil figures chase only, why they would flood the stores with unwanted exclusives but never stock anything else, and why they have made an entire, high-demand figure line in very low numbers, when all of the above are essentially sold for the same price at retail and none of the secondary sales that those chase and rare figures bring are ever seen by Jazwares. Business Law guy said that either they A. don't care about the line and are trying to tank it intentionally so they can focus on their true moneymakers like Squishmallows, without worrying about any repercussions from breaking a contract, or B. there is shady ish going on where the people making the figures ARE gaining extra money from the chases, it's just being kept off the books, or C. A combination of the two that involves taxes tomfoolery. Because yeah, from a strictly business model perspective, what Jazwares, a supposedly experienced company, is doing makes zero financial sense. But the money never lies so one way or another, Jazwares is making more money by keeping the numbers low than it is from making the figures available to the public easily. However that works out. Respectfully, this sounds kind of insane. It's not that complicated. First two series or so were short-packed in order to boost store demand. Jeremy has said as much. Then they made too many figures for the next couple of series and they flooded pegs. I love AEW myself but they're still a young, new, developing brand. This didn't surprise me one bit. They've since recalibrated and are putting people like Alex Reynolds (who would sit on the pegs as long as a Riho) as a limited figure so they can still make us collectors happy and not have it sit on pegs for a year. The Walmart exclusive figures are figures Walmart pays them for, to be store exclusives. They ship in full cases. Yes, they've made too many of them. But that's the explanation. The SAME EXACT thing happens with the Mattel legends line at target; they ship in full cases and sit on pegs far longer than the normal waves. Those legends figs are among my favorite figs out these days but they often end up in clearance. Mattel is not "not caring about the line" or "trying to tank it."
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Post by shanieomaniac on Mar 30, 2024 1:18:15 GMT -5
I actually sat down with my friend who has a degree in business law and tried to hash out the logistics of Jazwares business model for AEW figures. Why they would do things like make ftil figures chase only, why they would flood the stores with unwanted exclusives but never stock anything else, and why they have made an entire, high-demand figure line in very low numbers, when all of the above are essentially sold for the same price at retail and none of the secondary sales that those chase and rare figures bring are ever seen by Jazwares. Business Law guy said that either they A. don't care about the line and are trying to tank it intentionally so they can focus on their true moneymakers like Squishmallows, without worrying about any repercussions from breaking a contract, or B. there is shady ish going on where the people making the figures ARE gaining extra money from the chases, it's just being kept off the books, or C. A combination of the two that involves taxes tomfoolery. Because yeah, from a strictly business model perspective, what Jazwares, a supposedly experienced company, is doing makes zero financial sense. But the money never lies so one way or another, Jazwares is making more money by keeping the numbers low than it is from making the figures available to the public easily. However that works out. Respectfully, this sounds kind of insane. It's not that complicated. First two series or so were short-packed in order to boost store demand. Jeremy has said as much. Then they made too many figures for the next couple of series and they flooded pegs. I love AEW myself but they're still a young, new, developing brand. This didn't surprise me one bit. They've since recalibrated and are putting people like Alex Reynolds (who would sit on the pegs as long as a Riho) as a limited figure so they can still make us collectors happy and not have it sit on pegs for a year. The Walmart exclusive figures are figures Walmart pays them for, to be store exclusives. They ship in full cases. Yes, they've made too many of them. But that's the explanation. The SAME EXACT thing happens with the Mattel legends line at target; they ship in full cases and sit on pegs far longer than the normal waves. Those legends figs are among my favorite figs out these days but they often end up in clearance. Mattel is not "not caring about the line" or "trying to tank it." I was simply reiterating a conversation I had with a friend but if you think there is any part of making Alex Reynolds a chase figure that makes collectors happy, I would invite you to visit IG where the RSC announcment of his chase figure is dang near nothing but people complaining about him being the chase. Not saying Alex would have sold as well as some of the other figures, but making Alex the chase didn't have a thing to do with making collectors happy and everything to do with protecting their own profit margin. In fact, if the community on IG is any indication, the collectors legit feel insulted by it. They make us wait this long for the figure then make it a chase. Feels like a slap in the face to collectors more than any sort of consession, especially with how he (along with Bunny) were figures that you needed to complete sets of regular release figures. Making Abadon the chase would have made sense if they had released them. But putting the final member of a stable as a chase that you either have to be incredibly lucky to find at retail, or shell out a ton of money on secondary to get, is in fact infuriating and in no way is designed to make collectors happy. Personally, and this is just me, if they had skipped making the Bunny figure entirely, I'd have been happier. As a AEW women's completionist, putting women's figures behind a chase barrier, I'd rather not have the figure at all than them make a figure which I will be required to spend about 200 dollars to get one both MOC and loose for my collection.
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Post by marklud on Mar 30, 2024 2:58:13 GMT -5
Respectfully, this sounds kind of insane. It's not that complicated. First two series or so were short-packed in order to boost store demand. Jeremy has said as much. Then they made too many figures for the next couple of series and they flooded pegs. I love AEW myself but they're still a young, new, developing brand. This didn't surprise me one bit. They've since recalibrated and are putting people like Alex Reynolds (who would sit on the pegs as long as a Riho) as a limited figure so they can still make us collectors happy and not have it sit on pegs for a year. The Walmart exclusive figures are figures Walmart pays them for, to be store exclusives. They ship in full cases. Yes, they've made too many of them. But that's the explanation. The SAME EXACT thing happens with the Mattel legends line at target; they ship in full cases and sit on pegs far longer than the normal waves. Those legends figs are among my favorite figs out these days but they often end up in clearance. Mattel is not "not caring about the line" or "trying to tank it." I was simply reiterating a conversation I had with a friend but if you think there is any part of making Alex Reynolds a chase figure that makes collectors happy, I would invite you to visit IG where the RSC announcment of his chase figure is dang near nothing but people complaining about him being the chase. Not saying Alex would have sold as well as some of the other figures, but making Alex the chase didn't have a thing to do with making collectors happy and everything to do with protecting their own profit margin. In fact, if the community on IG is any indication, the collectors legit feel insulted by it. They make us wait this long for the figure then make it a chase. Feels like a slap in the face to collectors more than any sort of consession, especially with how he (along with Bunny) were figures that you needed to complete sets of regular release figures. Making Abadon the chase would have made sense if they had released them. But putting the final member of a stable as a chase that you either have to be incredibly lucky to find at retail, or shell out a ton of money on secondary to get, is in fact infuriating and in no way is designed to make collectors happy. Personally, and this is just me, if they had skipped making the Bunny figure entirely, I'd have been happier. As a AEW women's completionist, putting women's figures behind a chase barrier, I'd rather not have the figure at all than them make a figure which I will be required to spend about 200 dollars to get one both MOC and loose for my collection. I'm all for deep cuts in the line but the reality is that deep cuts in the line were rotting on shelves. Riho and Nyla are still on shelves YEARS LATER and they've had wayyyyy more TV time than Alex. Getting deep cuts out of 5000 is a smart compromise imo. You can get multiples of the Bunny right now on eBay for $60. Jamie Hayter and Mox chases are going for regular figure retail price in facebook groups these days (35 including shipping). You just have to wait a little bit for the prices to drop. Putting people like Alex as a 1/5000 chase has zero to do with "protecting their own profit margin" and everything to do with protecting the long-term health of the line and ensuring that it survives.
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Post by shanieomaniac on Mar 30, 2024 4:21:29 GMT -5
I was simply reiterating a conversation I had with a friend but if you think there is any part of making Alex Reynolds a chase figure that makes collectors happy, I would invite you to visit IG where the RSC announcment of his chase figure is dang near nothing but people complaining about him being the chase. Not saying Alex would have sold as well as some of the other figures, but making Alex the chase didn't have a thing to do with making collectors happy and everything to do with protecting their own profit margin. In fact, if the community on IG is any indication, the collectors legit feel insulted by it. They make us wait this long for the figure then make it a chase. Feels like a slap in the face to collectors more than any sort of consession, especially with how he (along with Bunny) were figures that you needed to complete sets of regular release figures. Making Abadon the chase would have made sense if they had released them. But putting the final member of a stable as a chase that you either have to be incredibly lucky to find at retail, or shell out a ton of money on secondary to get, is in fact infuriating and in no way is designed to make collectors happy. Personally, and this is just me, if they had skipped making the Bunny figure entirely, I'd have been happier. As a AEW women's completionist, putting women's figures behind a chase barrier, I'd rather not have the figure at all than them make a figure which I will be required to spend about 200 dollars to get one both MOC and loose for my collection. I'm all for deep cuts in the line but the reality is that deep cuts in the line were rotting on shelves. Riho and Nyla are still on shelves YEARS LATER and they've had wayyyyy more TV time than Alex. Getting deep cuts out of 5000 is a smart compromise imo. You can get multiples of the Bunny right now on eBay for $60. Jamie Hayter and Mox chases are going for regular figure retail price in facebook groups these days (35 including shipping). You just have to wait a little bit for the prices to drop. Putting people like Alex as a 1/5000 chase has zero to do with "protecting their own profit margin" and everything to do with protecting the long-term health of the line and ensuring that it survives.That's literally what I meant with "Protecting their own profit margin". They made the figures 1/5000 because it was a business decision for them, not because they were too concerned about making collecters "happy". Long before the Bunny and Alex figures were made (And Abadon as well, but they never got made) those figures were part of the regular waves. When the line started failing, they decided to start making the figures they felt would sell least chase figures to protect themselves. But the point was that, when the figures were first shown years earlier, there was no concept in place for people's only figures being chases. That came later. It wasn't a comprimise as much as it was pacification. It was a case of them being like "OK, yeah, we'll still give you these figures we promised, but you're gonna have to hunt for them or go on secondary." And then they didn't give us the Abadon anyway because due to the way that they will reveal a figure years before it releases, by the time Abadon was supposed to be made, they'd completely vanished from TV... something that is insane with the ultimate twist that they returned more popular than ever at the time when the figure would have actually hit shelves. Also, here's the thing. Alex may feel like a deep cut. But the way that the Mox chase is going for retail online... I don't know for certain if the Alex figure would have sold better or worse than yet another Mox. I get that this is the BCC wave, I do. But as said above, TV time doesn't necessarily equal figure sales and I'm just going from online reaction, but the reaction from the social media crowd is that yet another Mox was needed far less than the Alex. Out of everyone in that entire wave of figures the only person who has never had a figure before is the one they limited to 5000. Jericho, Hangman, and Eddie are featured on TV pretty much every week and it isn't just their Walmart exclusives that don't sell. Mainline figures and online chase exclusives don't sell either. The whole dang line is in bad shape and as much as you can say that Bunny and Alex are deep cuts, the point is that they are part of SETS. You needed Bunny to complete Butcher, Blade and Bunny. Alex is the last member of The Dark Order we're gonna get. Really, as said above, Abadon as the chase would have made sense in this format. But putting the final, needed member of a mainline stable as a chase kind of feels insulting because it means that, by definition, only 5000 people in the world who want to complete those stables will ever be able to. And say what you will about who will sell what figures, I'm going to have to assume there are more than 5000 people around the world interested in doing so. And that wouldn't make the collectors who can't happy at ALL.
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Post by marklud on Mar 30, 2024 4:28:57 GMT -5
I'm all for deep cuts in the line but the reality is that deep cuts in the line were rotting on shelves. Riho and Nyla are still on shelves YEARS LATER and they've had wayyyyy more TV time than Alex. Getting deep cuts out of 5000 is a smart compromise imo. You can get multiples of the Bunny right now on eBay for $60. Jamie Hayter and Mox chases are going for regular figure retail price in facebook groups these days (35 including shipping). You just have to wait a little bit for the prices to drop. Putting people like Alex as a 1/5000 chase has zero to do with "protecting their own profit margin" and everything to do with protecting the long-term health of the line and ensuring that it survives.That's literally what I meant with "Protecting their own profit margin". They made the figures 1/5000 because it was a business decision for them, not because they were too concerned about making collecters "happy". Long before the Bunny and Alex figures were made (And Abadon as well, but they never got made) those figures were part of the regular waves. When the line started failing, they decided to start making the figures they felt would sell least chase figures to protect themselves. But the point was that, when the figures were first shown years earlier, there was no concept in place for people's only figures being chases. That came later. It wasn't a comprimise as much as it was pacification. It was a case of them being like "OK, yeah, we'll still give you these figures we promised, but you're gonna have to hunt for them or go on secondary." And then they didn't give us the Abadon anyway because due to the way that they will reveal a figure years before it releases, by the time Abadon was supposed to be made, they'd completely vanished from TV... something that is insane with the ultimate twist that they returned more popular than ever at the time when the figure would have actually hit shelves. Also, here's the thing. Alex may feel like a deep cut. But the way that the Mox chase is going for retail online... I don't know for certain if the Alex figure would have sold better or worse than yet another Mox. I get that this is the BCC wave, I do. But as said above, TV time doesn't necessarily equal figure sales and I'm just going from online reaction, but the reaction from the social media crowd is that yet another Mox was needed far less than the Alex. Out of everyone in that entire wave of figures the only person who has never had a figure before is the one they limited to 5000. Jericho, Hangman, and Eddie are featured on TV pretty much every week and it isn't just their Walmart exclusives that don't sell. Mainline figures and online chase exclusives don't sell either. The whole dang line is in bad shape and as much as you can say that Bunny and Alex are deep cuts, the point is that they are part of SETS. You needed Bunny to complete Butcher, Blade and Bunny. Alex is the last member of The Dark Order we're gonna get. Really, as said above, Abadon as the chase would have made sense in this format. But putting the final, needed member of a mainline stable as a chase kind of feels insulting because it means that, by definition, only 5000 people in the world who want to complete those stables will ever be able to. And say what you will about who will sell what figures, I'm going to have to assume there are more than 5000 people around the world interested in doing so. And that wouldn't make the collectors who can't happy at ALL. I just don't think you get it. There's got to be a happy medium between the line doing well and making us collectors happy. If you can't see that Alex would be warming pegs if he was released as a normal fig I don't know what to tell ya. You've got to put on the business hat for a minute and understand where they're coming from. It's a compromise. We still get some deep cuts, and they put them out in a way where he won't hang on pegs for two years. 5000 isn't 500, it's not a crazy limited quantity. Everyone complained and moaned about figures sitting on pegs, and now they complain and moan about them trying to do something about it. You can't have it both ways. I wish figures were $5 like they were during the Hasbro days. I wish every single wave had a Shibata figure. We're never gonna always get what we want. If the choice is Alex as a 1/5000 or no Alex at all, that's an easy choice for me. And it makes all the business sense in the world imo when we're talking about the long-term health of the line. I don't want this line to die, and they clearly had to make some tweaks in distribution.
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Post by shanieomaniac on Mar 30, 2024 4:57:54 GMT -5
That's literally what I meant with "Protecting their own profit margin". They made the figures 1/5000 because it was a business decision for them, not because they were too concerned about making collecters "happy". Long before the Bunny and Alex figures were made (And Abadon as well, but they never got made) those figures were part of the regular waves. When the line started failing, they decided to start making the figures they felt would sell least chase figures to protect themselves. But the point was that, when the figures were first shown years earlier, there was no concept in place for people's only figures being chases. That came later. It wasn't a comprimise as much as it was pacification. It was a case of them being like "OK, yeah, we'll still give you these figures we promised, but you're gonna have to hunt for them or go on secondary." And then they didn't give us the Abadon anyway because due to the way that they will reveal a figure years before it releases, by the time Abadon was supposed to be made, they'd completely vanished from TV... something that is insane with the ultimate twist that they returned more popular than ever at the time when the figure would have actually hit shelves. Also, here's the thing. Alex may feel like a deep cut. But the way that the Mox chase is going for retail online... I don't know for certain if the Alex figure would have sold better or worse than yet another Mox. I get that this is the BCC wave, I do. But as said above, TV time doesn't necessarily equal figure sales and I'm just going from online reaction, but the reaction from the social media crowd is that yet another Mox was needed far less than the Alex. Out of everyone in that entire wave of figures the only person who has never had a figure before is the one they limited to 5000. Jericho, Hangman, and Eddie are featured on TV pretty much every week and it isn't just their Walmart exclusives that don't sell. Mainline figures and online chase exclusives don't sell either. The whole dang line is in bad shape and as much as you can say that Bunny and Alex are deep cuts, the point is that they are part of SETS. You needed Bunny to complete Butcher, Blade and Bunny. Alex is the last member of The Dark Order we're gonna get. Really, as said above, Abadon as the chase would have made sense in this format. But putting the final, needed member of a mainline stable as a chase kind of feels insulting because it means that, by definition, only 5000 people in the world who want to complete those stables will ever be able to. And say what you will about who will sell what figures, I'm going to have to assume there are more than 5000 people around the world interested in doing so. And that wouldn't make the collectors who can't happy at ALL. I just don't think you get it. There's got to be a happy medium between the line doing well and making us collectors happy. If you can't see that Alex would be warming pegs if he was released as a normal fig I don't know what to tell ya. You've got to put on the business hat for a minute and understand where they're coming from. It's a compromise. We still get some deep cuts, and they put them out in a way where he won't hang on pegs for two years. 5000 isn't 500, it's not a crazy limited quantity. Everyone complained and moaned about figures sitting on pegs, and now they complain and moan about them trying to do something about it. You can't have it both ways. I wish figures were $5 like they were during the Hasbro days. I wish every single wave had a Shibata figure. We're never gonna always get what we want. If the choice is Alex as a 1/5000 or no Alex at all, that's an easy choice for me. And it makes all the business sense in the world imo when we're talking about the long-term health of the line. I don't want this line to die, and they clearly had to make some tweaks in distribution. I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one because I've already stated that, if I was given the choice between having a 1/5000 figure my OCD compels me to spend extra money on secondary to get, however much more it might be (and trying to determine that sweet spot of if a figure will ever be available on secondary for cheap or not is a massive gamble every time), I would rather not have the figure made at all. Just my perspective on it. To me, it's insulting that they would hide figures needed for a set behind a chase barrier that I guaranteed will never be able to find at retail due to not having a store locally that actually stocks AEW figures. To you, you're just happy we're getting the figures at all. In my mind, I want the line to continue, and I'm not saying that putting potentially weak selling figures out in very limited quantities is a bad thing. But making it be a member of a stable like Bunny, Alex, and I'm guessing Brandon Cutler will be, seems to be making more collectors angry than satisfied. After all, there were a good number of people online who I saw say that they decided not to buy the Butcher and Blade figures due to the unavailablity of the Bunny. And the RSC reveal of Unmatched 9, the Alex figure has the second most notes on it which is essentially over a hundred people complaining about him as a chase. Basically, having entire characters as chases isn't the problem. That's fine. If it prolongs the line, that's great. Go for it. But gauging the overall reaction I see online across social media, them choosing the set-pieces (as well as other much wanted and sought after figures) as the chases seems to be causing collectors of said line to lose faith in it (among other things). Not having deep cuts of figures rotting on shelves is one thing but if you alienate the entire fanbase from your figures, the whole production line is gonna start rotting. Anyway, it's really more of a personal preference thing as someone who can't get chase figures for retail and likes to collect sets. We're never going to agree on this one.
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Post by WrestleWeebRyan on Mar 30, 2024 10:29:10 GMT -5
I personally would have started the ROH line off with Danielson and The Young Bucks. Kenny is a big name. But he was never a true ROH guy at least to me. Rodrick Strong could have even been a better name. I think this was just a poor starting lineup.
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Post by personagamer on Mar 30, 2024 13:01:09 GMT -5
Anyone know who it's being shipped from my shop account just got a package from zglobal1 that’s gotta be them I just got those emails also what I don't understand is 2 different tracking numbers when I only ordered the Malakai
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Post by marklud on Mar 30, 2024 14:43:33 GMT -5
I personally would have started the ROH line off with Danielson and The Young Bucks. Kenny is a big name. But he was never a true ROH guy at least to me. Rodrick Strong could have even been a better name. I think this was just a poor starting lineup. My concern with the ROH line is that imo they're starting off a bit too deep. There's a ton of us collectors who were dying to have figures of guys from the 2016-18 run when NJPW and ROH were on fire. They should've kicked off the line with those versions of Omega/the Bucks/Cole/etc. and not super early ROH ones imo. ROH was wayyyyy hotter during that 2015-18 era. I'm just hoping we get stuff from that time frame sooner rather than later.
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Mar 30, 2024 15:11:43 GMT -5
I personally would have started the ROH line off with Danielson and The Young Bucks. Kenny is a big name. But he was never a true ROH guy at least to me. Rodrick Strong could have even been a better name. I think this was just a poor starting lineup. My concern with the ROH line is that imo they're starting off a bit too deep. There's a ton of us collectors who were dying to have figures of guys from the 2016-18 run when NJPW and ROH were on fire. They should've kicked off the line with those versions of Omega/the Bucks/Cole/etc. and not super early ROH ones imo. ROH was wayyyyy hotter during that 2015-18 era. I'm just hoping we get stuff from that time frame sooner rather than later. Lol the peak of ROH was 2003-2007 They chose stuff from the HDNet era when it started to suck. Starting with Claudio and trunks Omega over Danielson & Joe is a crazy choice
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Post by marklud on Mar 30, 2024 15:17:38 GMT -5
My concern with the ROH line is that imo they're starting off a bit too deep. There's a ton of us collectors who were dying to have figures of guys from the 2016-18 run when NJPW and ROH were on fire. They should've kicked off the line with those versions of Omega/the Bucks/Cole/etc. and not super early ROH ones imo. ROH was wayyyyy hotter during that 2015-18 era. I'm just hoping we get stuff from that time frame sooner rather than later. Lol the peak of ROH was 2003-2007 They chose stuff from the HDNet era when it started to suck. Starting with Claudio and trunks Omega over Danielson & Joe is a crazy choice Lol? Compare the houses and what they were drawing business-wise from 2016-18 to those early years and get back to me.
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Post by marklud on Mar 30, 2024 15:36:09 GMT -5
My concern with the ROH line is that imo they're starting off a bit too deep. There's a ton of us collectors who were dying to have figures of guys from the 2016-18 run when NJPW and ROH were on fire. They should've kicked off the line with those versions of Omega/the Bucks/Cole/etc. and not super early ROH ones imo. ROH was wayyyyy hotter during that 2015-18 era. I'm just hoping we get stuff from that time frame sooner rather than later. Lol the peak of ROH was 2003-2007 They chose stuff from the HDNet era when it started to suck. Starting with Claudio and trunks Omega over Danielson & Joe is a crazy choice And from 2017, before business got even hotter the following year:
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Post by heelshaun on Mar 30, 2024 15:50:13 GMT -5
Cooked.
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Mar 30, 2024 17:06:52 GMT -5
I don’t care about the attendance, the shows were better in the Gabe era, that’s the era people talk about as being the best American promotion ever It’s when Joe, Danielson, and a bunch of other people they have under contract were there. There also weren’t 20 people in Bullet Club attires they aren’t going to make because it would need NJPW licensing
WWE’s biggest crowd ever was Wrestlemania 32, was that the best show they ever had? 😂
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Post by marklud on Mar 30, 2024 17:18:20 GMT -5
I don’t care about the attendance, the shows were better in the Gabe era, that’s the era people talk about as being the best American promotion ever It’s when Joe, Danielson, and a bunch of other people they have under contract were there. There also weren’t 20 people in Bullet Club attires they aren’t going to make because it would need NJPW licensing WWE’s biggest crowd ever was Wrestlemania 32, was that the best show they ever had? 😂 Well of course a peak **creatively** is super subjective and we can all have our own takes. It might be those early years, it might be some of those later years. My point was if they want the line to be a business success, they might want to release figures from when, well, ROH business was in fact objectively better. Seems pretty logical imo.
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Mar 30, 2024 17:27:11 GMT -5
I don’t care about the attendance, the shows were better in the Gabe era, that’s the era people talk about as being the best American promotion ever It’s when Joe, Danielson, and a bunch of other people they have under contract were there. There also weren’t 20 people in Bullet Club attires they aren’t going to make because it would need NJPW licensing WWE’s biggest crowd ever was Wrestlemania 32, was that the best show they ever had? 😂 Well of course a peak **creatively** is super subjective and we can all have our own takes. It might be those early years, it might be some of those later years. My point was if they want the line to be a business success, they might want to release figures from when, well, ROH business was in fact objectively better. Seems pretty logical imo. That is also my point. They picked from the middle years that weren’t as good, not doing a Samoa Joe from 2004 or trying to get a Summer of Punk figure in at the last minute are weird choices to me
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Post by hitmancmedge on Mar 30, 2024 17:33:19 GMT -5
Creative is all subjective. One of my personal favorite eras of any company ever was Cornette booked ROH, Tyler Black, Wolves, Steen with Corino, Generico. And I know that’s not most ROH fans cup of tea.
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Post by xtremebadass on Mar 30, 2024 18:08:24 GMT -5
Kicking off the Vault ROH line with Claudio and Kenny Omega is an eye roll when they have SAMOA JOE (who is also current AEW champion) at their disposal.
Stars that should have taken priority over putting Kenny, Claudio and Danhausen (sorry, though i love that Danhausen) into production...
Samoa Joe Bryan Danielson CHRISTOPHER DANIELS Roderick Strong NIGEL MCGUINESS Jay Lethal
I don't know. Maybe I'm the crazy one.
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