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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Apr 9, 2024 20:45:08 GMT -5
I don’t understand how there’s no connection between big gold and the current WHC? They’re both the “World Heavyweight Championship” so how is it a new/different title? Idgi, it’s really dumb that they consider it a new title Triple H touched on this during one of the post-WrestleMania press conferences and essentially said “the lineage of the titles is whatever you want, nerds.” |
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Apr 9, 2024 20:59:17 GMT -5
Originally as a kid I believed that the WWE Tag Titles were the originals, then when Animal & Heidenreich were fighting for them it was revealed that if they won Animal would win this version of the tag titles for the 1st time.
It then became clear that the WWE tag team titles were renamed the World Tag titles, then new WWE Tag Team titles were introduced for SD.
When both titles were Unified the SD lineage should've been retired with the new WWE Unified World Tag titles continuing the connection from 1971. So if that happened then technically the Raw tag titles would be the ones with the historic lineage since Shane created the SD ones.
Also, if the 2016 Cruiserweight title was technically a brand new championship then what about the ECW one in 2006? Was RVD the 1st ECW champion or did it's lineage continue from 01?
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Post by LK3 on Apr 9, 2024 21:58:51 GMT -5
Also, if the 2016 Cruiserweight title was technically a brand new championship then what about the ECW one in 2006? Was RVD the 1st ECW champion or did it's lineage continue from 01? WWE continued the lineage. |
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Post by LK3 on Apr 9, 2024 22:02:18 GMT -5
So with WWE having kept these “separate but together” undisputed titles, do they recognize every win as two title wins? Is Cody now a 2-time world champion? Sami/KO? Judgment Day? They should be since they are listed with a reign on each title, but who knows.
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Post by The Real Chillary on Apr 10, 2024 4:22:13 GMT -5
So with WWE having kept these “separate but together” undisputed titles, do they recognize every win as two title wins? Is Cody now a 2-time world champion? Sami/KO? Judgment Day? They should be since they are listed with a reign on each title, but who knows. No, if that was the case Cody would be a four time champion (WWE, Universal, WHC and WCW title.) |
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Post by LK3 on Apr 10, 2024 7:56:22 GMT -5
So with WWE having kept these “separate but together” undisputed titles, do they recognize every win as two title wins? Is Cody now a 2-time world champion? Sami/KO? Judgment Day? They should be since they are listed with a reign on each title, but who knows. No, if that was the case Cody would be a four time champion (WWE, Universal, WHC and WCW title.) Huh? Edit: Oh, I see what you mean. The World Heavyweight Championship lineage was stopped though in 2013 when it was unified with the WWE Championship. Winning the “WWE World Heavyweight Championship” meant winning the “WWE Championship” lineage. Currently the WWE Championship and Universal Championship lineage are both still active for being the Undisputed WWE Universal Champion. |
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Post by kinnikuman on Apr 10, 2024 13:28:15 GMT -5
Too many cooks in the kitchen, or in this case, writers in the writer's room.
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Post by rkmo: Autonomous Meat Shield on Apr 10, 2024 17:49:07 GMT -5
Too many cooks in the kitchen, or in this case, writers in the writer's room. Darn those cooking nerds! |
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Post by TheNinthCloud on Apr 10, 2024 17:58:14 GMT -5
I never liked the idea of two world champions in the company
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2024 18:30:13 GMT -5
I never liked the idea of two world champions in the company Entirely too much talent for one champion. |
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Post by AxelSmackdown on Apr 10, 2024 18:41:23 GMT -5
I never liked the idea of two world champions in the company Entirely too much talent for one champion. exactly Reigns’ reign is also a good example as to why 2 world title belts are needed |
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Post by Neos on Apr 10, 2024 18:41:27 GMT -5
I still don't get though why the lineage of the original Smackdown Tag Team titles, are part of the Raw Tag Team belts. That is strange, huh? Especially considering the OG SD tag titles were the ones that held the lineage from 1971, but the Raw tag don’t if that makes sense I think it was the opposite way, with the (Raw) World Tag Team championship having the original 1971 lineage that included all the legendary tag teams of past years like The Hart Foundation, Demolition, The Hardy Boyz, E&C, etc. while the OG SmackDown ones had no lineage when they were first introduced by Stephanie McMahon in 2002. Why the WWE was so eager to erase 40 years of history and prestige by continuing only the SD tag titles’ lineage when the two championships were unified in 2010, I’m not quite sure. Same goes for the OG Women’s championship being the one to have its long and historic lineage phased out for the much newer and less prestigious Divas championship when the two were also unified in 2009. |
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Post by AxelSmackdown on Apr 10, 2024 18:46:06 GMT -5
That is strange, huh? Especially considering the OG SD tag titles were the ones that held the lineage from 1971, but the Raw tag don’t if that makes sense I think it was the opposite way, with the (Raw) World Tag Team championship having the original 1971 lineage that included all the legendary tag teams of past years like The Hart Foundation, Demolition, The Hardy Boyz, E&C, etc. while the OG SmackDown ones had no lineage when they were first introduced by Stephanie McMahon in 2002. Why the WWE was so eager to erase 40 years of history and prestige by continuing only the SD tag titles’ lineage when the two championships were unified in 2010, I’m not quite sure. Same goes for the OG Women’s championship being the one to have its long and historic lineage phased out for the much newer and less prestigious Divas championship when the two were also unified in 2009. you’re right, I had them switched around The world tag titles on Raw and the WWE tag titles on SD, then unified and eventually called WWE tag with 1 set of belts but only kept the lineage of both back to 2002, then eventually switched to actually being called the Raw tag titles |
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Post by Neos on Apr 10, 2024 18:50:51 GMT -5
I don’t understand how anyone is confused by any of this. When titles are unified, so are the lineage and former champions. When a new championship is introduced, it doesn’t carry any old lineage. Not necessarily. When the WWE United States Championship was introduced in 2003 (two years after the WCW one had been unified with the WWE Intercontinental championship in 2001) WWE stated that it would retain the old lineage of the WCW US championship, despite it technically being a new championship much like the current World Heavyweight championship is even though that title on paper shares the same name as the previous World Heavyweight championship. Same with the when the World Heavyweight championship was first created by Eric Bischoff in 2002 after Brock Lesnar kayfabe refused to defend the then WWE Undisputed Championship on RAW, it was just given its previous lineage tracing all the way back to WCW/NWA. Then when the Diva’s Championship was retired and Charlotte Flair was given the new WWE’s Women championship, they opted not to give that title back its previous lineage despite it having the same name as the previous WWE Womens championship at the time. The reality is that WWE kinda just has a habit of picking and choosing when it wants to continue a titles’ lineage, when it wants to retire it, and even when a new world or mid-card title is considered eligible for becoming a “Grand Slam” champion. |
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Post by Neos on Apr 10, 2024 18:58:22 GMT -5
To me, the WWE Tag Team Titles (the first Smackdown Tag belts) should have been the ones retired, once they unified them with Primo and Carlito. That way, the current Raw belts, would be carrying the lineage of the original tag team titles. Even stranger, I looked at some of the other titles on the site, the most recent Cruiserweight Title, had it's lineage start when TJ Perkins won it. Yet you look at the original Cruiserweight title, they include the WCW Cruiserweight title in it's lineage as well as the WCW Light Heavyweight Title. Very confusing but I liked how WWE continued WCWs lineage with the Cruiserweight Title from 02-07. The Tag Titles is still confusing lol. WWE did the right thing back then with continuing the Cruiserweight, US, and World Heavyweight titles, it gave all them a sense of legitimacy and prestige despite being “new” imo. It wasnt until the PG era began when they kind of became obsessed with erasing titles’ previous lineage, with the WWE World Tag Team championships, Women’s championship, World Heavyweight championship, and Cruiserweight championship all having their old lineages retired for good one way or another. With a student of the game like Triple at the helm now, I think this will hopefully become a thing of the past, as he seems to be more than happy to embrace the rich history of wrestling in a way that Vince often refused to. |
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Apr 10, 2024 21:06:02 GMT -5
I never liked the idea of two world champions in the company I agree, a Wrestling promotion should have 1 World championship that puts the champ on top of the ladder and makes them feel like the most important person in the company. I was also disappointed when the tag belts were split at Mania. Not everyone has to be World champion. If they cut out the year long title reigns there would be plenty of opportunities and would keep the main event scene fresh by having different challengers. You also have the IC & US titles which should be used to help showcase talent that aren't fighting for the big one. |
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Apr 10, 2024 23:01:11 GMT -5
Very confusing but I liked how WWE continued WCWs lineage with the Cruiserweight Title from 02-07. The Tag Titles is still confusing lol. WWE did the right thing back then with continuing the Cruiserweight, US, and World Heavyweight titles, it gave all them a sense of legitimacy and prestige despite being “new” imo. It wasnt until the PG era began when they kind of became obsessed with erasing titles’ previous lineage, with the WWE World Tag Team championships, Women’s championship, World Heavyweight championship, and Cruiserweight championship all having their old lineages retired for good one way or another. With a student of the game like Triple at the helm now, I think this will hopefully become a thing of the past, as he seems to be more than happy to embrace the rich history of wrestling in a way that Vince often refused to. Yeah I loved it when WWE continued the history of the titles. They gotta do it again. That's how you make the belts mean more and feel the prestige of it. |
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Post by shanieomaniac on Apr 12, 2024 7:26:19 GMT -5
So with WWE having kept these “separate but together” undisputed titles, do they recognize every win as two title wins? Is Cody now a 2-time world champion? Sami/KO? Judgment Day? They should be since they are listed with a reign on each title, but who knows. I'm gonna guess they count Cody's win at Maina as one title win because the titles were combined into one belt with a far too long name awhile ago. Sami and Kevin, along with the Judgement Day, are more complex, especially now that they re-split the titles. Honestly, I think it's a thing that Sami and Kevin are one time champions and TJD are two time champions because technically, they each only won the belts once/twice. But then I'm still with Sami himself on trying to decide if he is now a three or four time IC champ, so that might just be a me thing for trying to make sense of it. |
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Post by shanieomaniac on Apr 12, 2024 7:33:50 GMT -5
WWE did the right thing back then with continuing the Cruiserweight, US, and World Heavyweight titles, it gave all them a sense of legitimacy and prestige despite being “new” imo. It wasnt until the PG era began when they kind of became obsessed with erasing titles’ previous lineage, with the WWE World Tag Team championships, Women’s championship, World Heavyweight championship, and Cruiserweight championship all having their old lineages retired for good one way or another. With a student of the game like Triple at the helm now, I think this will hopefully become a thing of the past, as he seems to be more than happy to embrace the rich history of wrestling in a way that Vince often refused to. Yeah I loved it when WWE continued the history of the titles. They gotta do it again. That's how you make the belts mean more and feel the prestige of it. This is literally why Gunther's reign was so meaningful. They could say all they wanted about Roman holding the belts for as long as he did, but the thing was that the IC belt still has friggin meaning to it on it's own so Gunther being the longest reigning champ in history meant something. Roman was just the longest reigning champ of the modern era, and he very rarely defended it. I went to a house show at a college sports arena with what had to be a few hundred people at it and watched Gunther defend his title. It was a good match, mainly because of The Miz making it fun to watch. |
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Post by LK3 on Apr 12, 2024 10:17:50 GMT -5
So with WWE having kept these “separate but together” undisputed titles, do they recognize every win as two title wins? Is Cody now a 2-time world champion? Sami/KO? Judgment Day? They should be since they are listed with a reign on each title, but who knows. I'm gonna guess they count Cody's win at Maina as one title win because the titles were combined into one belt with a far too long name awhile ago. Sami and Kevin, along with the Judgement Day, are more complex, especially now that they re-split the titles. Honestly, I think it's a thing that Sami and Kevin are one time champions and TJD are two time champions because technically, they each only won the belts once/twice. But then I'm still with Sami himself on trying to decide if he is now a three or four time IC champ, so that might just be a me thing for trying to make sense of it. Cody is listed in the title history for both belts, as is the tag teams that have won the undisputed titles, but they could say whatever they want about them. If Roman had been WWE Champion before the unification instead of Universal I have to believe that they would’ve dropped the Universal lineage right away. Hoping really do that with Cody so that he can just be WWE Champion. |
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