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Post by Crossfit Jesus on Apr 18, 2024 20:03:02 GMT -5
I love it. The PLEs have been pretty good going back to late 2022. Raw is hit or miss and smackdown usually delivers. I hope aew can step it up as far as making their product interesting. They always have kick ass matches
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Post by TheRockers on Apr 19, 2024 18:05:12 GMT -5
Overall WWE is the the best its been in a long time. I feel like they have real star power. When Cody and Roman were in the ring at WM you can just feel it. The hype is real.
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Post by shanieomaniac on Apr 20, 2024 1:46:00 GMT -5
I still have my doubts how "hot" wrestling is right now. Until I see a non-wrestling fan where a "Acknowledge Me" shirt, or an "American Nightmare" shirt, or a "Yeet!" shirt, then I can't justify wrestling being "hot" again. The wrestling fans are enjoying the WWE product right now, but during the late 90s we had actual non wrestling fans wearing NWO, DX and Austin 3:16 shirts because it was a trend to do so, without even really knowing what the hell it was. So to me, time will truly tell. This. Wrestling is hot within wrestling. And within wrestling, WWE is the hottest it's been in a long time. The Bloodline 2022-23 brought in a ton of people, and then they managed to keep enough of that momentum going that it led to 'Mania this year. Adding The Rock in, as much as I hate to say it, put a LOT more eyes on the product, and the way that the ish around Royal Rumble energized the fanbase was epic. But.That's just it. It's the FANBASE. You don't see people walking around walmart on a daily basis wearing wrestling shirts because they're cool. Hell, outside of wrestling events, you rarely see them at all. I think the last time I saw another person out and about in my town with one was one random guy wearing a CM Punk "Best in the World" shirt right after he showed up in AEW. That should tell you how common they are in the wild these days. Wrestling, as a fanbase, is larger than it's been in a very long time. But people who don't watch wrestling still don't care or know thing one about wrestling. It doesn't have the pervasive cultural awareness that it did in the attitude era and it certainly hasn't reached the level of Hulkamania. So really, Wrestling IS hot right now. Within wrestling. But saying it's the hottest it's ever been like I've seen some people say is crazy. They haven't come close to Hulkamania and they never will. Get back to me when Cody Rhodes has his own kids show that isn't only available on the WWE Network.
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Post by ¡Twist Of 45 and 47! on Apr 20, 2024 3:59:40 GMT -5
I still have my doubts how "hot" wrestling is right now. Until I see a non-wrestling fan where a "Acknowledge Me" shirt, or an "American Nightmare" shirt, or a "Yeet!" shirt, then I can't justify wrestling being "hot" again. The wrestling fans are enjoying the WWE product right now, but during the late 90s we had actual non wrestling fans wearing NWO, DX and Austin 3:16 shirts because it was a trend to do so, without even really knowing what the hell it was. So to me, time will truly tell. Some of the various sports teams from around the world acknowledging Roman.
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Post by rkmo: Autonomous Meat Shield on Apr 20, 2024 4:07:53 GMT -5
I still have my doubts how "hot" wrestling is right now. Until I see a non-wrestling fan where a "Acknowledge Me" shirt, or an "American Nightmare" shirt, or a "Yeet!" shirt, then I can't justify wrestling being "hot" again. The wrestling fans are enjoying the WWE product right now, but during the late 90s we had actual non wrestling fans wearing NWO, DX and Austin 3:16 shirts because it was a trend to do so, without even really knowing what the hell it was. So to me, time will truly tell. Some of the various sports teams from around the world acknowledging Roman. Sports and wrestling traditionally go hand in hand. You see videos all the time of sports stars copping wrestling taglines and mannerisms. Testosterone bros, really.
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Post by shanieomaniac on Apr 20, 2024 12:05:52 GMT -5
Some of the various sports teams from around the world acknowledging Roman. Sports and wrestling traditionally go hand in hand. You see videos all the time of sports stars copping wrestling taglines and mannerisms. Testosterone bros, really. Yeah, there have been baseball players who use entrance themes for ages now, some of which are literally wrestling themes. ETA: Jon Moxley entering through the crowd to Wild Thing is essentially a direct callback to a BASEBALL movie.
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Apr 20, 2024 13:10:01 GMT -5
I still have my doubts how "hot" wrestling is right now. Until I see a non-wrestling fan where a "Acknowledge Me" shirt, or an "American Nightmare" shirt, or a "Yeet!" shirt, then I can't justify wrestling being "hot" again. The wrestling fans are enjoying the WWE product right now, but during the late 90s we had actual non wrestling fans wearing NWO, DX and Austin 3:16 shirts because it was a trend to do so, without even really knowing what the hell it was. So to me, time will truly tell. I had friends who aren't wrestling fans tuning into Mania. That was a surprise. But they're also more open to any excuse to get together now that we all have kids. Also in 1998 at school I would still be called gay slurs if I wore a wrestling shirt. They loved doing the D-X crotch chops but didn't care it was from wrestling.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Apr 20, 2024 15:30:48 GMT -5
I still have my doubts how "hot" wrestling is right now. Until I see a non-wrestling fan where a "Acknowledge Me" shirt, or an "American Nightmare" shirt, or a "Yeet!" shirt, then I can't justify wrestling being "hot" again. The wrestling fans are enjoying the WWE product right now, but during the late 90s we had actual non wrestling fans wearing NWO, DX and Austin 3:16 shirts because it was a trend to do so, without even really knowing what the hell it was. So to me, time will truly tell. I had friends who aren't wrestling fans tuning into Mania. That was a surprise. But they're also more open to any excuse to get together now that we all have kids. Also in 1998 at school I would still be called gay slurs if I wore a wrestling shirt. They loved doing the D-X crotch chops but didn't care it was from wrestling.
I was in my last year of high school then and everyone loved wrestling, even the non-wrestling fans became fans because it was so cool and trendy then. It was almost like a legit trend everyone was into then. You had to watch WWF Monday Night Raw during that era! Even the girls in high school then were watching it. Crazy stuff!
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Apr 20, 2024 16:20:36 GMT -5
I had friends who aren't wrestling fans tuning into Mania. That was a surprise. But they're also more open to any excuse to get together now that we all have kids. Also in 1998 at school I would still be called gay slurs if I wore a wrestling shirt. They loved doing the D-X crotch chops but didn't care it was from wrestling. I was in my last year of high school then and everyone loved wrestling, even the non-wrestling fans became fans because it was so cool and trendy then. It was almost like a legit trend everyone was into then. You had to watch WWF Monday Night Raw during that era! Even the girls in high school then were watching it. Crazy stuff! Ah yes, I was in grade 6/7 so wildly different age groups. Plus rural Nova Scotia.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Apr 20, 2024 17:11:11 GMT -5
I was in my last year of high school then and everyone loved wrestling, even the non-wrestling fans became fans because it was so cool and trendy then. It was almost like a legit trend everyone was into then. You had to watch WWF Monday Night Raw during that era! Even the girls in high school then were watching it. Crazy stuff! Ah yes, I was in grade 6/7 so wildly different age groups. Plus rural Nova Scotia.
Rural Ontario for myself! Luckily a guy named Jeremy who ended up becoming pro wrestler "Eric Young" was mega cool in high school and one of my best friends, so he helped make others make wrestling cool too. If Jer liked it, then we all have to like it was their mindset on it. Where as Jer, a buddy Mike and I watched the WWF/WCW stuff constantly even through the bad times before wrestling got popular in the late 90s.
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Post by BØRNS on Apr 20, 2024 18:37:57 GMT -5
There is no doubt that TKO, HHH, Rock etc have really turned WWE around and this has been a real hot period for the company, but will it be long term? WM season is over, The Rock is gone so can Cody & Priest carry the company? Cody's story is over so will fans get bored and turn? Also, merely minutes after Priest won the World Title people already started making Undertaker jokes about him online. Seth, Becky & Roman are currently on a hiatus and Ripley is on the shelf so that's a lot of top stars absent for Post WM This is literally something I'm worried about. In the span of a week, they lost four of their biggest main eventers, three of which were the world champions two weeks ago. Priest I don't think is gonna come close to carrying Raw as a main eventer, not when they just lost Rhea as the driving force of TJD to play off of. Cody is the biggest star of the company but you can't stand a tower with one leg, plus, I've already seen evidence on social media of people turning on him hard. (Yes, it happens that fast.) Sami and Jey were once top stars, as was Kevin, but they're all stuck firmly in the midcard right now. And Jimmy just got thrown in a ditch where the only thing they have left for him is to put him back with his brother again. The Bloodline is in the rebuilding phase and time will tell if Solo has what it takes to drive the faction without his brothers or his cousin. Bayley *could* carry the women's division, but god knows they have no interest in letting her. Liv isn't any more ready for the main event than she was when she was actual champion. If they try to make Jade too big a star too fast, people are gonna wise up VERY fast to how green she still is. Charlotte is still injured, she can't help. And Tiffany is good, but she was just called up, I don't think it would be the best idea to make her the star of the women's division immediately. Not until the main roster only viewers warm up to her first. So really, the WWE is in a huge pickle right now, especially going into the draft. All of the "Top Picks" are either injured or no longer Top Picks that you would build a show around. We'll see if they can keep the momentum going with so many gaps in the roster. Only time will tell Those are all good points that I'm in agreement with. I'd definitely have Cody front and center. He can easily have a year-plus long reign with pretty much anyone on the roster. I'd elevate a lot of the mid-carders you mentioned by having main-event programs with him. Currently Styles, next I'd have him extend face challenges to Zayn and Owens who were in his corner in the WM39 build. The big program I want to see from Cody is with Orton. Cody will be amazing as a heel champion when he turns. Being better than his dad would be great heel move and I'm not sure if it's really been done before. Priest as WHC was a huge mistake and shows you the company is not making all the best decisions. I'd have Priest and Finn feud and have Finn take it off him pretty quick. Finn is a credible champion, never lost the Universal title, can be a huge merch seller and money maker for the company. The kids love him, the adults love him, the women love him. He's money all around, great worker, is decent on the mic, has an amazing look and mystique. It's a shame his fluke injury held him back by Vince for so long, but he's probably in better shape than anyone on the roster. I'd have Finn take the WHC off Priest, and eventually have Gunther take it off Finn. The women's roster is so stacked right now even with Rhea and Charlotte gone. Can easily run tons of programs with Bianca, Becky, Bayley, Naomi, Tiffany, Asuka, Liv, etc. I don't care for this "new" Bloodline. It scream desperate and will overstay it's welcome. This will be the thing the fans will turn on the quickest. The biggest draw there is Heyman. There's lots on the horizon with Punk and McIntyre, Punk and Seth once they're both back. They'd utilize Rey more if they were smart, instead of mixing him in with jobbers.
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Post by J-MANN on Apr 20, 2024 19:04:53 GMT -5
We in good hands.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Apr 22, 2024 17:51:21 GMT -5
There is no doubt that TKO, HHH, Rock etc have really turned WWE around and this has been a real hot period for the company, but will it be long term? WM season is over, The Rock is gone so can Cody & Priest carry the company? Cody's story is over so will fans get bored and turn? Also, merely minutes after Priest won the World Title people already started making Undertaker jokes about him online. Seth, Becky & Roman are currently on a hiatus and Ripley is on the shelf so that's a lot of top stars absent for Post WM It's gonna be hard but I hope they maintain the success...no Rock,Reigns, Seth, Becky, Brock, Rhea, Punk is on & off, Gunther back tonight... a lot of top stars gone but at least other talent can potentially shine now.
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Post by Liquid Swordsman on Apr 23, 2024 0:17:21 GMT -5
I wouldn't say it's a "booming period" and I'm not sure if we'll ever get another one.
But I will say, the product definitely feels more genuine and has more charm. It's not perfect, but they're doing something right if I can actually sit through an episode of Raw and Smackdown without feeling uninterested. WWE feels like it has it's own identity that I'm invested in, but I just can't explain and put my finger on it.
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Apr 23, 2024 12:38:09 GMT -5
I'm pleased with alot of what I've seen over the past couple of years but there's still some things I'd love some improvement on.
The PLEs usually deliver with great matches and overall good shows. TV wise, still kinda boring but there's more good to the TV shows. I still feel like Raw and Smackdown are just giant infomercials for WWE.
Storytelling seems sharper and with more cohesive storylines. Lots of callbacks. Better use of certain talent while others not so much.
One thing that stands out is how great it feels to hear certain words on WWE TV, like wrestling. Just goes to show how much effect Vince had on the product and fans. He deserves every ounce of backlash that he's gotten over the years. Hopefully this new regime can repair some of the damage done to fans over the years but time will tell.
Globally, WWE is bigger than ever. US wise, I don't think they're anywhere as popular or important as the attitude era was no matter what the say.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Apr 23, 2024 13:22:27 GMT -5
I'm pleased with alot of what I've seen over the past couple of years but there's still some things I'd love some improvement on. The PLEs usually deliver with great matches and overall good shows. TV wise, still kinda boring but there's more good to the TV shows. I still feel like Raw and Smackdown are just giant infomercials for WWE. Storytelling seems sharper and with more cohesive storylines. Lots of callbacks. Better use of certain talent while others not so much. One thing that stands out is how great it feels to hear certain words on WWE TV, like wrestling. Just goes to show how much effect Vince had on the product and fans. He deserves every ounce of backlash that he's gotten over the years. Hopefully this new regime can repair some of the damage done to fans over the years but time will tell. Globally, WWE is bigger than ever. US wise, I don't think they're anywhere as popular or important as the attitude era was no matter what the say. Can't even compare to Attitude Era, ever. But they making crazy money nowadays.
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Post by J-MANN on Apr 23, 2024 13:39:55 GMT -5
Attitude era will forever be goated.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Apr 23, 2024 13:58:56 GMT -5
Attitude era will forever be goated. Unbelievable times. Nowadays WWE is still breaking records tho, a lot of eyes on the product.
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 23, 2024 18:25:43 GMT -5
Attitude era will forever be goated. Unbelievable times. Nowadays WWE is still breaking records tho, a lot of eyes on the product. I think the WWE is definitely doing better today than they have in a long time, maybe since the height of the ruthless aggression era. But I'm always skeptical about the records they keep mentioning. Most of the time they mention highest revenue instead of profits. Of course, they are getting higher revenue now than they did in the early 2000s or before, tickets cost a lot more. If you sold 70,000 tickets in the 80s at 20 bucks a piece (on average) and you sell 60,000 tickets now at 40 bucks a piece (on average - being generous), then of course you are bringing in more revenue, but that doesn't mean you are making more profits. The stadiums to rent cost a lot more than they did back then - among other things - which would cut into their profits, which is why they always say revenue. Same thing with 172,000+ tickets sold over the weekend (for WM40), of course they sold more tickets for an event than ever before, up until recently (covid years, correct?) they never had 2 nights of WrestleMania's. Imagine if WM3 was over 2 nights (number of tickets sold range from 78,000 to 93,000), their number of tickets sold would have been higher, too. Same with the attitude era. Not to mention, a lot of what generates some of their biggest revenue & profits currently is the TV contracts and their network library. They made 1 billion from Peacock for access to their media library - that doesn't just include the current product. I would like to know how much they are making from just today's product (house shows, PLE's, merchandise - not including legends deals, etc.) compared to previous eras, adjusted for inflation. That would be interesting to see.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Apr 23, 2024 19:43:05 GMT -5
Unbelievable times. Nowadays WWE is still breaking records tho, a lot of eyes on the product. I think the WWE is definitely doing better today than they have in a long time, maybe since the height of the ruthless aggression era. But I'm always skeptical about the records they keep mentioning. Most of the time they mention highest revenue instead of profits. Of course, they are getting higher revenue now than they did in the early 2000s or before, tickets cost a lot more. If you sold 70,000 tickets in the 80s at 20 bucks a piece (on average) and you sell 60,000 tickets now at 40 bucks a piece (on average - being generous), then of course you are bringing in more revenue, but that doesn't mean you are making more profits. The stadiums to rent cost a lot more than they did back then - among other things - which would cut into their profits, which is why they always say revenue. Same thing with 172,000+ tickets sold over the weekend (for WM40), of course they sold more tickets for an event than ever before, up until recently (covid years, correct?) they never had 2 nights of WrestleMania's. Imagine if WM3 was over 2 nights (number of tickets sold range from 78,000 to 93,000), their number of tickets sold would have been higher, too. Same with the attitude era. Not to mention, a lot of what generates some of their biggest revenue & profits currently is the TV contracts and their network library. They made 1 billion from Peacock for access to their media library - that doesn't just include the current product. I would like to know how much they are making from just today's product (house shows, PLE's, merchandise - not including legends deals, etc.) compared to previous eras, adjusted for inflation. That would be interesting to see. Very great points. The Attitude Era & 80s was just a legit booming time...whole world was watching, no joke. The coolest thing around back then. I'd say nowadays it's still great to sell out all these shows in a row, 21 I think it was in a row. RAWs,SDs,PLEs constantly getting 10K,20K is impressive nowadays. Stadium shows getting 50-75K is crazy. 150K nearly for 2 nights of WM40 is mad. I'd say right now is the best it's been since maybe 2004-2008. I'll always love the 80s,90s,2000s,etc.
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