|
Post by Flair Forever on May 11, 2024 19:44:37 GMT -5
The funny thing is that there is nothing in that particular sentence that is inaccurate. He signed a deal that includes action figures. The action figures are made by Mattel. And there’s 11 months on that contract. Idk why OP cares about the difference between Legend and Nostalgia contracts. Both are offered by WWE and neither are offered by Mattel. Because he said he is not under a legends contract and made no mention of a "Nostalgia" contract or being under one. If its just a merch contract that includes mattel wwe figures in the deal, why can't other people get merch only deals ? What other merch has wwe made with his likeness on it ? I think video game deals are separate. Don't you think others ARE on these sorts of contracts? CLEARLY Billy Gunn and Jake The Snake Roberts AREN'T on standard Legends contracts either because they are working for a rival company. Sounds to me like they have a similar arrangement; "merchandise and licensing". "Freedom" as Bischoff himself said in the Podcast clip. I tend to think Samu is on this kind of contract too. I speak to him sometimes, and no, I probably won't ask him because I think it would be rude to ask "what kind of contract do you have". But I know he wasn't too interested in a Legends contract but we recently got a Legends figure. As I said earlier, I don't know any inside info, but I'd bet good money that Hulk Hogan doesn't get a standard Legends contract. Hogan licenses his "Hulkamania" IP portfolio out, probably to the most lucrative bidder. My gut-instinct says that's why Mattel is milking this Hogan license for every penny, because it probably ISN'T a regular Legends contract. Not only is Hogan a loose cannon - he could simply find another company willing to pay more than WWE for his IP and then WWE/Mattel is out-the-door. Do you think Stacy Keibler is on a "Legends Contract?" We haven't seen her make any WWE appeareances, only the Legends figure that I know of. What about Captain Lou Albano? I'll bet there are several Superstars on merchandise contracts.
|
|
marvelelite
Superstar
Joined on: Aug 1, 2019 2:11:34 GMT -5
Posts: 637
|
Post by marvelelite on May 11, 2024 20:55:54 GMT -5
I'd imagine Muhammad Ali is on lucrative deal like Hulk hence why Mattel is pushing his figures out the door. No grand conspiracy like some people try to make it out to be.
|
|
Mr. Yellow
Mid-Carder
Joined on: Apr 19, 2020 11:58:32 GMT -5
Posts: 281
Member is Online
|
Post by Mr. Yellow on May 11, 2024 20:57:59 GMT -5
This whole thread is exhausting.
Speaking as someone who loves to know things and details like this much more than the next person, acting like this is a conspiracy and continuously arguing with Steve about this is beyond ridiculous. Contract details are not public for many reasons, and we're not meant to know this information.
Mattel releases what they can and deem appreciate based on a myriad of things we'll never know. Mattel is not rubbing their collectives hands together and purposely avoiding releasing your favorite talent. WWE, Mattel, et al all have factors as to why they do business with certain people and / or their estates. People who are established or organized enough to represent themselves as more than just a name but a brand (Hogan, Andre, etc) do not have the same deals other lower tier based talent (it is a tough pill to swallow, but even if you ask Jeremy Padawer, he had to sort names into tiers of potential profitability). In current times, where more talent are becoming "smart" in branding themselves, the need for structured contracts exists. The fact that WWE is willing to play a bit more fast and loose with these deals is encouraging. Would I love for the days of Classic Superstars contracts to return? Obviously, and sure Mattel would as well, but it's very unlikely, even in the "new era" we're in. I don't know if the license is deemed worthy enough by Mattel to sign people directly for what they would want, etc.
|
|
mrh
Main Eventer
Joined on: Sept 1, 2018 0:11:53 GMT -5
Posts: 3,452
|
Post by mrh on May 11, 2024 22:54:00 GMT -5
It is SO simple. If there is a deal that allows for action figures -- the figure can be made. Now we know that not all deals that allow figures are "Legends" deals - and some "Legends" deals might possibly not allow figures (Steve didn't stay that, just my speculation). THE END. If you can find a time where Action Figure Attack actually said "Legends deal" - then the policy has changed since then, or Steve could have been a bit clearer. Either way, let it go.
|
|
|
Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on May 12, 2024 1:56:06 GMT -5
This is genuinely pathetic and embarrassing behaviour at a level beyond what’s ever been seen on here before. I really hope OP is a child because an adult should not be acting so obnoxiously wrongheaded. Mattel, for about the last ten years, have only made toys of talent who WWE has a merchandise deal with. That is still the case. Tying yourself in knots over the semantics of what the “name” of that contract is won’t change that. I’m pleased to see literally everybody else trying to explain this very easy to understand concept. I’m baffled as to what OP was hoping to achieve with this conspiracy nonsense. Point scoring? Ted Arcidi figures?
|
|
Sting
Main Eventer
The Wolfpac
Joined on: Mar 25, 2018 14:33:11 GMT -5
Posts: 2,554
|
Post by Sting on May 12, 2024 2:09:34 GMT -5
All I care is that Mattel can make more Erics
|
|
|
Post by cableV on May 12, 2024 10:04:43 GMT -5
Sounds like the perfect deal for Sting.
|
|
|
Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on May 12, 2024 10:46:42 GMT -5
Sounds like the perfect deal for Sting. I love Sting. Imo the Monday Night Wars line is incomplete without him. He was the franchise.
|
|
|
Post by kirk815 on May 12, 2024 11:03:12 GMT -5
This is genuinely pathetic and embarrassing behaviour at a level beyond what’s ever been seen on here before. I really hope OP is a child because an adult should not be acting so obnoxiously wrongheaded. Mattel, for about the last ten years, have only made toys of talent who WWE has a merchandise deal with. That is still the case. Tying yourself in knots over the semantics of what the “name” of that contract is won’t change that. I’m pleased to see literally everybody else trying to explain this very easy to understand concept. I’m baffled as to what OP was hoping to achieve with this conspiracy nonsense. Point scoring? Ted Arcidi figures? This is not the first time the OP has done this. He expects/demands that Mattel tells us everything involved in their business decisions and what goes on behind the scenes. One of the downsides to Steve and Bill being so easily accessible (to a lesser extent now that he doesn't post on this board and mainly only participates in WM weekend, SDCC, Ringside fest, etc.). The entitlement runs strong with a few people on here. Even if WWE allowed Mattel to sign their own deals, they probably wouldn't. Doesn't make sense from a business standpoint when you already have hundreds of current roster and Legends available through WWE. I want more FTIL just like everybody on here, but some people on here just don't understand that Mattel/WWE is never going to just release FTIL figures in every line or create a full line. They rotate people in/out of contracts and only have so many spots available for Legends. And why would most talent sign if they are only going to get one figure in 3/5 years because Mattel has too many people under contract?
|
|
|
Post by kirk815 on May 12, 2024 11:29:45 GMT -5
Because he said he is not under a legends contract and made no mention of a "Nostalgia" contract or being under one. If its just a merch contract that includes mattel wwe figures in the deal, why can't other people get merch only deals ? What other merch has wwe made with his likeness on it ? I think video game deals are separate. Don't you think others ARE on these sorts of contracts? CLEARLY Billy Gunn and Jake The Snake Roberts AREN'T on standard Legends contracts either because they are working for a rival company. Sounds to me like they have a similar arrangement; "merchandise and licensing". "Freedom" as Bischoff himself said in the Podcast clip. I tend to think Samu is on this kind of contract too. I speak to him sometimes, and no, I probably won't ask him because I think it would be rude to ask "what kind of contract do you have". But I know he wasn't too interested in a Legends contract but we recently got a Legends figure. As I said earlier, I don't know any inside info, but I'd bet good money that Hulk Hogan doesn't get a standard Legends contract. Hogan licenses his "Hulkamania" IP portfolio out, probably to the most lucrative bidder. My gut-instinct says that's why Mattel is milking this Hogan license for every penny, because it probably ISN'T a regular Legends contract. Not only is Hogan a loose cannon - he could simply find another company willing to pay more than WWE for his IP and then WWE/Mattel is out-the-door. Do you think Stacy Keibler is on a "Legends Contract?" We haven't seen her make any WWE appeareances, only the Legends figure that I know of. What about Captain Lou Albano? I'll bet there are several Superstars on merchandise contracts. Bret Hart has also said in the past that he is under a merch deal and not a Legends contract. There are certain people that WWE makes exceptions for - obviously, it makes sense that Bret and Eric would have more bargaining power over the people that WWE can get to sign a Legends deal ("I think I’m one of the few guys that doesn’t because—these Legends contracts sound great, but they own your soul. It’s like signing your life to the devil,” Hart told radio station 680 News in Toronto last summer. “I’m Bret ‘the Hitman’ Hart and I don’t want to give WWE my name.”) As for Hercules, WWE (Vince) probably had some petty reason not to sign him. Mattel only has so many people a year that they can push WWE to sign - he probably wouldn't be at the top of the list.
|
|
|
Post by Nivro™ on May 12, 2024 11:45:00 GMT -5
Bischoff has a deal with WWE that allows for action figures. Mystery solved. Is this something similar to how Billy Gunn/Jake Roberts deals are? They dont have Legends deal per say but a deal for action figures which is why (until recently) both were in AEW but werent getting action figures yet were both being regularly released in the WWE/Mattel line?
|
|
|
Post by LK3 on May 12, 2024 11:56:16 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by TheHitmanKid on May 12, 2024 12:36:30 GMT -5
I just want an Eric Elite that isn't exclusive to a ring or store.
|
|
|
Post by TheHitmanKid on May 12, 2024 12:37:25 GMT -5
Sounds like the perfect deal for Sting. 😍😍
|
|
powerfred3k
Main Eventer
Joined on: Aug 12, 2012 22:12:11 GMT -5
Posts: 3,783
|
Post by powerfred3k on May 12, 2024 13:02:52 GMT -5
My whole point of this thread was just a few years ago a merch only deal was not even possible and i think that was wrong.
There are right now other retired wrestlers that are signing deals with these newer upstart toy collectible companies and are getting figure made.
Also when retired talents have merch deals and the only merch that is produced are wwe mattel figures, that is pretty much a mattel figure deal.
So anyway if the mods want to lock this up go for it.
|
|
voicesinmyhead
Main Eventer
Joined on: Mar 4, 2009 19:21:00 GMT -5
Posts: 1,594
|
Post by voicesinmyhead on May 12, 2024 14:27:50 GMT -5
My whole point of this thread was just a few years ago a merch only deal was not even possible and i think that was wrong. There are right now other retired wrestlers that are signing deals with these newer upstart toy collectible companies and are getting figure made. Also when retired talents have merch deals and the only merch that is produced are wwe mattel figures, that is pretty much a mattel figure deal. So anyway if the mods want to lock this up go for it. Still wrong. There are no “Mattel figure deals.” There are WWE deals that allow Mattel to make figures. Mattel has not signed anyone personally. Other companies like Major Bendies and ZST sign talent, yes. But Mattel does not. It is not how the WWE-Mattel relationship works. End. Of. Story.
|
|
|
Post by Fighter Hayabusa on May 12, 2024 14:52:13 GMT -5
Yeah these deals have been pretty flexible for years now. Andre, Bulldog, Warlord, Macho (when he was signed), Sarge, etc aren't exclusive. Guys like DDP, Bret, Gunn, Jake have all appeared on or have permanent employment with AEW.
|
|
|
Post by LA Times on May 12, 2024 15:08:23 GMT -5
Ken Shamrock has had a number of Mattel figures the past few years but only started having merchandise on WWE Shop a few months ago.
|
|
|
Post by LK3 on May 12, 2024 17:54:35 GMT -5
I don’t know the appropriate terms that come after double, triple, quadruple, but this dude is more than quadrupling down on not being able to comprehend any of this.
|
|
|
Post by rkmo: Autonomous Meat Shield on May 12, 2024 18:06:48 GMT -5
I don’t know the appropriate terms that come after double, triple, quadruple, but this dude is more than quadrupling down on not being able to comprehend any of this. You're looking for "too damn many times"
|
|