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Post by jason1980s on Jul 14, 2024 16:09:12 GMT -5
My best guess is a pricing error that was caught late in the game. Just sucks they handled it the way they did. Could've gone about it alot more professionally between the organizer of the show to Foley and his camp There was a story like that with Bret Hart's agent a few years ago. The fan paid to get an item signed, IIRC either a funko or a Simpsons toy. When he got to the line the agent said it was a higher dollar amount for that particular item. I can't remember if he decided to pay or left. |
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Post by Lone Wölf on Jul 14, 2024 16:59:08 GMT -5
My best guess is a pricing error that was caught late in the game. Just sucks they handled it the way they did. Could've gone about it alot more professionally between the organizer of the show to Foley and his camp There was a story like that with Bret Hart's agent a few years ago. The fan paid to get an item signed, IIRC either a funko or a Simpsons toy. When he got to the line the agent said it was a higher dollar amount for that particular item. I can't remember if he decided to pay or left. I've never understood charging a different amount just because of a different item |
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Post by LA Times on Jul 14, 2024 17:36:21 GMT -5
There's an episode on the Ultimate Warrior's memorabilia tonight after an A&E Biography on The Miz.
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Post by jason1980s on Jul 15, 2024 11:59:13 GMT -5
I've never understood charging a different amount just because of a different item Some wrestlers and agents feel certain items hold a premium if signed and re-sold. One example is getting rookie cards signed and graded and then selling for a much higher price on ebay. Seeing this led the promoter Fiterman to charge a much higher price for guys like Taker and Flair to sign them. Charging more for certain items ultimately can probably be chalked up to greed. At some shows, certain people won't sign certain items at all. Now that, I don't understand. At a sports card show Lynn Swann of the Steelers won't sign goal line art cards at all. |
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Post by Lone Wölf on Jul 15, 2024 12:01:51 GMT -5
I've never understood charging a different amount just because of a different item Some wrestlers and agents feel certain items hold a premium if signed and re-sold. One example is getting rookie cards signed and graded and then selling for a much higher price on ebay. Seeing this led the promoter Fiterman to charge a much higher price for guys like Taker and Flair to sign them. Charging more for certain items ultimately can probably be chalked up to greed. At some shows, certain people won't sign certain items at all. Now that, I don't understand. At a sports card show Lynn Swann of the Steelers won't sign goal line art cards at all. I recall seeing something about Undertaker won't sign one of the Hasbro figures or a specific trading card |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 15, 2024 12:37:14 GMT -5
I honestly feel that these Most Wanted Treasured episodes are completely fake.
How do these wrestlers lose such items?? The Miz one was a perfect example. Somehow his tights and kick pads he wore when he won his first IC Title belonged to some fan but the red tights Miz wore constantly while he was US Champion were still in the Miz's possession??
I don't believe it at all. It comes off terribly fake. Every "fan" on there seems like they are paid by the WWE to put on a show.
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Post by rkmo: No Action, No Guts on Jul 15, 2024 12:38:41 GMT -5
I honestly feel that these Most Wanted Treasured episodes are completely fake. How do these wrestlers lose such items?? The Miz one was a perfect example. Somehow his tights and kick pads he wore when he won his first IC Title belonged to some fan but the red tights Miz wore constantly while he was US Champion were still in the Miz's possession?? I don't believe it at all. It comes off terribly fake. Every "fan" on there seems like they are paid by the WWE to put on a show. Kayfabe still alive and kickin' brother. |
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Post by The Brain on Jul 15, 2024 13:00:24 GMT -5
Some wrestlers and agents feel certain items hold a premium if signed and re-sold. One example is getting rookie cards signed and graded and then selling for a much higher price on ebay. Seeing this led the promoter Fiterman to charge a much higher price for guys like Taker and Flair to sign them. Charging more for certain items ultimately can probably be chalked up to greed. At some shows, certain people won't sign certain items at all. Now that, I don't understand. At a sports card show Lynn Swann of the Steelers won't sign goal line art cards at all. I recall seeing something about Undertaker won't sign one of the Hasbro figures or a specific trading card I know he wont sign Mean Mark at all. It's the reason why I had to pass on the Mattel fig they were selling for his private signing a while back |
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Post by Lone Wölf on Jul 15, 2024 13:05:31 GMT -5
I recall seeing something about Undertaker won't sign one of the Hasbro figures or a specific trading card I know he wont sign Mean Mark at all. It's the reason why I had to pass on the Mattel fig they were selling for his private signing a while back The more we learn about Taker these last few years he sure is a peculiar guy |
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Post by jason1980s on Jul 15, 2024 22:56:02 GMT -5
The shows do seem a bit scripted which is funny since the A&E bio series seems very truthful and not worked with the bios.
I do also wonder how some things get lost. But sometimes the memorabilia means more to the fans than the wrestlers.
It was 1991 rookie cards and I think tickets that Undertaker wouldn't sign. This was the same for Ric Flair and both are presented by Fiterman Sports. A rule like that is his rather than theirs, I think. It's a shame Taker won't sign as Mean Mark especially since the toy was produced through a WWE licensed company.
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Post by OTC Waxbender on Jul 16, 2024 8:20:31 GMT -5
Never seen it but even shows like Pawn Stars are completely scripted in the sense that people actually have the items, agree on a price before hand and then pretend to finagle on the show about the price when they sell it with other paid actors in the background pretending to shop. Shop is still real, the sale is still real but the circumstances of the sale itself are predetermined. Also for people who are owning items that you think they shouldn't, they could have been discarded, stolen or sold first. Lots of wrestlers seem to lose their gear over the years via a plethora of means. Baggage was lost, it was stolen or misplaced etc.
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Post by rkmo: No Action, No Guts on Jul 16, 2024 8:37:11 GMT -5
Never seen it but even shows like Pawn Stars are completely scripted in the sense that people actually have the items, agree on a price before hand and then pretend to finagle on the show about the price when they sell it with other paid actors in the background pretending to shop. Shop is still real, the sale is still real but the circumstances of the sale itself are predetermined. Also for people who are owning items that you think they shouldn't, they could have been discarded, stolen or sold first. Lots of wrestlers seem to lose their gear over the years via a plethora of means. Baggage was lost, it was stolen or misplaced etc. Plus reality shows like Pawn Stars and Storage Wars actively scout locations, people, and items, even plant them into the show, just to get them on. |
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Post by Nick the Quick on Jul 16, 2024 9:52:25 GMT -5
I honestly feel that these Most Wanted Treasured episodes are completely fake. How do these wrestlers lose such items?? The Miz one was a perfect example. Somehow his tights and kick pads he wore when he won his first IC Title belonged to some fan but the red tights Miz wore constantly while he was US Champion were still in the Miz's possession?? I don't believe it at all. It comes off terribly fake. Every "fan" on there seems like they are paid by the WWE to put on a show. I remember watching the Flair episode where his butterfly robe that had been missing for 25 years that nobody had even a hint of where it could be suddenly pops up while they’re filming the episode. |
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Post by Flair Forever on Jul 20, 2024 20:34:51 GMT -5
Would love to hear that story. I make it sound worse than what it was but it just pissed me off I went to an autograph show a couple of years ago and met several wrestlers. I had preordered all of my tickets so when I got to the show I got my packet of tickets for the signing and noticed my auto and pic combo had been scratched off for Foley. I asked the people at the ticket desk what it's about and all they said was "they'll explain down at the table".. fast forward some and I'm in line to meet Mick. I get close to the front and there's an agent checking tickets. When he gets to mine I ask about the combo being scratched off and all he said was "they got it messed up. It's another $20 for a photo." I had a 20 on me but it was the principle at this point. I showed my confirmation email that showed I clearly paid for the combo. Agent wouldn't budge and I offered no extra money. I get up to Mick's table and he doesn't even look at me and he sarcastically asked me "so no Pic, eh?" Sure it's only 20 bucks but I paid for a combo and if it was an error then don't wait til people are in line to squeeze them for another 20 when you had months to do the match and make sure the pricing on the tickets were correct. I just hear of Mick being nice and jolly and all that and it wasn't my experience. I'm with you, man. You hear all these stories about Foley but the 2-3 times I've met him, he was borderline snotty, usually nickel & diming someone over something.... not polite or anything. I honestly can't remember the exact circumstances but I walked away scratching my head each time.... I had a sort of similar experience to your Foley signing with the Million Dollar Man. This was a "free" signing.... meaning you paid admission to the minor-league baseball game & you get an autograph/photo with The Million Dollar Man! I was in the process of building my collection of signed JAKKS Classic Superstars at the time & my ONLY concern with the event was getting this action figure signed. Well I waited in line, and when I got the the front, the handler said "he can't sign that." "What do you mean? Why not?" I asked. "Flats only. No items." I just sort of stood there dumbfounded.... and the entire line just stopped, like no one knew what to do. Getting the figure signed was the only reason I went to the damn baseball game! I wasn't sure what to do next.... I mean, I wasn't unwilling to pay - - - but none of this had been outlined or advertised, it was just "get an autograph". No details or policy had been communicated at any point. After a minute, they said "he can sign it for $20".... "SOLD".... I said & slapped $20 down on the table, which he just put right into his pocket. When we got together for this photo, I whispered "Well, I should have known, the Million Dollar Man would find a way to take my money...." I don't think he appreciated that too much. But oh well, I got my figure signed. It wasn't so much that I didn't want to pay, just the fact that it seemed rather unprofessional "he's signing autographs" but not THIS item. If that's the policy they should have had it laid out in advance, it seemed like they hadn't even thought about it until I walked up.  |
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Post by Flair Forever on Jul 20, 2024 20:45:29 GMT -5
I just watched the Ultimate Warrior "Treasures" show from last weekend.... I had a few thoughts....
* Geez Sheamus seemed rather useless on the outing.... Lita did all the talking, all the back-story.... Sheamus mostly just added "Yeah..." and "Warrior was awesome"....
* The opposite of Sheamus was Jimmy Hart, who brought more energy to this at the age of 80 than Sheamus.... Jimmy was funny, had a Warrior-Story, and was just fun to watch....
* They showed a very brief clip of "Ultimate Maniacs" Warrior in the ring with WWE Champion Bret Hart - - - does anyone know what this match was? I'm assuming it was some sort of Tag Team (or even 6-man Tag Team) dark match..... I'm really curious what this was.
* Interesting that there was zero involvement from Dana Warrior or the kids.... they kept her around on payroll all those years, and finally here's a project where they could have used her, and she's gone..... I think Dana Warrior would have been a nice addition to this show....
* Lita/WWE re-writing history again..... she was saying how much "Respect" Andre The Giant had for the Ultimate Warrior.... all the rumors I've always heard said Andre couldn't stand the guy. I think there are some Heenan shoots out there where he outlines Andres strong DISLIKE of the Ultimate Warrior....
* They don't even pretend anymore that they have to track this stuff down. They just automatically know right away where to go & get the stuff. I kind of liked the "investigation" part like when they were searching for Flair's Black Butterfly Robe.....
* Neat to see those guys amazing memorabilia collections. I really wanna know - - - are any of you guys on this board? I can't imagine they aren't into the Mattel Action figures.... theman, is that you? Are you secretly holding some vintage Hogan shirts in your display cases?
* Overall I enjoyed the show, neat seeing the classic collections & old wrestling clips.... keep these coming, they are always fun!
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Post by Lone Wölf on Jul 20, 2024 22:43:37 GMT -5
I make it sound worse than what it was but it just pissed me off I went to an autograph show a couple of years ago and met several wrestlers. I had preordered all of my tickets so when I got to the show I got my packet of tickets for the signing and noticed my auto and pic combo had been scratched off for Foley. I asked the people at the ticket desk what it's about and all they said was "they'll explain down at the table".. fast forward some and I'm in line to meet Mick. I get close to the front and there's an agent checking tickets. When he gets to mine I ask about the combo being scratched off and all he said was "they got it messed up. It's another $20 for a photo." I had a 20 on me but it was the principle at this point. I showed my confirmation email that showed I clearly paid for the combo. Agent wouldn't budge and I offered no extra money. I get up to Mick's table and he doesn't even look at me and he sarcastically asked me "so no Pic, eh?" Sure it's only 20 bucks but I paid for a combo and if it was an error then don't wait til people are in line to squeeze them for another 20 when you had months to do the match and make sure the pricing on the tickets were correct. I just hear of Mick being nice and jolly and all that and it wasn't my experience. I'm with you, man. You hear all these stories about Foley but the 2-3 times I've met him, he was borderline snotty, usually nickel & diming someone over something.... not polite or anything. I honestly can't remember the exact circumstances but I walked away scratching my head each time.... I had a sort of similar experience to your Foley signing with the Million Dollar Man. This was a "free" signing.... meaning you paid admission to the minor-league baseball game & you get an autograph/photo with The Million Dollar Man! I was in the process of building my collection of signed JAKKS Classic Superstars at the time & my ONLY concern with the event was getting this action figure signed. Well I waited in line, and when I got the the front, the handler said "he can't sign that." "What do you mean? Why not?" I asked. "Flats only. No items." I just sort of stood there dumbfounded.... and the entire line just stopped, like no one knew what to do. Getting the figure signed was the only reason I went to the damn baseball game! I wasn't sure what to do next.... I mean, I wasn't unwilling to pay - - - but none of this had been outlined or advertised, it was just "get an autograph". No details or policy had been communicated at any point. After a minute, they said "he can sign it for $20".... "SOLD".... I said & slapped $20 down on the table, which he just put right into his pocket. When we got together for this photo, I whispered "Well, I should have known, the Million Dollar Man would find a way to take my money...." I don't think he appreciated that too much. But oh well, I got my figure signed. It wasn't so much that I didn't want to pay, just the fact that it seemed rather unprofessional "he's signing autographs" but not THIS item. If that's the policy they should have had it laid out in advance, it seemed like they hadn't even thought about it until I walked up. Well, wrestling is a business full of carnies so can we really be that surprised? "We get them in the door then we charge them more" - at least that's what it feels like I'm glad you got your CS signed Tho. I'm sure that was an easy extra 20 bucks for him |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 22, 2024 12:04:35 GMT -5
I just watched the Ultimate Warrior "Treasures" show from last weekend.... I had a few thoughts.... * Geez Sheamus seemed rather useless on the outing.... Lita did all the talking, all the back-story.... Sheamus mostly just added "Yeah..." and "Warrior was awesome".... * The opposite of Sheamus was Jimmy Hart, who brought more energy to this at the age of 80 than Sheamus.... Jimmy was funny, had a Warrior-Story, and was just fun to watch....
* They showed a very brief clip of "Ultimate Maniacs" Warrior in the ring with WWE Champion Bret Hart - - - does anyone know what this match was? I'm assuming it was some sort of Tag Team (or even 6-man Tag Team) dark match..... I'm really curious what this was. * Interesting that there was zero involvement from Dana Warrior or the kids.... they kept her around on payroll all those years, and finally here's a project where they could have used her, and she's gone..... I think Dana Warrior would have been a nice addition to this show.... * Lita/WWE re-writing history again..... she was saying how much "Respect" Andre The Giant had for the Ultimate Warrior.... all the rumors I've always heard said Andre couldn't stand the guy. I think there are some Heenan shoots out there where he outlines Andres strong DISLIKE of the Ultimate Warrior.... * They don't even pretend anymore that they have to track this stuff down. They just automatically know right away where to go & get the stuff. I kind of liked the "investigation" part like when they were searching for Flair's Black Butterfly Robe..... * Neat to see those guys amazing memorabilia collections. I really wanna know - - - are any of you guys on this board? I can't imagine they aren't into the Mattel Action figures.... theman, is that you? Are you secretly holding some vintage Hogan shirts in your display cases? * Overall I enjoyed the show, neat seeing the classic collections & old wrestling clips.... keep these coming, they are always fun!
That match with Bret and Warrior as partners is on the WWE DVD called WWE Unreleased 1986 - 1995. It's Bret/Warrior vs. Shango/Kamala in a tag match as the dark main event at a Superstars or Challenge taping at the time. It was done Oct. 13th 1992.
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Post by UltimateCollector78 on Jul 22, 2024 12:31:39 GMT -5
I'm with you, man. You hear all these stories about Foley but the 2-3 times I've met him, he was borderline snotty, usually nickel & diming someone over something.... not polite or anything. I honestly can't remember the exact circumstances but I walked away scratching my head each time.... I had a sort of similar experience to your Foley signing with the Million Dollar Man. This was a "free" signing.... meaning you paid admission to the minor-league baseball game & you get an autograph/photo with The Million Dollar Man! I was in the process of building my collection of signed JAKKS Classic Superstars at the time & my ONLY concern with the event was getting this action figure signed. Well I waited in line, and when I got the the front, the handler said "he can't sign that." "What do you mean? Why not?" I asked. "Flats only. No items." I just sort of stood there dumbfounded.... and the entire line just stopped, like no one knew what to do. Getting the figure signed was the only reason I went to the damn baseball game! I wasn't sure what to do next.... I mean, I wasn't unwilling to pay - - - but none of this had been outlined or advertised, it was just "get an autograph". No details or policy had been communicated at any point. After a minute, they said "he can sign it for $20".... "SOLD".... I said & slapped $20 down on the table, which he just put right into his pocket. When we got together for this photo, I whispered "Well, I should have known, the Million Dollar Man would find a way to take my money...." I don't think he appreciated that too much. But oh well, I got my figure signed. It wasn't so much that I didn't want to pay, just the fact that it seemed rather unprofessional "he's signing autographs" but not THIS item. If that's the policy they should have had it laid out in advance, it seemed like they hadn't even thought about it until I walked up. Well, wrestling is a business full of carnies so can we really be that surprised? "We get them in the door then we charge them more" - at least that's what it feels like I'm glad you got your CS signed Tho. I'm sure that was an easy extra 20 bucks for him |
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Post by Flair Forever on Jul 23, 2024 9:08:45 GMT -5
I just watched the Ultimate Warrior "Treasures" show from last weekend.... I had a few thoughts.... * Geez Sheamus seemed rather useless on the outing.... Lita did all the talking, all the back-story.... Sheamus mostly just added "Yeah..." and "Warrior was awesome".... * The opposite of Sheamus was Jimmy Hart, who brought more energy to this at the age of 80 than Sheamus.... Jimmy was funny, had a Warrior-Story, and was just fun to watch....
* They showed a very brief clip of "Ultimate Maniacs" Warrior in the ring with WWE Champion Bret Hart - - - does anyone know what this match was? I'm assuming it was some sort of Tag Team (or even 6-man Tag Team) dark match..... I'm really curious what this was. * Interesting that there was zero involvement from Dana Warrior or the kids.... they kept her around on payroll all those years, and finally here's a project where they could have used her, and she's gone..... I think Dana Warrior would have been a nice addition to this show.... * Lita/WWE re-writing history again..... she was saying how much "Respect" Andre The Giant had for the Ultimate Warrior.... all the rumors I've always heard said Andre couldn't stand the guy. I think there are some Heenan shoots out there where he outlines Andres strong DISLIKE of the Ultimate Warrior.... * They don't even pretend anymore that they have to track this stuff down. They just automatically know right away where to go & get the stuff. I kind of liked the "investigation" part like when they were searching for Flair's Black Butterfly Robe..... * Neat to see those guys amazing memorabilia collections. I really wanna know - - - are any of you guys on this board? I can't imagine they aren't into the Mattel Action figures.... theman, is that you? Are you secretly holding some vintage Hogan shirts in your display cases? * Overall I enjoyed the show, neat seeing the classic collections & old wrestling clips.... keep these coming, they are always fun! That match with Bret and Warrior as partners is on the WWE DVD called WWE Unreleased 1986 - 1995. It's Bret/Warrior vs. Shango/Kamala in a tag match as the dark main event at a Superstars or Challenge taping at the time. It was done Oct. 13th 1992. Thanks for sharing, I do have that DVD and will be taking a look soon. I wonder why they teamed Warrior up with Bret while they were pushing the "Ultimate Maniacs" tag team. Was Macho Man maybe hurt or unavailable? This would have been a cool as another "Ultimate Maniacs" match, as I think the only one they really had was against Money Inc? |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 23, 2024 9:38:23 GMT -5
That match with Bret and Warrior as partners is on the WWE DVD called WWE Unreleased 1986 - 1995. It's Bret/Warrior vs. Shango/Kamala in a tag match as the dark main event at a Superstars or Challenge taping at the time. It was done Oct. 13th 1992. Thanks for sharing, I do have that DVD and will be taking a look soon. I wonder why they teamed Warrior up with Bret while they were pushing the "Ultimate Maniacs" tag team. Was Macho Man maybe hurt or unavailable? This would have been a cool as another "Ultimate Maniacs" match, as I think the only one they really had was against Money Inc?
There is a match before SummerSlam 92 with Warrior and Savage vs. Nasty Boys on Prime Time Wrestling I believe it was. They weren't in their red and yellow tights though but they were tagging together.
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