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Post by JokerFC on Sept 26, 2024 5:08:02 GMT -5
This guy is one of the greatest "what ifs" for me ever in Pro Wrestling. He seemed to have several opportunities to grab the brass ring if you like but he either sidestepped them or the ring was pulled away on him.
When he was Dean Douglas in WWF. Got the IC Title very quickly and was offered membership into the Kliq. He was often laughed at over the kliq thing but Waltman and Hall both said it was true. Had He joined? He would have been a made man(like the rest of the group) and surely would have outgrown his teacher gimmick like HHH with the snob and gone onto greater things with Vince.
Also does this effect him wanting to jump ship with the Radicalz. Different scenario because Vince didn't want him this time around but I often wonder what would have happened to him had he jumped. Had He previously been a member of the Kliq would Vince had taken him back at HHHs request similar to HBK wanting Waltman back in 98?
If Douglas comes back in 2000? Does he get completely lost in the shuffle with the rest of the newly featured talent? Jericho, Angle, Radicalz, Taz etc? Or is his gimmick and charisma enough to make him stand out from the bunch?
Discuss
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Post by K5 on Sept 26, 2024 10:25:17 GMT -5
one thing I feel is certain, is that by 2000 the business had mostly passed him by. he was a solid talker, but in 2000 there were microphone assassins in the wwf. Shane wouldn’t have stood out
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 26, 2024 10:38:25 GMT -5
I always said that Shane messed up in 1995. He gets brought in, works a program with the 123 Kid right off the bat on Superstars and wins. Then works a program with Razor Ramon at Sept. In Your House and wins. It was that night or the next night where he snubbed HBK. The story goes that Shane was signing into the hotel and Shawn came up and said, "come on up to my room, this is the number" so he got the invite. But he didn't like how the Kliq talked about the other wrestlers, and how they were all for themselves. If the wrestler wasn't in with Bret's group, or the BSK, then they were pretty much screwed.
So Shane walked out that night to never go back. HBK took offence to that, and crazy how all of a sudden, Razor can't work with Shane. Moves keep getting messed up. Timing is now off. For Shane just doesn't have "it" but it's too late, Dean Douglas is pencilled in to win the IC Title.
Now if Shane had sided with Shawn that night, I 100% believe that Shawn would have lied down for Dean Douglas and dropped the IC Title to him in a 1,2,3 style of match. Because Shawn would know that when the time came to be WWF Champion and have challengers, he would get his win back over Dean Douglas, probably on a PPV in the main event.
So HBK drops the title to Dean via forfeit, and then Razor wins it 20 minutes later if not less than that. So the belt stays with the Kliq. Dean Douglas may as well wrestled the Undertaker there, because he dug his own WWF grave on dissing the Kliq.
As for in the year 2000, I feel Shane was too broken and beaten from his days in ECW. Especially 1998-1999. Those two years seen Shane's body start to crumble. I remember he came to WCW and within a few months he was injured with an arm injury and was managing Saturn, Malenko and Asya for a while. And he would always seem to have problems with his wrists. I swear he was wearing a cast on one arm and then the other at various times of career from 2000 - 2003.
If you watch his XPW stuff as champion there, he always had an injury too. A broken thumb, a shattered wrist, a torn bicep or peck, something was always wrong with Shane, so he was a drug addict then. He looked like crap.
I am a huge Shane Douglas fan. Loved everything he did from 1992 till he retired. But he is his own worst enemy.
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Post by The Brain on Sept 26, 2024 10:52:43 GMT -5
His Franchise character was perfect for the AE but no way does Vince treat em the same way Heyman did creatively. Knowing Vince he wouldve put em in the Hardcore scene chasing Crash around.
Plus like hbkbdc mentioned his body was a wreck following that 2nd ECW run
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 26, 2024 12:27:32 GMT -5
Great response 👏
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 26, 2024 13:20:56 GMT -5
If I was to fantasy book Shane in the WWF, it should have happened in 1999. If he had remained healthy in 1998/99 and jumped to the WWF in the summer of 1999 then perhaps, but only problem is....
Triple H just turned heel months earlier and was looking EXACTLY like Shane Douglas. The jeans, the shirt, the backwards hat, the beard stubble he had, he looked just like The Franchise, only difference was he was "The Game" instead.
I think Shane, even if he jumped to the WWF in 2000 would have been lost in the shuffle too even if he had remained healthy. I doubt he'd even be the leader of the Radicalz, because I feel they had a lot of hope pinned on Benoit for that. Maybe the same thing would have happened as in WCW, with Benoit becoming the baby face by default, while Shane, Perry and Dean remained a heel threesome. Perhaps The Triple Threat would be used again?? But no way was Eddie gonna remain with them, the path he went with Chyna and being Latino Heat was destined no matter what.
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 26, 2024 13:44:37 GMT -5
If I was to fantasy book Shane in the WWF, it should have happened in 1999. If he had remained healthy in 1998/99 and jumped to the WWF in the summer of 1999 then perhaps, but only problem is.... Triple H just turned heel months earlier and was looking EXACTLY like Shane Douglas. The jeans, the shirt, the backwards hat, the beard stubble he had, he looked just like The Franchise, only difference was he was "The Game" instead. I think Shane, even if he jumped to the WWF in 2000 would have been lost in the shuffle too even if he had remained healthy. I doubt he'd even be the leader of the Radicalz, because I feel they had a lot of hope pinned on Benoit for that. Maybe the same thing would have happened as in WCW, with Benoit becoming the baby face by default, while Shane, Perry and Dean remained a heel threesome. Perhaps The Triple Threat would be used again?? But no way was Eddie gonna remain with them, the path he went with Chyna and being Latino Heat was destined no matter what. JR has said Vince wasn't too keen on Benoit out the gate because of his height. 1st thing he said when he met the Radicalz in person was to remark on how small they were 🤯 |
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Post by nibs92 on Sept 26, 2024 14:15:58 GMT -5
I’m guessing that if Shane had joined the Kliq in 95, he wouldn’t have been as desperate to jump in 2000. All dependant on when he went to WCW of course but presuming he was still thick with the Kliq Hall and Nash would have likely had him in a prominent spot in the NWO.
But let’s say he did join the Kliq and circumstances led to him being part of the Radicalz (and he’s remained healthy - lot of ifs and buts, I know) maybe there’s hope for them all. In the series where they had to win to keep their jobs, Douglas turns and joins his Kliq buddies, ultimately costing the rest their jobs. With Douglas now associated with DX, He, X-Pax and NAO could have feuded with the Radicalz. Would have given Benoit er al something to get their teeth in to and relieves Triple H to rub shoulders with the main event.
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Post by jason88cubs on Sept 26, 2024 14:49:00 GMT -5
He was offered a spot in the Kliq?
That's the first I heard of that I think.
I found it absurd when people made fun of him working at Target. Guy was paying his bills, why would anyone laugh at that?
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Post by LA Times on Sept 26, 2024 15:21:55 GMT -5
He was offered a spot in the Kliq? That's the first I heard of that I think. I found it absurd when people made fun of him working at Target. Guy was paying his bills, why would anyone laugh at that? Back in 2007, wrestling fans were laughing at Shane Douglas for working at Target. Now, wrestling fans are begging for jobs at Target so they can get WWE action figures. 🤦♂️ |
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Post by jason88cubs on Sept 26, 2024 18:18:50 GMT -5
If Shane had joined the Kliq he would have had solid upper run and maybe HE would have gotten the run HHH got when HBK left
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