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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Jun 10, 2007 3:11:48 GMT -5
Travis Blake defeated Mo Sexton
Alicia defeated Sara Del Ray
Danny Demanto defeated Bandido Jr
JAPW NJ State Championship
Grim Reefer defeated Archadia
Samoa Joe defeated Diablo Santiago, B Boy, and Eddie Kingston
Slyck Wagner Brown defeated Deranged
JAPW Tag Team Championship
Homicide & Hernandez defeated Jay Lethal & Azrieal to become the new champions
JAPW Championship
Low Ki defeated AJ Styles
Post Show Notes:
JAPW Returns with Ultimate Rumble on July 21 in Carteret NJ
Oman Tortuga of the Outkast Killaz was involved in a car accident on his way to the show, he is ok but his car was totalled.
No major injuries stemming from the show.
The original BLK OUT member we wanted to book had personal commitments and the other members were committed to previous bookings, so I take full responsibility for the snafu, we are looking to have an increased BLK OUT presence on future shows.
Sara Del Ray impressed JAPW management once again and will be back on future shows if she is available.
Several younger members of the roster also impressed as they stepped up and showed there commitment to JAPW.
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On the JAPW board everyone feels completely different about this show. Some people say it was the best in awhile and some way it was the worst. Two completely different view. I personally think it was one of the stronger shows this year. I know people here will probably get on JAPW for Joe/Kingston not going down and what appears to look like Joker not being on the show but the 4 way was the second best match of the night and it was one of Joe's best outings ever in JAPW. For those who don't know, Samoa Joe has been known to "half ass" his JAPW bookings but he didn't back in April and he certainly didn't tonight. Joe was on fire and was hitting as hard as I've ever seen him hit. He seemed like he was really enjoying himself which is completely different from Samoa Joe in the past where he would just go in there and do his routine. I was a little iffy when I heard the match had turned into a 4 way mainly because Diablo just seemed out of place but he more than held his own with 3 of the hardest hitters in JAPW. It also should be noted that after Joe won a few TNA marks started chanting TNA in and Joe just had a "wtf" look on his face. They were then drowned out by JAPW chants to which Joe nodded and egged on the crowd to continue. The 4 way was great but the tag match stole the show. LAX picking up the belts is a great move by JAPW. The match itself was amazing much like the match with Homicide & B-Boy against Lethal & Az back at Wildcard. It's a shame to see the titles off Lethal & Azrieal so soon but while they make a great tag team they make even better singles wrestlers. Hernandez did amazing tonight, I always liked him but I never realized how good he really was until tonight. I can't wait to see more of him in JAPW, he's quickly becoming one of my favorite guys to watch. Overall a really good show that had 2 matches worth going out of your way to see(the tag title match and the strong style 4 way) and two really good matches in Ki/Styles & Archadia/Reefer as well as one of the better womens matches I've seen recently.
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Post by kevx301 on Jun 10, 2007 11:45:54 GMT -5
Looks pretty good. I think it was a bad move to put Grim Reefer and Archadia together. I'm sure they had a decent match, but both guys needed the win and Archadia dropped down a couple levels from this loss.
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Post by holic08 on Jun 10, 2007 12:10:05 GMT -5
I hope Del Ray "impresses management". She's the best American female wrestler.
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Post by parcle12 on Jun 10, 2007 12:25:09 GMT -5
Unfortunatly as it was for Oman's car accident, they still should have gone with the advertised match of Joe/Kingston as it would have been great. They could have done B-Boy vs. Diablo in a singles match or added them to Reefer & Archadia. Not to mention putting belts on TNA wrestlers is absolutly stupid when they will be pulled at any moment once TNA gets two hours in the fall.
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Post by kevx301 on Jun 10, 2007 13:00:35 GMT -5
Unfortunatly as it was for Oman's car accident, they still should have gone with the advertised match of Joe/Kingston as it would have been great. They could have done B-Boy vs. Diablo in a singles match or added them to Reefer & Archadia. Not to mention putting belts on TNA wrestlers is absolutly stupid when they will be pulled at any moment once TNA gets two hours in the fall. - TNA will not be getting two hours. Ever. - Even if TNA does get two hours, which it will not ever, they still won't increase the number of house shows because they'll still get the same low rating. So JAPW is not stupid for booking TNA talent, the companies other than ROH and PWG are for not using them. They can attract fans and will not be pulled for awhile. JAPW is really smart right now because they can probably get AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Homicide and Hernandez on a lot of shows this year. |
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Post by CBT on Jun 10, 2007 13:11:30 GMT -5
I love Hernandez getting the respect he deserves. He's always impressed me since the days he used to team with Fast Eddie.
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Post by parcle12 on Jun 10, 2007 13:12:52 GMT -5
- TNA will not be getting two hours. Ever. Beginning in September is what I was told by a TNA talent to be left nameless. SPIKE is allegedly thrilled with the product so giving them two hours is going to happen. - Even if TNA does get two hours, which it will not ever, they still won't increase the number of house shows because they'll still get the same low rating. I disagree her from a business standpoint. TNA will run more shows because they have to increase their global standing. They have plans to run outside of the US a lot in late 2007, early 2008. Just because domestic business is weak doesn't mean international business is. - So JAPW is not stupid for booking TNA talent, the companies other than ROH and PWG are for not using them. They can attract fans and will not be pulled for awhile. JAPW is really smart right now because they can probably get AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Homicide and Hernandez on a lot of shows this year. They should use them while they can, but when everyone is pulled it's going to hurt big time. |
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Jun 10, 2007 17:56:36 GMT -5
Looks pretty good. I think it was a bad move to put Grim Reefer and Archadia together. I'm sure they had a decent match, but both guys needed the win and Archadia dropped down a couple levels from this loss. Yeah the match was great, a little on the short side but still great however I think this match was done too early into Reefer's run. Archadia could of used a few more single victory's before getting the shot at Reefer. Hopefully these two go at it again. I'd love to see a long feud between this two for the NJ State Title much like Lethal & Azrieal had a few years back. Unfortunately as it was for Oman's car accident, they still should have gone with the advertised match of Joe/Kingston as it would have been great. They could have done B-Boy vs. Diablo in a singles match or added them to Reefer & Archadia. Not to mention putting belts on TNA wrestlers is absolutly stupid when they will be pulled at any moment once TNA gets two hours in the fall. Samoa Joe had a hurt back. Something involving a disk so rather than him going out there and further hurting himself all the problems were solved and it was turned into a four way and a very good one at that. Unfortunately because many either don't know who Diablo is and he isn't popular with the smart marks this match will be over looked by a lot of indy fans. |
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Post by parcle12 on Jun 10, 2007 19:26:47 GMT -5
Samoa Joe had a hurt back. Something involving a disk so rather than him going out there and further hurting himself all the problems were solved and it was turned into a four way and a very good one at that. Unfortunately because many either don't know who Diablo is and he isn't popular with the smart marks this match will be over looked by a lot of indy fans. Joe's knee and sciatica(SP?) have been terrible for a year plus. He's really got to cut back on indy bookings if he gets the TNA Title next week. If he got hurt during his biggest run, that'd be awful. I think it will be overlooked due to the bait and switch with little to no history behind it. |
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Post by ppk101 on Jun 10, 2007 21:58:25 GMT -5
Woo Travis Blake.
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Post by christian1cage on Jun 10, 2007 23:27:50 GMT -5
The LAX match was amazing. Main event was a little disappointing because Styles is limited with his heel personality, plus it's the same boring crapfrom Low Ki that we are used to. The 4-way was great, and Reefer-Archadia stunk like I expected it to. Overall it was a good show, and I'm hoping the next one is good.
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Post by xshawnxwilliamsx on Jun 10, 2007 23:51:31 GMT -5
I don't know the guys in the first 3 matches so other than that...the only matches that seem to interest me would be.
Samoa Joe defeated Diablo Santiago, B Boy, and Eddie Kingston
Homicide & Hernandez defeated Jay Lethal & Azrieal to become the new champions
Low Ki defeated AJ Styles
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Post by Blade on Jun 11, 2007 1:23:46 GMT -5
I enjoyed myself last night. First show of the year that sent me home with a "That was pretty  ing awesome" thought. I filmed the first match for anyone who was there. Can't wait for July. |
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Post by Rated R on Jun 11, 2007 8:11:24 GMT -5
The card sounds good, and Styles/ Low Ki always put on a great match.
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Post by spawnsyxx9 on Jun 11, 2007 13:09:43 GMT -5
I would say that any booking of any TNA talent is good because it would add to the show's buy rate because the talent that is TNA was ROH before and since we can no longer see them in ROH having them be on their talent roster is better than not.
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Post by comebackkid on Jun 11, 2007 13:23:38 GMT -5
Can't wait for the July show!
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Post by parcle12 on Jun 11, 2007 15:09:40 GMT -5
I would say that any booking of any TNA talent is good because it would add to the show's buy rate because the talent that is TNA was ROH before and since we can no longer see them in ROH having them be on their talent roster is better than not. They have no buyrate. In comparison, I read at the dvdr that PWG sells roughly 500-750 dvds per show, CZW sells between 1000-1100 dvds per show, and JAPW sells 200-350 dvds per show. I'd say that TNA talents won't have any impact on dvd sales for JAPW because people can see them for free on tv. ROH DVD sales have not dropped off at all since Joe has left, same with Punk. So, I'd say it's the matches and the booking that leads to sales as opposed to the TNA or WWE names on the shows. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2007 16:53:32 GMT -5
I would say that any booking of any TNA talent is good because it would add to the show's buy rate because the talent that is TNA was ROH before and since we can no longer see them in ROH having them be on their talent roster is better than not. They have no buyrate. In comparison, I read at the dvdr that PWG sells roughly 500-750 dvds per show, CZW sells between 1000-1100 dvds per show, and JAPW sells 200-350 dvds per show. I'd say that TNA talents won't have any impact on dvd sales for JAPW because people can see them for free on tv. ROH DVD sales have not dropped off at all since Joe has left, same with Punk. So, I'd say it's the matches and the booking that leads to sales as opposed to the TNA or WWE names on the shows. I think what Spawnsyxx is trying to say that since TNA related guys are no longer in ROH and alot of other companies, that it would benefit the companies that have them on their shows at the gate more than just DVD sales, i think Buyrate was not exactly what he was saying as much as the total increase of all sales DVD and live gate. It's a double edged sword, because those guys tend to cost more than your average indy guy, but if you make up for it with enough attendence to cover that cost, it works out, if you dont, well you were probably better off without them. Different companies have different business models, JAPW still runs mostly as a traditional live gate model where most of the money comes in at the gate, and is supplimented by the merch sales. Their fanbase is made up of a mix of just about every type of fan, from the regulars, to the casual fans, to even families. ROH is 180 degrees the opposite, it was originally created by Feinstein as a replacement in his sales by the loss of ECW, which was a huge part of his business. That model has been designed to cater directly to those folks that DO buy dvds as much as they go to live shows and ROH's formative years ( as they built their fanbase up) relied on creating indy "Supercard" shows that lost money at the gate, but made up for it in the dvd sales. Now that ROH has a following that has been expanded over the years, the gate is a much bigger part of the package, but the meat of their profit is still from DVD and merch sales. The fans that ROH caters to tend to buy the dvd anyways, in fact, they count on it.... where a JAPW fan may do so if they want to, but is all about the live show for them. Thats why DVD sales for ROH have not dropped for them with the loss of the TNA related guys. Its really not about drawing because of the booking with ROH anymore, like ECW, folks come for the name based on the reputation from their past....the regulars and those that have heard of ROH But that only goes so far.... dips in their recent attendence may be to the fact that folks were used to having the Samoa Joes, Homicides, AJs, Daniels, and others that are no longer available and the guys that are left simply are not at the level yet of those that came before them enough to live up to that "Supercard" reputation that ROH had before the TNA pullout. Most of the guys left with the exception of Dragon are guys that were midcard guys that really dont have the same level of buzz that the guys i mentioned before, so now ROH is looking to Chikara and whoever else has the buzz to try and do what they did before, take the top guys fom other promotions and make them their own. It will be interesting to see how PPV impacts ROH in the end, as it does potentially eat into DVD sales, which is what ROH was built upon. |
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Post by parcle12 on Jun 11, 2007 18:54:54 GMT -5
I think what Spawnsyxx is trying to say that since TNA related guys are no longer in ROH and alot of other companies, that it would benefit the companies that have them on their shows at the gate more than just DVD sales, i think Buyrate was not exactly what he was saying as much as the total increase of all sales DVD and live gate. That's possible. Although it would be nice to see companies like JAPW and other indies like ROH getting into the area of bigger and more money. But with some of the people running the companies not booking things that make sense and having matches that don't happen, I don't anticipate that ever happening. It's a double edged sword, because those guys tend to cost more than your average indy guy, but if you make up for it with enough attendence to cover that cost, it works out, if you dont, well you were probably better off without them. Exactly, from reports I read JAPW drew 250-350 over the weekend. Granted they ran against ROH(750-850, in Philly) and CZW(300-350, in Delaware), booking TV guys should have even drawn more of the casual fan. It didn't however. Different companies have different business models, JAPW still runs mostly as a traditional live gate model where most of the money comes in at the gate, and is supplimented by the merch sales. Their fanbase is made up of a mix of just about every type of fan, from the regulars, to the casual fans, to even families. No two companies should have the same business model, because what works for one, fails with the other. However, you almost always have to market your product to those outside of your target demographic. It's easy to max out your target audience, and the extra's from outside help. The only people to do that are ROH & WWE. ROH is 180 degrees the opposite, it was originally created by Feinstein as a replacement in his sales by the loss of ECW, which was a huge part of his business. That model has been designed to cater directly to those folks that DO buy dvds as much as they go to live shows and ROH's formative years ( as they built their fanbase up) relied on creating indy "Supercard" shows that lost money at the gate, but made up for it in the dvd sales. I know, remember, I've been following Northeast indy wrestling for 7 years now. I started with IWA MS and JAPW and then moved on to CZW, ROH(when it started), CHIKARA, PWG, and continued with IWA MS(and their other territories), while dropping a piss-poor JAPW product in late 2006. I pretty much bought shows that looked good from JAPW, but stopped once they chose to threaten me for writing a poor review and telling me my money wasn't worth anything. Now that ROH has a following that has been expanded over the years, the gate is a much bigger part of the package, but the meat of their profit is still from DVD and merch sales. I know full well. The fans that ROH caters to tend to buy the dvd anyways, in fact, they count on it.... where a JAPW fan may do so if they want to, but is all about the live show for them. Thats why DVD sales for ROH have not dropped for them with the loss of the TNA related guys. It's actually grown without the TNA guys, but that's ok. As shocking as it is, ROH's business is up 35% in the three months since Joe has departed. Maybe it's due to excess local tv ads? Its really not about drawing because of the booking with ROH anymore, like ECW, folks come for the name based on the reputation from their past....the regulars and those that have heard of ROH But that only goes so far.... It's the quality booking that draws the new fans and keeps the old ones coming back for more. If the company's booking become stale and made no sense at all, people would be leaving, attendence would drop, and so would merchandise sales. dips in their recent attendence may be to the fact that folks were used to having the Samoa Joes, Homicides, AJs, Daniels, and others that are no longer available and the guys that are left simply are not at the level yet of those that came before them enough to live up to that "Supercard" reputation that ROH had before the TNA pullout. Attendence drops every year from May-September, as part of the better weather and other Summer related activities. JAPW feels it, ROH feels it, CZW feels it, everyone takes a hit. Most of the guys left with the exception of Dragon are guys that were midcard guys that really dont have the same level of buzz that the guys i mentioned before, so now ROH is looking to Chikara and whoever else has the buzz to try and do what they did before, take the top guys fom other promotions and make them their own. KENTA, Morishima, The Briscoes, Strong, Whitmer, Jacobs, all have main evented shows, and aren't "mid-card" guys. It will be interesting to see how PPV impacts ROH in the end, as it does potentially eat into DVD sales, which is what ROH was built upon. Most definitely it will be interesting. If the trend continues, it will be a success. ROH has the right minds running the company, now that they've gone ahead and grown despite the haters at the DOI and their associates, ROH has nobody to stop them but themselves. I don't see that happening. |
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Jun 11, 2007 19:03:13 GMT -5
I think what really hurt JAPW's attendance was that only one match was announced for the show until last Monday which gave fans a lot of time to choose if they wanted to go to JAPW, ROH, or CZW. Not to mention like you mentioned attendance always drops during the summer months.
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