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Post by stevecorinoisgod on Jun 24, 2007 12:26:58 GMT -5
Aries over Morishima...now.
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Post by CBT on Jun 24, 2007 12:32:38 GMT -5
Aries over Morishima...now in Tokyo, Japan. *fixed* |
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Post by kevx301 on Jun 24, 2007 12:56:44 GMT -5
This is amazing news. As already said, Aries really deserves another run at the title, since the last run was overshadowed by Punk's reign and now there's no fear of TNA pulling him out. I gotta agree with Kev here. Austin Aries was a completely different case then the rest of the TNA roster because he wasn't getting paid. I can see the MCMG leaving TNA (assuming that's who you mean, or at least Shelley) once their contracts expire, but right now they're probably making good money working the iMPACT tapings/PPVs/TNA house shows that I can't see them leaving. Oh well, I could be hopeful, because MCMG return to PWG and ROH would be boss. Leaving after the deals are up this year is what I'm talking about. Alex Shelley and Chris Sabin seem to be pretty happy now that they're teaming. Who else is there? Samoa Joe's contract doesn't expire until 2009, to the best of my knowledge, and I could see him going to the WWE when it does. Honestly, the WWE is putting on the best wrestling right now. Seriously. That shows the state of wrestling these days. |
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Post by stevecorinoisgod on Jun 24, 2007 13:02:40 GMT -5
Aries over Morishima... in Tokyo, Japan. *fixed* *fixed again* |
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Post by parcle12 on Jun 24, 2007 14:55:47 GMT -5
Alex Shelley and Chris Sabin seem to be pretty happy now that they're teaming. Who else is there? Samoa Joe's contract doesn't expire until 2009, to the best of my knowledge, and I could see him going to the WWE when it does. No way Joe's going to the E. Not when he's got the standing NOAH offer and what would be the biggest ROH contract offer in company history. Joe is far to loyal to his craft, and to those close to him to ever go to WWE. Shelley is far from happy right now. In fact he's quite miserable. Honestly, the WWE is putting on the best wrestling right now. Seriously. That shows the state of wrestling these days. Not even close. ROH, IWA MS, NOAH, Dragon Gate, PWG, are all still going stronger then the E. |
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Post by kevx301 on Jun 24, 2007 15:08:38 GMT -5
Not even close. ROH, IWA MS, NOAH, Dragon Gate, PWG, are all still going stronger then the E. If you compare John Cena, Chris Benoit, William Regal, Fit Finlay and Paul London to any five guys in any of those companies, I guarantee you the aforementioned group is putting on better matches. Throw in Matt Hardy who's probably become the most consistent wrestler in America, as far as always having at worst a decent match. Striker, Punk, Burke, Spanky, Cade and Murdoch are having good matches. Lashley's improving, Booker T should be back to form in a few weeks. Haas, Benjamin, Venis, even Johnny Nitro's getting better. The roster depth in the WWE is really scary right now if you look at all three brands combined. IWA? A bunch of green guys botching flips is not something a like to watch regularly. ROH? You have Hero, Danielson, Nigel, The Briscoes, Sydal and Strong and then there's a huge drop-off in talent after that. Guys who don't understand psychology at all like Romero and Richards better not be listed on your reply. And don't get me started on the most overrated guy in the industry in Takeshi Morishima. |
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Post by CBT on Jun 24, 2007 15:31:00 GMT -5
Alex Shelley and Chris Sabin seem to be pretty happy now that they're teaming. Who else is there? Samoa Joe's contract doesn't expire until 2009, to the best of my knowledge, and I could see him going to the WWE when it does. No way Joe's going to the E. Not when he's got the standing NOAH offer and what would be the biggest ROH contract offer in company history. Joe is far to loyal to his craft, and to those close to him to ever go to WWE. Shelley is far from happy right now. In fact he's quite miserable. Honestly, the WWE is putting on the best wrestling right now. Seriously. That shows the state of wrestling these days. Not even close. ROH, IWA MS, NOAH, Dragon Gate, PWG, are all still going stronger then the E. Actually to be fair, if we step away from the fact ROH will be getting national exposures will these PPVs. Out of the two top companies in the U.S., those being WWE and TNA for name, money, and a TV deal alone. Well, WWE is doing everything that TNA should be. Infact, I'd even say if you took all the extras hours WWE has of wrestling, just counting ECW, they still deliver the better wrestling product. I watch and follow TNA, but the only thing alternative about them is their roster vs. WWE's, and even there you gotta recognize alot more guys came from WWE, WCW and ECW to TNA over guys who left TNA in favor of WWE. See WWE right now is the measuring stick for what wrestling should be, no matter how bad it gets, they still give you enough to interest. Simply put, while your point was never WWE vs TNA, WWE is putting out some of the best wrestling right now. You just gotta see it from the perspective of who should be delivering, and I'd think the guys who are getting National Exposure should be some of the best. Of course though, that doesn't change who WWE signs. For every CM Punk there is a Snitsky, Lashley, Heidenreich, or Luther Reigns already signed and ready for a push. |
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Post by parcle12 on Jun 24, 2007 16:36:38 GMT -5
If you compare John Cena, Chris Benoit, William Regal, Fit Finlay and Paul London to any five guys in any of those companies, I guarantee you the aforementioned group is putting on better matches.Throw in Matt Hardy who's probably become the most consistent wrestler in America, as far as always having at worst a decent match. Striker, Punk, Burke, Spanky, Cade and Murdoch are having good matches. Lashley's improving, Booker T should be back to form in a few weeks. Haas, Benjamin, Venis, even Johnny Nitro's getting better. The roster depth in the WWE is really scary right now if you look at all three brands combined. Lashley is awful. Same goes for Striker. I'll still take the entire ROH roster excluding Hero & Richards before I'd watch a WWE wrestler. It's just my type of style compared to the slower WWE style. But yes, WWE's got some quality wrestlers who have worked hard to improve. But I still won't prefer watching them. IWA? A bunch of green guys botching flips is not something a like to watch regularly. Yes, IWA. It's the best booked promotion in the states beside ROH. They have a wide variety of everything from the flippy stuff to death matches. ROH? You have Hero, Danielson, Nigel, The Briscoes, Sydal and Strong and then there's a huge drop-off in talent after that. Guys who don't understand psychology at all like Romero and Richards better not be listed on your reply. And don't get me started on the most overrated guy in the industry in Takeshi Morishima. Kev, you hate ROH, I can't take anything you say about them seriously. |
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Post by Sam on Jun 24, 2007 16:41:04 GMT -5
Mori is far from over-rated.
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Post by The Raven Effect on Jun 24, 2007 17:01:55 GMT -5
THIS
IS
AWE
SOME
THIS
IS
AWE
SOME
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Post by kevx301 on Jun 24, 2007 17:06:00 GMT -5
Kev, you hate ROH, I can't take anything you say about them seriously. 2007 ROH? Yes, I do hate it. Why? Because Gabe pulls the trigger on everything too early. Stop putting Danielson and Morishima in these throw-together tag matches. Build through promos and angles to a one-on-one encounter. If you want to have a rematch, then you can utilize tag matches to build to that. But ROH isn't giving the fans a must-see huge epic match, like Kobashi vs. Joe was, or the first Punk vs. Joe was. He also needs to stop pretending to push guys. Gabe is never going to let Delirious be a main-eventer so having him get pointless wins over Danielson in tag matches, is only hurting Danielson and not helping Delirious. He's floating around the card aimlessly now, just like Sydal and just like Richards. Then you have Adam Pearce who could have been elevated due to the CZW feud and then the Homicide feud after that. Now he's been turned into a complete joke. As bad as the 2007 roster is compared to ROH at any point in its history, it's the annoying booking that really makes me dislike it. For a company that claims to be "real wrestling" those stupid Lacey/Jimmy videos sure don't seem that way. |
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Post by manstration on Jun 24, 2007 17:07:58 GMT -5
Well said Raven Effect
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Post by CBT on Jun 24, 2007 20:00:48 GMT -5
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Post by parcle12 on Jun 24, 2007 21:31:31 GMT -5
2007 ROH? Yes, I do hate it. You also forgot to mention 2006 ROH and all of ROH post 5/7/05. Why? Because Gabe pulls the trigger on everything too early. Stop putting Danielson and Morishima in these throw-together tag matches. Build through promos and angles to a one-on-one encounter. If you want to have a rematch, then you can utilize tag matches to build to that. But ROH isn't giving the fans a must-see huge epic match, like Kobashi vs. Joe was, or the first Punk vs. Joe was. Uh how many dvd's have you seen since Danielson has been back, and how many shows have you attended since Danielson has been back? That's right, none. The promos are there as is the build up during the tag matches. It's a slow build that is going to last a while. Flair and Sting had a ton of tag matches leading to their big Clash match in 1989. Steamboat and Flair tagged against one another in 1989 and then had their singles feud. As for the comment of ROH not giving the fans must see huge epic matches, that is the most asinine comment you've made. Jacobs/Whitmer in the cage was epic. The DG six man was epic. The KENTA/Danielson rematch was epic. It's ok to admit credit, where it's due despite your hatred of Gabe and Cary. He also needs to stop pretending to push guys. Gabe is never going to let Delirious be a main-eventer so having him get pointless wins over Danielson in tag matches, is only hurting Danielson and not helping Delirious. He's floating around the card aimlessly now, just like Sydal and just like Richards. Then you have Adam Pearce who could have been elevated due to the CZW feud and then the Homicide feud after that. Now he's been turned into a complete joke. Uh, Delirious's push is serious, and there is a chance he could headline ROH one day. That day isn't now. Why should he be jobbed out, when wins over Danielson mean something and build to title shots? Delirious is in the Resiliance and feuding with the NRC which houses Davey Richards. Sydal is in Hero's Stable with Sweeney and feuding with Claudio. Pearce is a wild card guy, he's not on every show. Why put him in a top shelf feud if he's not there? As bad as the 2007 roster is compared to ROH at any point in its history, it's the annoying booking that really makes me dislike it. For a company that claims to be "real wrestling" those stupid Lacey/Jimmy videos sure don't seem that way. What makes you dislike ROH is your choice. But it all goes back to not being able to sit down. Real wrestling is held on a mat and people all wear singlets. ROH is quality professional wrestling, which has angles, characters, and yes gimmicks. Try again. |
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Post by kevx301 on Jun 24, 2007 21:35:20 GMT -5
Arguing with you over ROH is pointless. However, they have stated that they are promoting "real wrestling".
Them saying that doesn't even bother me. Your last paragraph is just sad to be honest.
Oh, and go the WSU post. I think you may enjoy what I wrote.
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Post by parcle12 on Jun 24, 2007 21:40:51 GMT -5
Arguing with you over ROH is pointless. However, they have stated that they are promoting "real wrestling". Them saying that doesn't even bother me. Your last paragraph is just sad to be honest. Oh, and go the WSU post. I think you may enjoy what I wrote. I saw the WSU post, good stuff. Discussing ROH with me isn't pointless, because it's not a perfect company by any means. I just find some of the things you say so ridiculous that they take away any merrit from your accurate points. |
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Post by cpj19892 on Jun 24, 2007 22:21:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I totally marked out last night. Earlier that day, I saw him at Bob Evans. He's a tremendously nice guy. I'm so happy that he's home.
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Post by xshawnxwilliamsx on Jun 24, 2007 23:01:44 GMT -5
I'm so glad he's finally back home where he gets treated properly unlike TNA. Only thing is he didn't stay in TNA long enough to get a figure made of himself which sucks...cause I wanted one bad.  But who cares, Aries is the man so ftw. |
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Post by kevx301 on Jun 24, 2007 23:11:02 GMT -5
Yeah, I totally marked out last night. Earlier that day, I saw him at Bob Evans. He's a tremendously nice guy. I'm so happy that he's home. Yeah, it's Sunday night (well Monday technically) and his indy committments are done. Why wouldn't he be at home resting? |
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Post by holic08 on Jun 24, 2007 23:14:36 GMT -5
if that was a joke...good try, but don't make one again.
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