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Post by commish13 on Mar 17, 2008 13:11:52 GMT -5
Yeah, Luke is a fan of ROH and has been signing autographs at a bunch of the shows over the past few months, including at all three shows this weekend. He also got to wrestle Hagadorn in the match directly after intermission, which is the lame duck spot on the card anyway, just there to waste some time and let everybody get back to their seats before the show really gets back underway.
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Post by Supreme on Mar 17, 2008 13:35:07 GMT -5
I'm still trying to figure out the Tyler Black push to the main event of a PPV. He just doesn't seem to have the heavyweight title fit or look to him and I just can't see him as a viable contender to the crown. I have no doubt that he has the skill and mechanics to be a great wrestler, but storyline wise, he plays second and sometimes third fiddle in the Age of the Fall. Yes, he's had some great contests such as the one with Danielson back in January. But for him to never really be featured heavily on a PPV then to pop up in a PPV main event for the world title, it seems to make no sense to me. It makes no sense in the point of view that if I were the casual fan that didn't follow ROH, didn't buy any DVDs and solely depended on ordering PPVs to fill my ROH needs that it would seem like, "what the hell, why's he fighting for the title?" I thought for sure it'd be Claudio, but I guess I was wrong.
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Post by commish13 on Mar 17, 2008 13:43:58 GMT -5
...if I were the casual fan that didn't follow ROH, didn't buy any DVDs and solely depended on ordering PPVs to fill my ROH needs that it would seem like, "what the hell, why's he fighting for the title?" If you didn't follow ROH and your only exposure to the company was the PPVs, then you'd think that about EVERYBODY |
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Post by AndyPeck13 on Mar 17, 2008 15:22:46 GMT -5
...if I were the casual fan that didn't follow ROH, didn't buy any DVDs and solely depended on ordering PPVs to fill my ROH needs that it would seem like, "what the hell, why's he fighting for the title?" If you didn't follow ROH and your only exposure to the company was the PPVs, then you'd think that about EVERYBODY ehh...maybe during the first ppv....but if you've ordered all of them then someone new to the company would have a better idea for who Delirious and Claudio are then Black... i think that's what he was implying |
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Post by the franchise on Mar 17, 2008 15:27:47 GMT -5
At least Black doesn't suck ass like Delirious.
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Post by Mr. Orange on Mar 17, 2008 15:41:38 GMT -5
I'm really starting to like Black. I've heard rave reviews about his match with Dragon, and now he had this great match vs Nigel. He's proving now that if he is given the ball, he can run with it. Anybody think that if AOTF break up in the future, that he could have a good face run?
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Post by Supreme on Mar 17, 2008 15:45:32 GMT -5
...if I were the casual fan that didn't follow ROH, didn't buy any DVDs and solely depended on ordering PPVs to fill my ROH needs that it would seem like, "what the hell, why's he fighting for the title?" If you didn't follow ROH and your only exposure to the company was the PPVs, then you'd think that about EVERYBODY Correct me if I'm wrong, but he first shows up on PPV for the last minute or so of Man Up. Then he is in a scramble match with who knows how many other people which is the second match on Undeniable. Then all of a sudden in the next PPV he's headlining with Nigel who has been pushed to the moon on these PPV shows. That's where I'm coming from. He comes from a low to midcarder to main eventer. |
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Mar 17, 2008 15:51:20 GMT -5
I'm still trying to figure out the Tyler Black push to the main event of a PPV. He just doesn't seem to have the heavyweight title fit or look to him and I just can't see him as a viable contender to the crown. I have no doubt that he has the skill and mechanics to be a great wrestler, but storyline wise, he plays second and sometimes third fiddle in the Age of the Fall. Yes, he's had some great contests such as the one with Danielson back in January. But for him to never really be featured heavily on a PPV then to pop up in a PPV main event for the world title, it seems to make no sense to me. It makes no sense in the point of view that if I were the casual fan that didn't follow ROH, didn't buy any DVDs and solely depended on ordering PPVs to fill my ROH needs that it would seem like, "what the hell, why's he fighting for the title?" I thought for sure it'd be Claudio, but I guess I was wrong. I thought about this but then I realized, the only people that buy the ROH PPV's anyway are the fans already following the product. |
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Post by Mr. Orange on Mar 17, 2008 15:58:09 GMT -5
If you didn't follow ROH and your only exposure to the company was the PPVs, then you'd think that about EVERYBODY Correct me if I'm wrong, but he first shows up on PPV for the last minute or so of Man Up. Then he is in a scramble match with who knows how many other people which is the second match on Undeniable. Then all of a sudden in the next PPV he's headlining with Nigel who has been pushed to the moon on these PPV shows. That's where I'm coming from. He comes from a low to midcarder to main eventer. I think they did that for unpredictability. Everybody thought Claudio would win that 4-Way, even those who only buy the ppv's. Claudio looked very strong in his ppv showings and beat Hero at Rising Above. Like you said, Black comes from the low mid card right up to the main event. I'm sure that most people wouldn't have thought Black would have won, which makes it great and unpredictable. |
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Post by The Silent Flute (joepetree) on Mar 17, 2008 19:00:35 GMT -5
is this the next ROH PPV
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Post by commish13 on Mar 17, 2008 19:26:11 GMT -5
Yes, it's the next PPV. It'll start airing in May.
As far as Black's status, he wasn't portrayed as a main eventer. Nobody expected him to win the four way, and I expect th announcers to play it up as a big surprise. During the main event, Nigel beat the crapout of him for a good while and Black played the role of a young up-and-coming star who had never been in the spotlight before but was trying to prove himself. Black didn't go toe-to-toe with Nigel.
If you saw the Samoe Joe/Chris Sabin PPV match from the summer of 2005, then you can liken it to that. Nigel beat him up and treated Tyler like an inferior low carder, but Tyler kept showing heart and fighting back when it looked like he had no chance. Just about every move Tyler hit was out of nowhere and out of desperation. He never controlled the match for more than 30 seconds.
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Post by Supreme on Mar 17, 2008 19:33:15 GMT -5
I guess I can agree with you on the unpredicitbility and underdog role.
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Post by commish13 on Mar 17, 2008 23:19:55 GMT -5
I was also there. I saw the match. That's how it was played.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Mar 17, 2008 23:23:56 GMT -5
He meant spoliers for the PPV man. calm down. Even still, I don't see Slappy's point. If it's being televised, and it's yet to air, but details are available... can that not constitute as spoilers? There is no such thing as spoilers in indy wrestling. These will stay up. |
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Post by jake_317 on Mar 18, 2008 2:26:07 GMT -5
The thing that strikes it odd with me....is AOTF's tweener status. At first, they were potrayed as the biggest heels in the company, and if you watch the PPVs, they come off that way, but now, all the sudden Tyler is basically getting a face push, i dont mind it, it just strikes me as odd, for people only watching the PPVs.
I thought Claudio would get the win, but apparently not.
lol, and whoever said Delirious sucks ass, i must highly disagree. Used correctly, he is one of the most over wrestlers not just in ROH, but on the indy circuit. but to each his own.
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Post by jake_317 on Mar 18, 2008 2:26:59 GMT -5
Even still, I don't see Slappy's point. If it's being televised, and it's yet to air, but details are available... can that not constitute as spoilers? There is no such thing as spoilers in indy wrestling. These will stay up. I don't believe anyone ever criticzed the fact that they are posted. and never wanted them taken down. |
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Post by commish13 on Mar 18, 2008 2:44:06 GMT -5
The thing that strikes it odd with me....is AOTF's tweener status. At first, they were potrayed as the biggest heels in the company, and if you watch the PPVs, they come off that way, but now, all the sudden Tyler is basically getting a face push, i dont mind it, it just strikes me as odd, for people only watching the PPVs. I wouldn't call playing the face in one match a face push. Let's wait and see where they go with it before declaring it a turn. As far as the AOTF, they're heels, but they're heels that want the fans to be on their side. |
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Post by James Hetfield on Mar 18, 2008 3:17:00 GMT -5
Even still, I don't see Slappy's point. If it's being televised, and it's yet to air, but details are available... can that not constitute as spoilers? There is no such thing as spoilers in indy wrestling. These will stay up. Yeah, because we're "smart" fans who knows whats going on! |
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Post by jake_317 on Mar 18, 2008 5:42:09 GMT -5
The thing that strikes it odd with me....is AOTF's tweener status. At first, they were potrayed as the biggest heels in the company, and if you watch the PPVs, they come off that way, but now, all the sudden Tyler is basically getting a face push, i dont mind it, it just strikes me as odd, for people only watching the PPVs. I wouldn't call playing the face in one match a face push. Let's wait and see where they go with it before declaring it a turn. As far as the AOTF, they're heels, but they're heels that want the fans to be on their side. But what im trying to say, is from a strictly PPV viewing perspective. Several people I know, there only exposure to ROH has been the PPVs. But, in my opinion, I love AoTF and do cheer them. It's hard for me not to root for a stable with Necro, Tyler, Jimmy, and Matthews, all four of whom I really like. But ever since I saw Tyler vs. Danielson in Dayton in person, which was one of the best matches ive seen in the last year easily, and he came in for the fed i work for here in Indianapolis, IPW, my opinion of him has grown in leaps in bounds. This year has been filled with great matches from him and now, im more a fan of his than ever. I cannot wait to see his match with Nigel. But the people I know who have just seen the PPVs, i think when they see Tyler all the sudden in the main event, they are going to be thinking, hey, shouldnt he be wrestling the Briscoes or some other good guy? |
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Post by commish13 on Mar 18, 2008 12:32:59 GMT -5
I know as much about Tyler as anybody who only follows via PPV. I've never seen a match of his outside of ROH, and I'm pretty sure Sunday was the first one-on-one match I've seen him in. I was shocked when he won the four way as Nigel seemed to be a shoe-in. Then in the title match, it went about exactly as could be expected in the beginning.
I don't think anybody is going to come away confused or disappointed. Black wins the four way out of nowhere, and then spends the first 5+ minutes getting his ass handed to him by Nigel. Then he gets a fluke superkick into a chair that sends Nigel over the railing. He springboards from inside the ring over the railing (like Danielson) but gets met on the way down with a BRUTAL chair shot and is down for the better part of 2 minutes without moving. He finally stands back up with the crowd going insane for him, and then proceeds to get beat up more, get in a few desperation moves, get beat up more, then stand up and keep fighting, going on a bit of a rally and almost winning a bunch of times. From there, it goes kind of back and forth with Tyler hitting some big moves out of desperation and almost winning, and Nigel hitting all of his big stuff but with Tyler barely escaping.
It will be more than okay when the show actually airs. It won't end up being confusing or perplexing or anything. It'll just seem right.
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