Kevin Rudd is prime minister

Wrong! Howard is a supported of Democracy and he has made that known. What about the referndum held years ago in which a democracy was favoured?



Ding ding, you win. I'm not and i'm sorry if i got confused, i was just using the last news i heard. I dont keep up with US politics, far too complex to how we do things. All i know is bush is going to be gone.




Rubbish, the media wants you to think that way. The IR laws to not take away conditions and pay, you get reduced in one of those and an increase in the other. This is under certain rules though and the firing part is "under bona fide conditions" applying only when there is an excess of 101 workers. Also Rudd cant scrap them. It last 5 years or so until it can be legally changed unless he goes through a very long and 'dragging' process of legislation and reform to remove it sooner.




No way, Costello although he is skilled enough, hasnt got just enough popularity. Todays headlines say though he doesnt want to run as the next Liberal leader. He is out altogether. Also, Howard did not suck up to Bush. If 2 of the top countries in the world have a link, dont you think it is advantageous to both and can work to achieve an outcome. That is what Howard merely has done. He formed a link with Bush and they have kept it going. They are binded under certain treaties too such as ANZUS but this link directly is a fantastic thing nonetheless. It involves coming to each others call. Think, if Aus had a war with Japan, do you think the US would come to help Aus.? They would because it is what Aus and the US do for each other. Howard does not suck up to Bush.



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I'm laughing about how he referred to Australia as one of the top two countries in the world. I hate to break it to you, but Australia doesn't have a strong technological industry like Japan or China or a strong military base like the US or Russia or a strong economic base like a lot of middle eastern countries who are swimming in oil. I'm not sure what criteria you're using to judge Australia as one of the top two countries in the world.

This one isnt. He did nothing for NY, he went down to ground zero and poked around and he becomes a hero.
I was in the city on 9/11 and where was he? On vacation, he was out of the country at the time.

I hate you, And thats all to it

Im glad Rudd won.


Howard took all the workplace agreements and wrecked them. Because of him, no paid holidays. Standard pay for overtime, rather than 1 and a 1/2 times pay, no payed sick days.

He said most, gay people that like Hillary aren't most, and not that everyone that likes Hillary are gay, it's just that they're complete and utter tools. America needs to stop voting in relatives and start with something fresh. We don't need another Clinton who can't answer the same question the same way every time it's asked. We don't need another Bush who is war hungry. We need a Giuliani or a Obama (I'm sad to say we need him but he's better than every other demy) that will actually do something for the citizens.

Sorry i have to disagree. I never ever said Labor was dumb or nor do i think so. You do have to admit though, there are numerous flaws in Labor policies put forward. They arent being realistic. I dont wish to go into full detail about everything but seriously, carbon targets for 2050 in 3 years, to borrow a Tony Abbot phrase that is just...well you get the drift.

Also, i know what you are saying abour priorities and yes people do have different ones but you do have to admit the economy is a big drive. I would assume from your words that you hinted the economy as an emphasised issue and really it is. Almost everything else is dependent on it.

With your words on interest rates, (which you said didnt matter and you referred to later on ) i know its not a priority. To be truthful, locking in your rate a long while ago is the smart thing to do. You can only predict interest rates, howard did promise and it did not follow through but you cannot blame him entirely. From en economic point of view, that was the prediciton.

Also, yeah scare campaigns arent much but they are another factor. Looking back at Labor leadership, the governments had done rather poorly in the economy and trade unions were big. Its just another factor.

Also, workchoices does have effect but see my previous posts, it isnt all bad news as the media distorts it to. The media is somewhat to blame and you cannot deny it. If you were a voter and saw absolutely no coverage from start to finish of the election, do you think your opinion would stay the same with 100% confidence, of course not. The media can persuade you however they wish. When they want to blow up a story, they will and you will be made to know about it. The media does play a vital part and you cannot deny it. I never blamed them for causing actions of individuals but for their handling i do. Look at the worm, it was rigged. Channel 9 hired people themselves. Therefore people who hear about the results of the worm automatically think Howard is bad, but its bias. Its total rubbish. Also, how can a person autmoatically change the worms path with just one word. The concept is crap and just lowers chance of support. It is a concept that the media can use.

Polls also are to blame somewhat. They survey about 4% of people in an area and that is supposed to accurately cater to the opinions of others. Polls are rubbish when it comes down to it. They are not accurate and are a distraction from making a justified choice.

I dont blame the media for Howards loss. Opinions change due to certain things and not just because of the media.

u know what? i'm not getting into a debate. i don't have to...

australia saw sense to kick out the liar, the xenephone, the racist, the fearmonger, the man that will talk about fair goes til he blue in the face whilst doing everything he can to remove it.

if australia is wrong about rudd, in three years time i will admit it.

but liberal party scaremongering will not affect me, and i refuse to agree with this stupid argument that Liberals are the only people that can manage the economy.

congratulations australia. intelligent australia made the right decision.

You dont wish to debate, neither do i, save typing. ;D

I agree to disagree with you on Howard who i think is the better one. I dont mind Rudd to much but the people behind him do. Also, I never said the Liberals are the only ones who can manage the economy, i just think they are the ones who can manage it best but we will know in 3 years if old times have changed.


Also, the fact you are calling Liberal voters unintelligent is a rather unfair thing to say.

As to what i think, the bottom line is why try and fix something that doesnt need fixing?