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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Jul 24, 2007 19:04:04 GMT -5
Orton has done nothing to deserve his push... I like him, but he STILL isn't ready for the WWE Title. He wasn't at Summerslam 04 and he isn't now heading into Summerslam 07... and by the way, it almost seems like they are just stopping the Dusty Rhodes storyline dead in it's tracks too... that I don't like... I like Cena but I would like to see him drop the title... More importantly I would like to see him drop it at Summerslam... Just not to Orton While it is better than Cena/Khali or Cena/Umaga.... No, I am not as excited about Orton/Cena as much as I am excited for say Morrison/Punk III or as much as I would be excited for Kennedy/Cena What has Kennedy done that makes him ready for the WWE title, that Randy Orton hasn't? Randy has been around longer, been in more memorable feuds, has recieved more main event exposure, has been made to look stronger than Kennedy... and the gap between their wrestling ability is negligible. Kennedy isn't bad don't get me wrong... but saying Kennedy is deserving of main event gold when Orton isn't is ludicrous. Well I was just saying that I would be more excited for Kennedy/Cena... because I'm a huge Kennedy mark Now see the big problem I have with Orton is that he has gotten everything handed to him on a silver platter including 2 feuds with HBK, a feud with Taker, feud with Triple H, Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit. Edge and SO many others but yet it has taken him about 5 years to get over enough for a majority of people to think he is a cerifiable Main Eventer. Any normal person who has a feud with people as big as those people I listed would be so freaking over as a face or a heel in about half the time... I think anyways. My point is that he has gotten everything thrown at him but yet the fans still don't really care about him... I enjoy Orton, no question but the fact remains, if Kennedy were to beat HBK, Triple H, Rey Mysterio, Edge, and others in MAJOR feuds then he would be one of the top stars in the WWE because he already has a really strong fan base... But here is to hoping Orton beats Cena, loses the title to Trips and from there we can have Trips Vs Cena Vs Kennedy Vs Orton at Wrestlemania
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Post by theeggman on Jul 24, 2007 19:05:02 GMT -5
thats true.... but William Regal is just a douche Why?... Is it because I have an opinion that doesn't match the general consensus, of the board?... Or maybe, it's because I use too many commas?... Maybe cause u hate most other wrestlers who arent Wiillam Regal, which is in a way, a form of racism towards non englishmen. yeah. That Just Happend. Ive been a member for, like 5 minutes and I read some of your posts while browsing and you seem like an ass. and to answer the question, yes i am PUMPED for when Orton fulfills destiny.
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Jul 24, 2007 19:06:34 GMT -5
thats true.... but William Regal is just a douche Why?... Is it because I have an opinion that doesn't match the general consensus, of the board?... Or maybe, it's because I use too many commas?... I noticed that alot of people have problems accepting opinions on here... Case in point, when I was discussing Samoa Joe on the TNA board, people were attacking me for being a Johnny Devine fan. VERY few people on WF can handle the opinions of others if it is against their favorites... Why?... Is it because I have an opinion that doesn't match the general consensus, of the board?... Or maybe, it's because I use too many commas?... Maybe cause u hate most other wrestlers who arent Wiillam Regal, which is in a way, a form of racism towards non englishmen. yeah. That Just Happend. The English aren't a race... Just like Canadians and Americans aren't races -_-
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Post by Suckasays on Jul 24, 2007 19:07:02 GMT -5
I don't like Orton...but I hope they give him the belt.
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Post by OverTheEdge on Jul 24, 2007 19:08:14 GMT -5
Really. Why are so many people here obsessed with hating Orton? It's pretty sad. What's even more sad is that these are the same people complaining about Cena being Champion.
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Post by Heresy on Jul 24, 2007 19:21:00 GMT -5
Well I was just saying that I would be more excited for Kennedy/Cena... because I'm a huge Kennedy mark Fair enough. Now see the big problem I have with Orton is that he has gotten everything handed to him on a silver platter including 2 feuds with HBK, a feud with Taker, feud with Triple H, Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit. Edge and SO many others but yet it has taken him about 5 years to get over enough for a majority of people to think he is a cerifiable Main Eventer. Any normal person who has a feud with people as big as those people I listed would be so freaking over as a face or a heel in about half the time... I think anyways. My point is that he has gotten everything thrown at him but yet the fans still don't really care about him... I enjoy Orton, no question but the fact remains, if Kennedy were to beat HBK, Triple H, Rey Mysterio, Edge, and others in MAJOR feuds then he would be one of the top stars in the WWE because he already has a really strong fan base... What's funny about that argument... is Kennedy has faced and beaten 8 (or somewhere in that number) of WWE's top main eventers, and I honestly can't remember the contents of the feuds leading to these victories... nor do I feel he is worthy of main event status. However... I can remember several memorable Orton feuds like Orton/Batista v. Foley/Rock, Orton/Taker, Orton/Triple H, Orton/Foley, etc...
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jul 24, 2007 19:22:15 GMT -5
Why?... Is it because I have an opinion that doesn't match the general consensus, of the board?... Or maybe, it's because I use too many commas?... Maybe cause u hate most other wrestlers who arent Wiillam Regal, which is in a way, a form of racism towards non englishmen. yeah. That Just Happend. Ive been a member for, like 5 minutes and I read some of your posts while browsing and you seem like an ass. and to answer the question, yes i am PUMPED for when Orton fulfills destiny. Not true... I like CM Punk, 'Taker, Jeff Hardy, Burchill, HHH, HBK, Kennedy, Kane, Batista (a little), Cor Von, Sandman, Dreamer, Jimmy Wang Yang - as well as many others... I don't really hate any wrestler... yes, I dislike certain wrestlers - but only if I find nothing interesting about them, whatsoever... Randy Orton falls into this category - which is why I'd rather him not be in the SS main event, or win the belt...
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Post by k9c93 on Jul 24, 2007 19:24:15 GMT -5
Maybe cause u hate most other wrestlers who arent Wiillam Regal, which is in a way, a form of racism towards non englishmen. yeah. That Just Happend. Ive been a member for, like 5 minutes and I read some of your posts while browsing and you seem like an ass. and to answer the question, yes i am PUMPED for when Orton fulfills destiny. Not true... I like CM Punk, 'Taker, Jeff Hardy, Burchill, HHH, HBK, Kennedy, Kane, Batista (a little), Cor Von, Sandman, Dreamer, Jimmy Wang Yang - as well as many others... I don't really hate any wrestler... yes, I dislike certain wrestlers - but only if I find nothing interesting about them, whatsoever... Randy Orton falls into this category - which is why I'd rather him not be in the SS main event, or win the belt... It doesnt matter if you dont want something.. . You cant do anything about Orton being in the main event
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jul 24, 2007 19:45:13 GMT -5
Not true... I like CM Punk, 'Taker, Jeff Hardy, Burchill, HHH, HBK, Kennedy, Kane, Batista (a little), Cor Von, Sandman, Dreamer, Jimmy Wang Yang - as well as many others... I don't really hate any wrestler... yes, I dislike certain wrestlers - but only if I find nothing interesting about them, whatsoever... Randy Orton falls into this category - which is why I'd rather him not be in the SS main event, or win the belt... It doesnt matter if you dont want something.. . You cant do anything about Orton being in the main eventTrue - but I can certainly give my opinion on it... May I ask... Are you on some kind of mission, to reply to every one of my posts?...
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Jul 24, 2007 19:51:54 GMT -5
Well I was just saying that I would be more excited for Kennedy/Cena... because I'm a huge Kennedy mark Fair enough. Now see the big problem I have with Orton is that he has gotten everything handed to him on a silver platter including 2 feuds with HBK, a feud with Taker, feud with Triple H, Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit. Edge and SO many others but yet it has taken him about 5 years to get over enough for a majority of people to think he is a cerifiable Main Eventer. Any normal person who has a feud with people as big as those people I listed would be so freaking over as a face or a heel in about half the time... I think anyways. My point is that he has gotten everything thrown at him but yet the fans still don't really care about him... I enjoy Orton, no question but the fact remains, if Kennedy were to beat HBK, Triple H, Rey Mysterio, Edge, and others in MAJOR feuds then he would be one of the top stars in the WWE because he already has a really strong fan base... What's funny about that argument... is Kennedy has faced and beaten 8 (or somewhere in that number) of WWE's top main eventers, and I honestly can't remember the contents of the feuds leading to these victories... nor do I feel he is worthy of main event status. However... I can remember several memorable Orton feuds like Orton/Batista v. Foley/Rock, Orton/Taker, Orton/Triple H, Orton/Foley, etc... Kennedy has beaten Lashley Taker Batista Benoit Kane Rey Mysterio All as part of his "8 Champions beaten" thing he had going on Smackdown. I think Charisma wise he is worthy of being in the Main Event, Wrestling skill wise, I think he is worthy of being in the Main Event and in terms of crowd reaction I think he is definately getting the kind of reactions a Main Event heel should be summoning. Orton on the other hand is a heel who is getting cheered (again) by quite a few people as evident with RAW... I heard more cheers than boos... that is not the kind of reaction a credible Heel champ should be getting
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2007 19:55:03 GMT -5
I'm excited to see how let down all of you bandwagon Orton fans will be when he loses the title in a few weeks to HHH. Orton=transitional champ. Nothing more ever. LOL, same here man... same here...
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Post by HBKtheICON on Jul 24, 2007 20:08:01 GMT -5
Check the sig.. last night was a total mark out moment when he RKO'ed him...
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Post by rkoorfu on Jul 24, 2007 21:52:10 GMT -5
I remember a couple years ago, when these two were being some what billed by everyone they futures of the business(which I still believe is true). However I remember everyone anticipating a match between them, keep in mind I'm sure this was Evolution/word life days. They went as far as having a little stare down for the opening in the first Raw Vs SD game if I recall. Anyways, I just remember all this hype over these two guys going at it. Then, I think it was the Eddie Guerrero tribute Raw when they finally first went at it. Dissapointment it was, I was also kind of let down because I was expecting this on a big time card. (No disrespect to Eddie) But now, knowing this will headline Summerslam. Seeing Orton stand behind Cena lastnight waiting for him to turn...I marked out. I just think this is going to be an entertaining feud, and I hope it lasts longer then just a month. Not sure where else I'm going with this, but feel free to add your comments, opinions etc. Just don't waste anymore of your life by coming in here and saying "OmGz teH rko t00k @! PoOp in herZ pUrSE!@11". Or some mindless Cena/Orton hate about how this will suck so bad because it's gonna be clotheslines and chinlocks heaven. Shut it, we both know these two guys are gonna pull off an awesome match, they have it them I have seen them in several 4-5* matches. Especially with this being Summerslam, WWE title, Main event. man i have waited for this fued for so long, way better than trips having the belt for a while
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Post by Fury on Jul 24, 2007 22:53:05 GMT -5
What I wanna know is how people think Orton deserves this.
All I've heard is he's the only credible main eventer and he has a cocky look. That's just the rubbish. The only reason Orton is the credible main eventer on Raw is because Trips and the WWE wanted him to be, not because he's earned it or deserved it.
Point 1 - On the mic he's boring and his promos seem bad. I don't want to hear look at 2004, thats 3 years ago, It's 2007 and he's garbage now, these are also the same people who go off at people living in the past about people saying the attitude era was better.
Point 2 - His in ring skills are adequate but he can only wrestle when he feels like it and to his opponents ability, his work ethic is horrendous.
Point 3 - His behaviour and attitude towards the business are horrible. How many things does he want to get away with.
Point 4 - The crowd don't really care about him that much, he is not that over and probably never will be.
Point 5 - He has struggled in the main event scene before and the crowd don't care about him in that position, he's better off in the midcard.
I can't honestly see how anyone can view him as deserving and warranting a title shot. When guys like Kennedy, Booker and even Carlito who are sufficiently better than Orton in all of those categories don't deserve it more than him. But hell everyone's entitled to their opinion, this is just one I don't get at all.
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Post by HHH316 on Jul 24, 2007 23:25:57 GMT -5
This fued has been talked about since 2002. The long list of possibilties with fueds featuring the "future" guys like Cena, Orton, Batista, Lesnar, etc where hyped & now we are getting the featured one. I for one am very much looking foward to this fued.
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Post by Adam on Jul 24, 2007 23:37:25 GMT -5
Not as much as I used to. They kinda ruined it when they had Cena/Orton on the Eddie tribute raw. The match was mediocre and I haven't been really excited about it since.
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Post by kimberlysghost on Jul 25, 2007 0:01:13 GMT -5
Anyone who speaks of Orton's behavior and how he shouldn't be in the main event can't be an HBK fan. HBK pulled more BS back in the day than Orton has.
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Post by gin on Jul 25, 2007 0:04:52 GMT -5
Anyone who speaks of Orton's behavior and how he shouldn't be in the main event can't be an HBK fan. HBK pulled more BS back in the day than Orton has. Either they weren't wrestling fans back than or they see HBK as a newborn christian.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jul 25, 2007 0:15:14 GMT -5
Only, if Orton gets destroyed... I use, commas in, random placements... All I see from you are posts squashing Orton, then I see you defending Jeff Hardy in another thread. I'm really starting to question you, DW. Who the is DW?...
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Post by Fury on Jul 25, 2007 0:19:28 GMT -5
Anyone who speaks of Orton's behavior and how he shouldn't be in the main event can't be an HBK fan. HBK pulled more BS back in the day than Orton has. Not at all. Sure I don't like the fact that HBK got after the stuff he did, but he has changed and he is a much better peformer than Orton. And if Orton does manage to change for an extended period of time then sure I won't be on him about the behaviour. But Orton still has a long way to go. Still there is no way he's warranted a title shot.
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