Mirror Images
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Post by Mirror Images on Sept 6, 2007 10:56:43 GMT -5
I did some law in college and Benoit sounds like a classic case of Diminished responsibility.
In criminal law, diminished responsibility (or diminished capacity) is a potential defense by excuse by which defendants argue that although they broke the law, they should not be held criminally liable for doing so, as their mental functions were "diminished" or impaired. The defence's acceptance in American jurisdictions vary considerably.
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Post by [MJH] on Sept 6, 2007 12:27:30 GMT -5
If Benoit was suffering from Alzheimers and killed his family while having a major "episode" it's hardly fair to still call him a cold blooded killer or say that this dosent change things. Just because someone has brain damage that effects perception or free will dosent mean everyone in their line of work or who have had head traumas are gonna be the same, so saying that "cause other people who've had concussions didnt do this so Benoit must still be completely at fault" is completely narrow-minded. If it turns out that Benoit couldn't control his actions or tell what was going on then this would explain the bibles and why he killed himself he probably came to a stable stae realised what he'd done and couldnt go on living.
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Post by T R W on Sept 6, 2007 12:32:37 GMT -5
Since he killed himself, this is all speculation. So, all we do know, is that he killed his wife, his son, and himself. The facts point to him as a murderer. We can speculate about his mental state, but it's all just speculation because he killed himself, and we'll never know. Medical science hasn't evolved to the point where we can determine one's thoughts and motives after death.
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Post by taker1 on Sept 6, 2007 12:43:43 GMT -5
Really, I'm on the fence about Benoit. On one hand, I recognize that he did all this( I'm not going to sit there and say he didn't do it), and that he's a ing murderer. But yet I still watch his matches and don't really feel like I hate him. I guess I've seperated the two different Chris Benoit's- one being the real person, the other being the kayfabe character. If Mark Calaway goes and kills his wife and himself, I'd immediately lose all respect for the man. However, I don't think I'd lose all respect for The Undertaker. I guess I just see a difference between the superstars when they're in the ring and out of it.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 6, 2007 13:39:49 GMT -5
It seems to me the people defending Benoit are sticking to basically the same argument - that he had no choice and/or control over his actions and therefore is not responsible. I might consider buying this if he flew off the handle and killed them in a fit of rage, then felt remorse and killed himself. That's not what happened though. He killed his wife. Waited a day, killed his kid. Then waited another day and killed himself. You just can't convince me that during that time period he never ever had any control over his actions.
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Post by Beast from the east on Sept 6, 2007 13:47:25 GMT -5
Damn I'd hate to see what Foley's brain looks like lol. Hamberger
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Post by AdamBomb on Sept 6, 2007 13:59:38 GMT -5
I didn't see this posted, so I thought I'd post these two links of the Nightline special, in case anyone missed it and wants to see the program.
Part 1 - Part 2 -
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Post by VK on Sept 6, 2007 14:35:01 GMT -5
This really doesn't change anything. Benoit is still the one responsible for his actions. He should've gone to the doctors and gotten the proper medication needed if he was starting to go bonkers.
Really though, I think all this brain analysis crap is stupid. Tons of wrestlers get tons of concussions and this is the first one I've heard of to whack his family.
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Post by T R W on Sept 6, 2007 14:37:17 GMT -5
Exactly. There are TONS of NFL players with multiple concussions. None of them have axed their entire family.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 6, 2007 14:47:51 GMT -5
Personally, I think the people who are saying this perfectly explains what he did and gives him a free pass are the ones who are brain damaged.
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Post by Angel Beast on Sept 6, 2007 14:56:42 GMT -5
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Post by AdamBomb on Sept 6, 2007 16:20:28 GMT -5
Exactly. There are TONS of NFL players with multiple concussions. None of them have axed their entire family. This is true, but none of these lived the life Benoit did for over 20 years, and none of them had, I'm sure, the number on concussions Benoit did. Think about it, Benoit didn't have as many days off as they did, his body took a much bigger beating than theirs, and I am positive he took a lot more shots to the head with blunt objects as they did. ...I don't really even know why I'm trying when so many people are so stuck on how they feel, but good grief, his own father said Christ told him he had more concussions than he could count. To me, this sounds like it COULD have had a major part in why he did what he did.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 6, 2007 16:47:53 GMT -5
Exactly. There are TONS of NFL players with multiple concussions. None of them have axed their entire family. This is true, but none of these lived the life Benoit did for over 20 years, and none of them had, I'm sure, the number on concussions Benoit did. Think about it, Benoit didn't have as many days off as they did, his body took a much bigger beating than theirs, and I am positive he took a lot more shots to the head with blunt objects as they did. ...I don't really even know why I'm trying when so many people are so stuck on how they feel, but good grief, his own father said Christ told him he had more concussions than he could count. To me, this sounds like it COULD have had a major part in why he did what he did. Merril Hoge had his bell rung so many times he couldn't walk. I would consider that much worse than Benoit.
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jmars
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Post by jmars on Sept 6, 2007 17:56:06 GMT -5
Wow this is going nowhere..
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Post by CC84 Johnny Ginger on Sept 6, 2007 17:59:23 GMT -5
even if he had head trauma, I dont understand how someone could kill their whole family suffering from head trauma. He's a murderer. plain and simple
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Post by The Doctor on Sept 6, 2007 18:14:54 GMT -5
Apparently you people are too ignorant to read. I don't say this because I am a Chris Benoit mark, indeed I gave up on WCW when they put the world title on him and I thought he was one of the most overrated workers in North America. That having been said, as was previously stated, it has been proven that Benoit had suffered brain damage similar to that of three former NFL players that committed suicide. Do any of you understand that? None of them properly healed from their injuries and that was a single factor among possibly many contributing to their tragic ends.
If any of you people have a Ph.D, I'll be more than happy to take your opinions into consideration, but the fact of the matter is that you are attempting to argue with people who are far, far more intelligent and knowledgeable than most people here. Stop trying to be right, when you're obviously not, and pay attention to someone who knows more that you. Not me, but real[/b] doctors.
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Post by The Michael on Sept 6, 2007 18:24:51 GMT -5
Apparently you people are too ignorant to read. I don't say this because I am a Chris Benoit mark, indeed I gave up on WCW when they put the world title on him and I thought he was one of the most overrated workers in North America. That having been said, as was previously stated, it has been proven that Benoit had suffered brain damage similar to that of three former NFL players that committed suicide. Do any of you understand that? None of them properly healed from their injuries and that was a single factor among possibly many contributing to their tragic ends. If any of you people have a Ph.D, I'll be more than happy to take your opinions into consideration, but the fact of the matter is that you are attempting to argue with people who are far, far more intelligent and knowledgeable than most people here. Stop trying to be right, when you're obviously not, and pay attention to someone who knows more that you. Not me, but real[/b] doctors. [/quote] Brilliant post.
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Post by kimberlysghost on Sept 6, 2007 18:29:48 GMT -5
I think everyone wants a reason why a man would murder his wife and son. And now we are reaching for anything.
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Post by iammjlolz on Sept 6, 2007 18:49:34 GMT -5
the man Loved his family to death and would never mentally murder them himself. only physically, my brother. only physically. god bless chris benoit.
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Post by Anaconda Vice on Sept 6, 2007 18:50:47 GMT -5
Do you guys ever get the feeling that this is a load of Media spawned bullcrap? I mean many wrestlers are a bit bad in the head, but if a movie star killed someone they would find another excuse. I kinda agree with you lol.
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