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Post by Fury on Jun 14, 2007 15:53:56 GMT -5
The man is living his gimmick, I mean 20 years ago he'd be considered just one of the guys doing this stuff, or maybe he'd be praised for being sucha resemblance to his character. But times have changed, and the WWE is a business. Randy needs to realize this ain't his fathers wrestling. I really think that maybe Randy grew up thinking this is what wrestlers do after seeing hsi father and so many other guys act this way, I think this is one instance where being from a family in the business has hurt. So let me get this straight, his gimmick is an immature, stoned, hotel trashing punk is it? How is he living his character. He's just being the things I listed above. And are we supposed to be applauding Randy for these recent efforts. Well done Randy you've managed to stay out of trouble for what must seem like an eternity, about 2 months.  If he stays this way for a long time then yeah I'll probably forget about it, but he is still just an immature punk who's gotten away with 7 of his 9 lives. |
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Post by scoobypat on Jun 14, 2007 16:55:36 GMT -5
The man is living his gimmick, I mean 20 years ago he'd be considered just one of the guys doing this stuff, or maybe he'd be praised for being sucha resemblance to his character. But times have changed, and the WWE is a business. Randy needs to realize this ain't his fathers wrestling. I really think that maybe Randy grew up thinking this is what wrestlers do after seeing hsi father and so many other guys act this way, I think this is one instance where being from a family in the business has hurt. So let me get this straight, his gimmick is an immature, stoned, hotel trashing punk is it? How is he living his character. He's just being the things I listed above. And are we supposed to be applauding Randy for these recent efforts. Well done Randy you've managed to stay out of trouble for what must seem like an eternity, about 2 months. If he stays this way for a long time then yeah I'll probably forget about it, but he is still just an immature punk who's gotten away with 7 of his 9 lives. Ok so Ric Flair was a drunk, man slut, coke head, hotel room trasher? No he was a partyer, he lived his gimmick, becuae to him it wasn't a gimmick. Ric Flair was the party and in many ways Randy Orton is a more toned down (in the sense that he's not as flamboyant) version of him. He parties out too hard, he's a womanizer, he has no respect for authority, he's arrogant, he is Randy Orton the wrestler and Randy Orton the person. I mean all you did was take a condescending approach to what I said, you chose to take what was clear and distort it into making it seem like Randy gets high all the time, then in his free time beats the hell out of hotel rooms. Honestly I don't condone drugs, but wake up many of our heros did them. |
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Post by Stevo on Jun 14, 2007 17:02:15 GMT -5
So let me get this straight, his gimmick is an immature, stoned, hotel trashing punk is it? How is he living his character. He's just being the things I listed above. And are we supposed to be applauding Randy for these recent efforts. Well done Randy you've managed to stay out of trouble for what must seem like an eternity, about 2 months. If he stays this way for a long time then yeah I'll probably forget about it, but he is still just an immature punk who's gotten away with 7 of his 9 lives. Ok so Ric Flair was a drunk, man slut, coke head, hotel room trasher? No he was a partyer, he lived his gimmick, becuae to him it wasn't a gimmick. Ric Flair was the party and in many ways Randy Orton is a more toned down (in the sense that he's not as flamboyant) version of him. He parties out too hard, he's a womanizer, he has no respect for authority, he's arrogant, he is Randy Orton the wrestler and Randy Orton the person. I mean all you did was take a condescending approach to what I said, you chose to take what was clear and distort it into making it seem like Randy gets high all the time, then in his free time beats the hell out of hotel rooms. Honestly I don't condone drugs, but wake up many of our heros did them. Woah, woah, woah, Ric Flair was not a coke head. He was a womanizer, drunken, party-hard jackass, but not a coke-head. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2007 17:03:57 GMT -5
Ok so Ric Flair was a drunk, man slut, coke head, hotel room trasher? No he was a partyer, he lived his gimmick, becuae to him it wasn't a gimmick. Ric Flair was the party and in many ways Randy Orton is a more toned down (in the sense that he's not as flamboyant) version of him. He parties out too hard, he's a womanizer, he has no respect for authority, he's arrogant, he is Randy Orton the wrestler and Randy Orton the person. I mean all you did was take a condescending approach to what I said, you chose to take what was clear and distort it into making it seem like Randy gets high all the time, then in his free time beats the hell out of hotel rooms. Honestly I don't condone drugs, but wake up many of our heros did them. Woah, woah, woah, Ric Flair was not a coke head. He was a womanizer, drunken, party-hard jackass, but not a coke-head. Now HBK on the other hand was all of those things, including the cokehead part. Hes trying to hide the fact that his has a degree in chemical science, and knows how to make even the smallest bombs. Vince was Legend Killed! |
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Post by yungking23 on Jun 14, 2007 18:31:10 GMT -5
Uh...congrats, Randy? Since when are we supposed to applaud someone for behaving properly and not acting like a dick backstage? This is the way he should be acting all the time. Just beause he doesn't take a dump in someone's bag, fail a drug test or trash a hotel room for a month doesn't mean he's a model citizen. Orton is sitll an untalented prick who should have been fired long ago. Orton isn't talentless, but you are right about everything else. Why should we look at him like he's some sort of hero just because he hasn't done anything bad in 2 months. The guy takes drugs (steroids), is a crackhead, harasses women, went to anger management, went to military prison and trashes hotel rooms for no reason. He has a resume that no one else in the wwe, or any organization, has. All the stuff that Orton has done could have very well gotten most people fired a long time ago and he is very lucky that all he has gotten were fines and a couple suspensions. In my opinion, it doesn't matter if he's a main eventer, but if he does at least one more bad thing, he should get released. It's not fair to guys like Joey Mercury who got released for only doing drugs, while some jackass like Orton is still around and he is 10x worse. If he keeps this good behavior up for another year, then I will show my respect to him, but for now he's still just an arrogant, ungrateful, dirtbag. |
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Post by Lk™ on Jun 14, 2007 19:28:50 GMT -5
i'm so proud of him.
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Post by Suckasays on Jun 14, 2007 19:30:13 GMT -5
He'll  up again...and he'll just get off like nothing happened..again. Give it time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2007 19:32:15 GMT -5
I just love the fact the Orton does these things and most of you are in line to crucify him, but people like Michaels or RVD up and you jump to defend them. |
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jun 14, 2007 19:56:03 GMT -5
I just love the fact the Orton does these things and most of you are in line to crucify him, but people like Michaels or RVD up and you jump to defend them. Maybe because Shawn Michaels and Rob Van Dam have a right to up based on the respect they have for the business and how long they've been around. Orton walks around like his crapdoesn't stink, knowing he can get away with whatever he does because of Triple H. |
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Post by Batista on Jun 14, 2007 19:57:25 GMT -5
I think they didnt fire him because they know just how big of a star he can be. His matches lately have been great.
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Post by layzie on Jun 14, 2007 20:00:12 GMT -5
best guy in wwe
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2007 20:04:18 GMT -5
I just love the fact the Orton does these things and most of you are in line to crucify him, but people like Michaels or RVD up and you jump to defend them. Maybe because Shawn Michaels and Rob Van Dam have a right to up based on the respect they have for the business and how long they've been around. Orton walks around like his **** doesn't stink, knowing he can get away with whatever he does because of Triple H. A respect for the business shouldn't mean shit. That doesnt give them the right to do what they did and get off easily. |
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Post by Adam on Jun 14, 2007 20:08:12 GMT -5
Shouldn't he have behaved better from the start?
...the guy should have been fired by now.
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Post by Ari Gold on Jun 14, 2007 22:20:22 GMT -5
i think its unfare that randy is not fired yet. if this were any other superstar, he would have been fired in a heartbeat.
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Post by scoobypat on Jun 14, 2007 23:31:39 GMT -5
Ok so Ric Flair was a drunk, man slut, coke head, hotel room trasher? No he was a partyer, he lived his gimmick, becuae to him it wasn't a gimmick. Ric Flair was the party and in many ways Randy Orton is a more toned down (in the sense that he's not as flamboyant) version of him. He parties out too hard, he's a womanizer, he has no respect for authority, he's arrogant, he is Randy Orton the wrestler and Randy Orton the person. I mean all you did was take a condescending approach to what I said, you chose to take what was clear and distort it into making it seem like Randy gets high all the time, then in his free time beats the hell out of hotel rooms. Honestly I don't condone drugs, but wake up many of our heros did them. Woah, woah, woah, Ric Flair was not a coke head. He was a womanizer, drunken, party-hard jackass, but not a coke-head. Come on just because Ricky boy says he didn't do drugs doens't mean it didn't happen. I mean lets look at this, Flair was known to party harder than anyone, he often drank heavily so clearily he wasn't looking out for his body too much, cocaine was a pretty casual drug to wrestlers in the 70's to 80's, Flair has as with anyone writing a biography taken some leniancy on himself. I mean I'd like to believe Flair didn't do it, and he might not of but he kind of fits the bill. I mean in Flair's book he said Piper took like a whole pound of coke as payment for a show in Puerto Rico. Now in Pipers book which seems very brutally honest, Piper nglects to say anything about cocaine. You see what I mean? When your writing your story, you like to leave those details out. |
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Post by Fury on Jun 14, 2007 23:59:39 GMT -5
So let me get this straight, his gimmick is an immature, stoned, hotel trashing punk is it? How is he living his character. He's just being the things I listed above. And are we supposed to be applauding Randy for these recent efforts. Well done Randy you've managed to stay out of trouble for what must seem like an eternity, about 2 months. If he stays this way for a long time then yeah I'll probably forget about it, but he is still just an immature punk who's gotten away with 7 of his 9 lives. Ok so Ric Flair was a drunk, man slut, coke head, hotel room trasher? No he was a partyer, he lived his gimmick, becuae to him it wasn't a gimmick. Ric Flair was the party and in many ways Randy Orton is a more toned down (in the sense that he's not as flamboyant) version of him. He parties out too hard, he's a womanizer, he has no respect for authority, he's arrogant, he is Randy Orton the wrestler and Randy Orton the person. I mean all you did was take a condescending approach to what I said, you chose to take what was clear and distort it into making it seem like Randy gets high all the time, then in his free time beats the hell out of hotel rooms. Honestly I don't condone drugs, but wake up many of our heros did them. No I did not act like he gets stoned all the time,trashes hotels all the time and I did not distort what you were. You were basically defending Orton because his gimmick is an arrogant heel. So you'd condone if Carlito walked around actually spitting in the face of everyone, because he's living his gimmick. What if Orton's character was that of a gay pornstar. Your gimmick is what's given to you by WWE, you don't have to live it, you also don't have to have the same lifestyle as your fathers. Which im sure had less cost effects than what Randy has done in his short career. I don't condone it when anyone acts up like this, but when Orton constantly gets away with it time after time after time then yeah it does really piss me off. |
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Post by scoobypat on Jun 15, 2007 0:25:23 GMT -5
Ok so Ric Flair was a drunk, man slut, coke head, hotel room trasher? No he was a partyer, he lived his gimmick, becuae to him it wasn't a gimmick. Ric Flair was the party and in many ways Randy Orton is a more toned down (in the sense that he's not as flamboyant) version of him. He parties out too hard, he's a womanizer, he has no respect for authority, he's arrogant, he is Randy Orton the wrestler and Randy Orton the person. I mean all you did was take a condescending approach to what I said, you chose to take what was clear and distort it into making it seem like Randy gets high all the time, then in his free time beats the hell out of hotel rooms. Honestly I don't condone drugs, but wake up many of our heros did them. No I did not act like he gets stoned all the time,trashes hotels all the time and I did not distort what you were. You were basically defending Orton because his gimmick is an arrogant heel. So you'd condone if Carlito walked around actually spitting in the face of everyone, because he's living his gimmick. What if Orton's character was that of a gay pornstar. Your gimmick is what's given to you by WWE, you don't have to live it, you also don't have to have the same lifestyle as your fathers. Which im sure had less cost effects than what Randy has done in his short career. I don't condone it when anyone acts up like this, but when Orton constantly gets away with it time after time after time then yeah it does really piss me off. Reread my original post, I didn't defend Orton at all. i list possible reasons why he might act this way, and what he is doing. But defend him? No. |
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Post by Fury on Jun 15, 2007 0:49:58 GMT -5
No I did not act like he gets stoned all the time,trashes hotels all the time and I did not distort what you were. You were basically defending Orton because his gimmick is an arrogant heel. So you'd condone if Carlito walked around actually spitting in the face of everyone, because he's living his gimmick. What if Orton's character was that of a gay pornstar. Your gimmick is what's given to you by WWE, you don't have to live it, you also don't have to have the same lifestyle as your fathers. Which im sure had less cost effects than what Randy has done in his short career. I don't condone it when anyone acts up like this, but when Orton constantly gets away with it time after time after time then yeah it does really piss me off. Reread my original post, I didn't defend Orton at all. i list possible reasons why he might act this way, and what he is doing. But defend him? No. I guess trying to condone would be a better set of words other than defend. But you did post those comments about him living his gimmick in a positive matter. And those reasons are not good reasons really. Basically it's the same argument as if someone kills someone because they saw it on a videogame or it was their character in a movement, same as if you saw your father do it so you did. Whilst not to the same degree, it is essentially the same form of argument and people don't get away with it because of those arguments so why should Orton. I get that people don't feel the same way I do as Orton. What I don't get is how people think he has been punished sufficiently and think he deserves better than what he gets. How? |
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Post by scoobypat on Jun 15, 2007 10:13:30 GMT -5
Reread my original post, I didn't defend Orton at all. i list possible reasons why he might act this way, and what he is doing. But defend him? No. I guess trying to condone would be a better set of words other than defend. But you did post those comments about him living his gimmick in a positive matter. And those reasons are not good reasons really. Basically it's the same argument as if someone kills someone because they saw it on a videogame or it was their character in a movement, same as if you saw your father do it so you did. Whilst not to the same degree, it is essentially the same form of argument and people don't get away with it because of those arguments so why should Orton. I get that people don't feel the same way I do as Orton. What I don't get is how people think he has been punished sufficiently and think he deserves better than what he gets. How? What I originally meant was that Orton is living in a different time than what he thought wrestling would be. If Orton had come just a decade or 2 before he would have been one of those guys who are priased for being so mucha part of their gimmick. There's nothing wrong, nor right about that, it's just how it is. But Orton doesn't live in that time, he lives in the professional business of wrestling world now, he and he needs to adjust. Secondly you mentioned how it frustrates you that Orton isn't sufficently punished. Well to be honest with you, this isn't elementary school anymore, this is life. Orton works in that professional business world like I mentioned before, and in that world and in life in general, crap ain't fair. You just got to get over it and move on. I always see posters whining about how this isn't fair, and how can the WWE do that? Well the WWE is a business and they're looking out for themselves, they don't care about peoples feeling, nor should they. For them some wrestlers are worth more than others, and yes it might not ideal, but it's their choice and probably a good idea on their part to treat those who they think are more profitable differently. Lastly I just want to say, this is all here-say. We all get so wrapped up in these stroies that people take sides as if they were there. Do we really no how Randy Orton is and acts? Do we really know what he did? I mean Randy Orton could be the nicest guy in the E, and he's just one unluck SOB. Or he could be a douche and he deserves it. But we don't know, and until you or I or someone else are actual acquantices when him then I believe we should stick to speculation and hold off on judgement of character. |
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Post by TeamExtreme718x on Jun 16, 2007 20:56:08 GMT -5
Wonder how long this can last.. Hopefully he keeps it together...
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