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Post by embalmer on Jun 25, 2007 12:49:31 GMT -5
I know Markster, waddaya gonna do? Here we go again. How predictable. I knew old school would be waiting to respond to me as he always is.
I'm over exaggerating? Ever since she first won the title it was her non stop until she finally hit the road. No disputing that. Part of why the division fell apart. That's the way it was. I was cool with Trish and liked her....first....second reign, then I saw it wasn't stopping. Yea, wasn't stopping. There was no longer quite a division of many women anymore either was there but just one woman. Why have a whole roster when all you need is one and a new heel of the month. You know my views and you have yours. Thats my opinion, like I said I know I'm in the minority when it comes to the incomparable one, but I say it how I see it. Just like you do. As far as the other 10 women I was referencing to before on in ring ability...
Mickie James Jacqueline Ivory Jillian Hall Molly Holly Luna Trinity Jazz Victoria Tori
That was easy. But look, I'm not goanna start comparing and over analyzing here in a stupid little debate with you taking apart what these other women of accomplished. Beating a dead horse, every time Trish is mentioned. Yea, I guess enough repeating. Some of these women have done a lot more in and OUT of WWE than Trish has in their wrestling careers. But you and others see it different, hey, that's ok.
Though you're absolutely right, she held the belt off and on 7 times over around 6 years, much like John Cena has been pushed, so good for him too don't ya think. You should really start to appreciate him more, the two are very much alike, so I don’t see why not. World Life Mr School. You should love the guy, attributes all you support. Like you said, why not? They're two of the most dominating superstars in history. You bet good for her and them.
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Post by Mark on Jun 25, 2007 12:53:38 GMT -5
Trish wasnt as nearly pushed down our throat as Cena not to mention her matches were totally different
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Jun 25, 2007 12:54:53 GMT -5
Trish > Cena
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Post by layzie on Jun 25, 2007 12:59:01 GMT -5
i seriously don't see how she is even remotely hot. shes a LOT hotter than maria.
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Post by ctvampslayer on Jun 25, 2007 13:01:41 GMT -5
"Hot" is subjective. Personally, I think both Candice and Maria are gorgeous.
Plus, Trish was awesome. If anyone deserves the title of "innovator," it's her, along with the likes of Lita, Chyna, Sable, and the early women like Moolah and Sherri.
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Post by Angel Beast on Jun 25, 2007 13:04:08 GMT -5
trish was entertaining to watch her and lita made women's wrestling interesting again. john cena isn't entertaining anymore. you watch cena its like "huh did this happen last monday" candice is entertaining to watch. while melina has that deja vou effect to her like john cena.
that's my opinion
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Post by embalmer on Jun 25, 2007 13:16:52 GMT -5
Though I must say, just my opinion though, the amount of reigns in such a short period is not all that impressive, to me anyway. Its how long you can hold onto the belt. Long reigns, not someone who loses it 6 times and yet only keeps winning it back right afterwards. Just keep the thing. If Trish had held the belt say, 2 or 3 times in her time, those reigns being very long reigns, thats impressive. That wouldn't have bothered me.
As for as it being so impressive she retired as champion. Who really cares, well you do, but especially these days. Who else was gonna take it from her? Aaaashley. pfft. It was her last match going into it and we all knew that, I think it was rather uneventful. She won it non stop anyway, so why not, not all that prestigious. Chyna did it too, didn't renew her contract like Trish, big deal. Wasn't some special sendoff, where she has been going at it for years and years and its been so long that shes held it. Very repetitive. Wins it, new heel comes in and takes it. Wins it back, enter new heel. She was only in the business for 6 years and is back to being done with it. She won it 5 seconds before she left, rather forgettable. Alundra threw it in the trash, Rockin Robin still has the belt sittin at home somewhere. Woo hoo.
The way she seems to not wanna have anything to do with wrestling anymore, doesn't seem like the business was all that much in her blood to begin with. Yeaaaa, I'm just saying, seems that way to me. "I'm done with that chapter of my life", wow soo meany years, you bet, you go!
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Post by B-Radimus Prime on Jun 25, 2007 13:22:19 GMT -5
I know Markster, waddaya gonna do? Here we go again. How predictable. I knew old school would be waiting to respond to me as he always is. I'm over exaggerating? Ever since she first won the title it was her non stop until she finally hit the road. No disputing that. Part of why the division fell apart. That's the way it was. I was cool with Trish and liked her....first....second reign, then I saw it wasn't stopping. Yea, wasn't stopping. There was no longer quite a division of many women anymore either was there but just one woman. Why have a whole roster when all you need is one and a new heel of the month. You know my views and you have yours. Thats my opinion, like I said I know I'm in the minority when it comes to the incomparable one, but I say it how I see it. Just like you do. As far as the other 10 women I was referencing to before on in ring ability... Mickie James Jacqueline Ivory Jillian Hall Molly Holly Luna Trinity Jazz Victoria Tori That was easy. But look, I'm not goanna start comparing and over analyzing here in a stupid little debate with you taking apart what these other women of accomplished. Beating a dead horse, every time Trish is mentioned. Yea, I guess enough repeating. Some of these women have done a lot more in and OUT of WWE than Trish has in their wrestling careers. But you and others see it different, hey, that's ok. Though you're absolutely right, she held the belt off and on 7 times over around 6 years, much like John Cena has been pushed, so good for him too don't ya think. You should really start to appreciate him more, the two are very much alike, so I don’t see why not. World Life Mr School. You should love the guy, attributes all you support. Like you said, why not? They're two of the most dominating superstars in history. You bet good for her and them. Hey, you've got one person here who agrees with you 110 %
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Post by comebackkid on Jun 25, 2007 13:23:26 GMT -5
I know Markster, waddaya gonna do? Here we go again. How predictable. I knew old school would be waiting to respond to me as he always is. I'm over exaggerating? Ever since she first won the title it was her non stop until she finally hit the road. No disputing that. Part of why the division fell apart. That's the way it was. I was cool with Trish and liked her....first....second reign, then I saw it wasn't stopping. Yea, wasn't stopping. There was no longer quite a division of many women anymore either was there but just one woman. Why have a whole roster when all you need is one and a new heel of the month. You know my views and you have yours. Thats my opinion, like I said I know I'm in the minority when it comes to the incomparable one, but I say it how I see it. Just like you do. As far as the other 10 women I was referencing to before on in ring ability... Mickie James Jacqueline Ivory Jillian Hall Molly Holly Luna Trinity Jazz Victoria Tori That was easy. But look, I'm not goanna start comparing and over analyzing here in a stupid little debate with you taking apart what these other women of accomplished. Beating a dead horse, every time Trish is mentioned. Yea, I guess enough repeating. Some of these women have done a lot more in and OUT of WWE than Trish has in their wrestling careers. But you and others see it different, hey, that's ok. Though you're absolutely right, she held the belt off and on 7 times over around 6 years, much like John Cena has been pushed, so good for him too don't ya think. You should really start to appreciate him more, the two are very much alike, so I don’t see why not. World Life Mr School. You should love the guy, attributes all you support. Like you said, why not? They're two of the most dominating superstars in history. You bet good for her and them. Tori sucked, replace her with Gail Kim
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Post by lala08 on Jun 25, 2007 13:24:35 GMT -5
Well, all our questions and opinions will be answered when she starts to defend the belt. I do believe it was J.B.L. who said last night "To win a championship is one thing, but trying to hold onto it is another". Or something to that effect. I just don't like her spinning leg-clothesline thing she does as a finisher. It looks extremely sloppy and could actually hurt someone. We'll just see how she does defending the belt before we all start to bash her. Well put
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Post by James St. James on Jun 25, 2007 13:49:57 GMT -5
Trish's 6th reign was 400 someodd days, it lasted a week longer than Sherris and was the second longest reign in history (second only to Moolahs 50 year reign)
I believe that the Trish/Lita feud was the best female feud in history, it lasted practically there whole WWE careers and the fans were really into it. WWE superstars need to do 2 things; put on a good match and get over with the fans, and Trish did just that. She was involved in probably 4 out of the 10 of what could be considered the "best womans matches ever" (Unforgiven 2006, WM 22, 12/06/04 RAW, Chicago Street Fight) and she deserves a certain amount of notoriety.
I like Candice having the belt moreso because it is someone different. Mickie was a breath of fresh air, Melina was totally boring as champion and other than that its been a back and forth between Trish/Lita for the last 4 years. I find it funny that in Lita's autobiography she said that before she came onto the scene the womans division was "a back and forth between Jacqueline and Ivory that the fans had grown sick of" when, in fact, Jackie and Ivory never lost the belt to one another. Learn your history before you start to bash, Lita.
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Post by carola on Jun 25, 2007 13:53:06 GMT -5
I like Candice too, let's hope she's a good champion
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jun 25, 2007 14:00:09 GMT -5
Yay, another dumbass bimbo that can't wrestle. Has anyone ever even watched her give an interview. She sounds like she is mentally intellectually- disabled. Her looks are the only reason she was hired. She has gotten a 100X better from when she started out. I think this was a good move. Melina was terrible and we know she didnt get hired for her looks. Its one of the only match results I agreed with at Vengeance. E gets praised for this.
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Post by James St. James on Jun 25, 2007 14:27:32 GMT -5
WORST WOMANS CHAMPION EVER???!!!
You sir know nothing about the history of this championship......
Debra won the title after LOSING an evening gown match when Shawn Michaels changed the rules of an evening gown match so it would be the opposite. She never defended it and lost it to Ivory in a terrible squash match.
Miss Kitty won the title in an "evening gown in a pool match" and lost it to a man in a "snow bunny match"
Stephanie McMahon Helmsley got it and held it for a PAINFUL 6 months, and at WM 16 we got a "catfight" instead of a legit womens wrestling match. She only legitimately defended it once and that match was a squash.
Candice WRESTLED the belt away from Melina, so that already puts her above those three. As far as being a role model for little girls, there hasn't been one since Miss Elizabeth. This is entertainment for adult males, so I wouldn't expect little girls to look up to anyone.
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Post by BCizzle on Jun 25, 2007 14:38:15 GMT -5
Candice has improved so much as a wrestler, I don't even mind her being Women's Champ. Then again, Christy Hemme worked had and improved and go shown the door.
And I can't help but think of the video I saw of the guy licking Candice's feet everytime I see her. She is forever tainted in my eyes because of that creepy video.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Jun 25, 2007 16:03:56 GMT -5
WORST WOMANS CHAMPION EVER???!!! You sir know nothing about the history of this championship...... Debra won the title after LOSING an evening gown match when Shawn Michaels changed the rules of an evening gown match so it would be the opposite. She never defended it and lost it to Ivory in a terrible squash match. Miss Kitty won the title in an "evening gown in a pool match" and lost it to a man in a "snow bunny match" Stephanie McMahon Helmsley got it and held it for a PAINFUL 6 months, and at WM 16 we got a "catfight" instead of a legit womens wrestling match. She only legitimately defended it once and that match was a squash. Candice WRESTLED the belt away from Melina, so that already puts her above those three. As far as being a role model for little girls, there hasn't been one since Miss Elizabeth. This is entertainment for adult males, so I wouldn't expect little girls to look up to anyone. I'd rather have Stephanie as the women's champ than Candice. Candice is nothing but a dirty slut. At least women like Trish, Lita, Stacy Kiebler and Melina refuse to lower themselves and do porno like Playboy and stuff, Candice is useless in the ring the only thing she's good for is prancing around practically half naked all the time, don't get me wrong I don't mind that, but it should take a lot more than that to become Women's Champ. I also don't understand where all these people think she has improved in the ring cause I sure as hell don't see it, she still sucks just as much as she did when she first got eliminated at the first diva search. Candice is just not a credible champion and she should not have beaten Melina as much as she did it's just not believable, I hate having Candice as the women's champ, I HATE IT! She sucks and is no where near as good as Melina. And I know a lot of people here find Melina unatractive but I think Melina's a lot sexier than Candice.
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Post by taker1 on Jun 25, 2007 16:05:35 GMT -5
i seriously don't see how she is even remotely hot. shes a LOT hotter than maria. agreed. i think this was a good move. she's no mickie, ivory, or trish in the ring, but she's definitely gotten pretty solid. and let's face it..Melina's reign( err..reigns) sucked. She's just not a top heel and couldn't draw any heat. Candice is way more over as a face than Melina is as a heel. Now she needs to hang with Cryme Tyme again.
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Post by taker1 on Jun 25, 2007 16:07:14 GMT -5
WORST WOMANS CHAMPION EVER???!!! You sir know nothing about the history of this championship...... Debra won the title after LOSING an evening gown match when Shawn Michaels changed the rules of an evening gown match so it would be the opposite. She never defended it and lost it to Ivory in a terrible squash match. Miss Kitty won the title in an "evening gown in a pool match" and lost it to a man in a "snow bunny match" Stephanie McMahon Helmsley got it and held it for a PAINFUL 6 months, and at WM 16 we got a "catfight" instead of a legit womens wrestling match. She only legitimately defended it once and that match was a squash. Candice WRESTLED the belt away from Melina, so that already puts her above those three. As far as being a role model for little girls, there hasn't been one since Miss Elizabeth. This is entertainment for adult males, so I wouldn't expect little girls to look up to anyone. Nah, all those girls are better than the worst champion ever..HERVINA!
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Post by James St. James on Jun 25, 2007 16:36:57 GMT -5
I gave Hervina a pass since his reign only lasted from RAW on monday to Smackdown on thursday. Both matches he was involved in were terrible though.
Its hard to hate someone who beats Ashley (the real talentless skank here) and shows us her cooch every night. Victoria should be pushed as the top heel right now, not Melina. She should continue to be a wrecking ball on SD! And hospitalize Michelle McCool, Kristal and Torrie (again) biting off a couple fingernails wouldn't hurt either......god that was so badass.
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Post by JTG on Jun 25, 2007 17:11:08 GMT -5
I was super happy that she won the title. She has a lot of potential. I hope she has a long reign
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