scoobypat
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Post by scoobypat on Jun 26, 2007 17:35:10 GMT -5
This whole Bneoit fiasco has really opened floodgates for the steroids in wrestling debate. I was surprised how WWE kind of weaseled their way by the issue after Eddie's death, they came up with some BS testing policy but clearly it wasn't effective. So where does this leave us now? We as fans need to demand more out of the WWE.
Wrestlers do not have to fit a mold anymore, and alot of us say the WWE doesn't understand this, but I think first we fans must get behind this idea. I see people constantly making remarks about Murdoch, or Umagas wait as if it negatively impacts them. When guys like JBL, HHH and Edge arent' as cut as they once were fans get on them for it. To break down this meathead image of wrestling we need to start with ourselves.
Don't get me wrong, I mean wrestlers can look jakked without using roids, I'm sure there are a whole slew of guys in the WWE who are just that. But there are also guys who for what ever reason be it pressure from the industry or company put this crap in their bodies. Honestly I always thought Benoit was a naturally built guy, he didn't have that fake watered down muscle look to him. I knew a guy in highschool who was all natural, didn't even use creatin who had a similar build. But this has taught me that we can't just pick out a guy based off of character or build.
What I'm saying is changes need to be made now, and those changes start with what the fans demand.
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Post by Spicoli~! on Jun 26, 2007 17:51:07 GMT -5
I agree, but I don't think its us that demand a wrestlers look, it's Vince. Honestly everyone knows to be real successful in WWE you need to be BIG (either fat big, like Umaga or Viscera, or built big, tons of muscles on muscles). That is one of the reasons I LOVE Murdoch. His look reminds me of a time when you didn't need to have huge abs and pecks and whatnot to get a push, you got a push because you knew how to wrestle. I know Murdoch isn't the best, but he is damn good and is still improving.
Vince needs to re-evaluate his standards. What the real shame is, I bet most of the guys start on roids to maintain physique because being on the road and bumping every night kills them, but later get addicted and fall victim of them. Also because they are afraid if they let themselves go just a little bit, that they will be de-pushed (sorta like Masters when he returned)
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Post by mickeyj1130 on Jun 26, 2007 17:54:19 GMT -5
I have said this many times in the past, stop giving the WWE $40 of your hard earned money every single month, they don't deserve one red cent! The WWE will never change, wrestling will always be a disguisting filthy business and people will ALWAYS despise professional wrestling....
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Jun 26, 2007 18:18:01 GMT -5
It was obvious Benoit was on the roids. Look at his build back in WCW compared to WWE. Anyone that goes to WWE and really wants a push out of it will use the roids. Eddie, Benoit, & Rey all did them. If those guys would of never been on the roids I'm 99% certain they would of never been World Champ. Nothing will ever be done about steroids in wrestling because Vince is against pushing smaller guys. Always has been and unfortunately always will be.
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Post by Mark on Jun 26, 2007 18:22:44 GMT -5
Please let me see comparison pics of benoit in wcw and WWF He always seemed naturallu fit to me
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Post by rawevolution on Jun 26, 2007 18:35:26 GMT -5
I have said this many times in the past, stop giving the WWE $40 of your hard earned money every single month, they don't deserve one red cent! The WWE will never change, wrestling will always be a disguisting filthy business and people will ALWAYS despise professional wrestling.... As an indy ref who made it all the way up to Ring of Honor, I couldnt agree with you more. Most people on this forum will NEVER have ANY idea how disgusting wrestling's underbelly is. And trust me folks, your better off for it. Also, as to the debate of whether or not Benoit did steroids...almost the entire WWE roster does steroids, some harder than others. This is not an argument worth fighting, he took steroids. I will agree 100% with WWE that Nancy and Daniel Benoit were not victims of "roid rage". The deplorable act was calculated. This is just too much, I cannot believe that the wrestling world is having to go through this.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Jun 26, 2007 19:46:38 GMT -5
Start cheering for the chubby guys!
Hooray for Trevor Murdoch! Yahoo for JBL!
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Post by classicfan on Jun 26, 2007 20:04:59 GMT -5
I am against steroids in almost every way but without them, alot of guys would be alot skinnier than they currently are. Take for example, Lesnar, he was obviously on them because he got off of them for MMA and is not much thinner.
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Post by Squirrel Lips on Jun 26, 2007 20:06:53 GMT -5
If an athleate takes steroids, it's their own stupid fault. There's really no way to regulate it, there's always going to be a few who can get around it. I think MLB has made this huge thing out of steroid users and it's become this larger than life issue.
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Post by GreatJunta36 on Jun 26, 2007 20:09:13 GMT -5
Chris Benoit (if it was steroids) didn't get forced into it by the fans OR the WWE... he had an obsessive attitude with wrestling. It was truely his LIFE. When you have that drive you'll do what you need to get to where you want to be
and even if it wasn't steroids: Wrestling was all he ever really knew
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Post by taihyll on Jun 26, 2007 20:11:26 GMT -5
I wish there would be a serious ban on them, but there wont be. Wrestlers can look tough without them, look at some of the REALLY old wrestlers who were just naturally jakked up dudes. not fat but not muscular just BIG. I'd much rather see guys who look like legitament badasses then guys who look like silly weight lifters filled with air.
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Post by 49% Motherf**ker, 51% SOB on Jun 26, 2007 20:15:31 GMT -5
Steroids have such a bad wrap as it is, and now will have a even worse now. The best thing that anyone should do who wants to form a opinion on steroids is find out both the positve and negative side effects from steroids. And yes, there are positive effects from steroids. I did a 5 page paper alone on the positive effects of steroids.
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Post by Graze on Jun 26, 2007 20:27:55 GMT -5
It's not the fans, it's the industry. They push these big muscles guy and thats the focus and that makes the wrestlers push themselves to a limit and adds to their stress. The WWE and the business in general needs to be changed. Stop pushing guys based on looks and do harder better drug testing. Push guys based on talent and not on bodies. Wrestling needs to be regulated, it's needs a governing body, like UFC has all the commissions, wrestling needs one too. Enough is enough, the business needs to be cleaned up.
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Post by James St. James on Jun 26, 2007 20:28:41 GMT -5
Its pretty disgusting that the WWE obviously has selective drug tests for its superstars. I feel like there "wellness policy" is just a front for the media and also an excuse to get rid of stale talent (like Joey Mercury) Randy Orton failed tests and they changed the policy so they wouldn't have to lose a main eventer. Its disgusting, but when the boss is on Roids too, what are you gonna do? Its like steroids are only frowned upon if it is uncovered by the media, otherwise its encouraged. I'm not a fan of the "greek god" look in wrestling, as most of the time there isn't the talent there to back it up. If we had to do without Cena, Lashley, Orton and Batista in order to have a more credible product and less criticism of the product in general I would be all for it. I'd rather watch CM Punk and Viscera go at it all day than have a bunch of people who kids look up to set an impossible standard to live up to (without doing the drug themselves). Its sad that a product that tries to be so preachy and inspirational all the time encourages things like steroids and plastic surgery in order to be successful.
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Post by Mark on Jun 26, 2007 20:29:47 GMT -5
Steroids have such a bad wrap as it is, and now will have a even worse now. The best thing that anyone should do who wants to form a opinion on steroids is find out both the positve and negative side effects from steroids. And yes, there are positive effects from steroids. I did a 5 page paper alone on the positive effects of steroids. What was the positive? It made Batista?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2007 20:31:43 GMT -5
I just read the most disturbing news in this whole Benoit thing, they gave Dainiel human growth hormones(steroids), because they felt he was too small. Both Chris and Nancy were both sick s. That child was doomed from the start.
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Post by The Rocker on Jun 26, 2007 20:35:04 GMT -5
From what I've heard, Vince makes some people Do steroids. after Vince isn't owner anymore, I wonder if Shane/Steph will make people do that.
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Post by Graze on Jun 26, 2007 20:36:57 GMT -5
I just read the most disturbing news in this whole Benoit thing, they gave Dainiel human growth hormones(steroids), because they felt he was too small. Both Chris and Nancy were both sick s. That child was doomed from the start. Maybe it was recommended by a doctor, I have heard children being on meds to make them bigger
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2007 20:42:16 GMT -5
I just read the most disturbing news in this whole Benoit thing, they gave Dainiel human growth hormones(steroids), because they felt he was too small. Both Chris and Nancy were both sick s. That child was doomed from the start. Maybe it was recommended by a doctor, I have heard children being on meds to make them bigger Yeah, but it has been reported on wrestlezone.com as "shocking", meaning that it was indeed steroids. Your right, some doctors do recommend growth meds, but it is very risksy because as the child matures it leaves a chance of having heart attacks. This is why most parents don't put children on meds such as growth hormones and ritalin.
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Post by scoobypat on Jun 26, 2007 20:43:46 GMT -5
Steroids have such a bad wrap as it is, and now will have a even worse now. The best thing that anyone should do who wants to form a opinion on steroids is find out both the positve and negative side effects from steroids. And yes, there are positive effects from steroids. I did a 5 page paper alone on the positive effects of steroids. I used to be in the same boat honestly. I did reserach and stuff and I found alot of the stuff was over blown, then I looked even further into it and noticed things people aren't always told about when they do roids. That being the effects it has on your kidney's and liver, trust me anabolic steroids will F up your liver and kidney's.
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