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Post by James Hardy on Dec 12, 2007 16:00:16 GMT -5
If Nikolai Volkoff is in the Hall Of Fame.. The Rock deserves to be in.
He's one of the biggest stars in WWE history. That's all that really matters. How long his career was, or how long his title reigns were don't matter. He only held the title for short periods of time, because of the era that he was in. There were frequent title changes in the attitude era, for all belts, and all champs. Don't hold that against the Rock.
Austin was the catalyst to the Attitude era.. but The Rock being around was definitely beneficial to the success of the WWE as well..
And you mentioned Bret Hart.. well as much as I love Hart, The Rock was a bigger star, and draw than Bret. To me, The Rock is more deserved of a Hall Of Fame spot than Bret.. just for that reason. To me the amount of titles they held or how long they were champ or how talented they were in the ring doesn't matter.. if you were a gigantic star like The Rock was you deserve to be in.
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Post by carly1988 on Dec 12, 2007 16:07:01 GMT -5
If Nikolai Volkoff is in the Hall Of Fame.. The Rock deserves to be in. He's one of the biggest stars in WWE history. That's all that really matters. How long his career was, or how long his title reigns were don't matter. He only held the title for short periods of time, because of the era that he was in. There were frequent title changes in the attitude era, for all belts, and all champs. Don't hold that against the Rock. Austin was the catalyst to the Attitude era.. but The Rock being around was definitely beneficial to the success of the WWE as well.. And you bring a very good point but a whole new argument...How many people in the HOF really deserve to be there?? IMO current HOFers that SHOULD be in the hall are... Buddy Rogers Gorilla Monsoon Freddie Blassie Pedro Morales Fabulous Moolah Vince McMahon Sr Harley Race Bobby Heenan Jesse Ventura Hulk Hogan Jimmy Hart Roddy Piper Iron Shiek Bret Hart Verne Gagne Sherri Martel Gene Okerland Dusty Rhodes Jerry Lawler Jim Ross Mr Fuji and MAYBE, MAYBE Curt Henning (and im a BIG Mr Perfect fan)
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Post by ian5555 on Dec 12, 2007 17:15:34 GMT -5
How did he sell out? let's see, stay in a business where you have to constantly travel and have a good chance of getting hurt with an injury that makes you a cripple or make movies, make more $$ and not have to deal with the Mcmahon's? I'll take door number 2, kthxbye.
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Post by DgenerationX092 on Dec 12, 2007 20:59:33 GMT -5
first off, Dwayne owes WWE his whole career. without WWE there would never be a "Rock" or he wouldnt have "The Millions" wether its millions of fans or millions of dollers. really the thing that pisses me off is just how the rock returned that night after stone cold left and gave that speech. the whole thing about austin taking his ball and going home.(when really austins being more loyal to WWE while in retirement than Dwayne will ever be. Vince needs to call Austin once and he's on a plane to the next RAW) And he talked about how WWE will always be his home. last time i checked, when you leave home on good terms, you ussually come back from time to time instead of making a phone call once a year(live via sattelite). You make it sound like The Rock has turned his back on the WWE and badmouthed them or something. He doesn't owe Vince or the WWE anything. The Rock paid his dues and carried the company on his back during the later stages of his career, so it's not like this is a case with Brock Lesnar where Vince pushed him to the moon within the span of 6 months only for him to walk out after 2 years. The Rock busted his ass and deserved his time in the spotlight. He's at a point right now where he doesn't need the WWE. I say, good for him. Why should he go back to wrestle if his heart isn't really in it? He's moved on, and I think it's time the fans did, as well. Does that mean he'll never show up again? Probably not. But to actually get upset when he doesn't show up for a big WWE show when they NEVER advertised him is just silly. Besides, if The Rock did come back to a role similar to that of Hogan, Foley or Austin, everybody would get sick of it. Look at how many people here have turned on Hogan, Austin and Foley because it's the same thing whenever they show up. If The Rock had one of those contracts, it would be fun for a while, but then everyone would get tired of it and we'd move on to the next thing. For all we know, that may be one of the reasons The Rock doesn't want to come back. He probably just wants be remembered for what he did in his prime rather than risk wearing out his welcome and getting stale. first, idk how u think dwayne doesnt owe WWE anything. He owes them for his fame and fortune! like seriously WWE turned Rocky Miavia into The Rock when he was bood even though he was a face. He wasnt anybody before WWF. Sure, The rock ran with the ball, but WWE had to give it to him first. and The Rock did NOT carry the company on his back toward the end of his career. the last time he was in the main event scene, was from the point when the rock returned and gave his speech, to the night that he lost his WWE title to Brock Lesnar. which is like 2 months. since then, hes been in the mid-card. HHH carried the company during that period, because thats when he was reigning champ. Why should he go back to wrestle? i never said that. i said he can make an appearance. that wouldnt kill him, right? i mean, it really sounds like WWE was a deamon of his and his trying to forget it. i know thats not how it really is, but still. and i would think its stupid to think the rock was gonna show up if he wasnt advertised. but guess what? he WAS advertised. Myspace, WF, Youtube, WWE.com everywhere where there was an AD for the 15 anni., who was the ONLY person on the ad? THE ROCK. and again, im not asking for him to do a foley/Hogan/Austin thing, but a one night appearance on the place that made you doesnt hurt. he hassnt appeared live at WWE since 2004. but o well idc if he comes anymore or not, but there was a point to be proven of why (and in others cases, why not) he should have came to RAW.
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Post by Stevo on Dec 12, 2007 21:16:58 GMT -5
You make it sound like The Rock has turned his back on the WWE and badmouthed them or something. He doesn't owe Vince or the WWE anything. The Rock paid his dues and carried the company on his back during the later stages of his career, so it's not like this is a case with Brock Lesnar where Vince pushed him to the moon within the span of 6 months only for him to walk out after 2 years. The Rock busted his ass and deserved his time in the spotlight. He's at a point right now where he doesn't need the WWE. I say, good for him. Why should he go back to wrestle if his heart isn't really in it? He's moved on, and I think it's time the fans did, as well. Does that mean he'll never show up again? Probably not. But to actually get upset when he doesn't show up for a big WWE show when they NEVER advertised him is just silly. Besides, if The Rock did come back to a role similar to that of Hogan, Foley or Austin, everybody would get sick of it. Look at how many people here have turned on Hogan, Austin and Foley because it's the same thing whenever they show up. If The Rock had one of those contracts, it would be fun for a while, but then everyone would get tired of it and we'd move on to the next thing. For all we know, that may be one of the reasons The Rock doesn't want to come back. He probably just wants be remembered for what he did in his prime rather than risk wearing out his welcome and getting stale. first, idk how u think dwayne doesnt owe WWE anything. He owes them for his fame and fortune! like seriously WWE turned Rocky Miavia into The Rock when he was bood even though he was a face. He wasnt anybody before WWF. Sure, The rock ran with the ball, but WWE had to give it to him first. and The Rock did NOT carry the company on his back toward the end of his career. the last time he was in the main event scene, was from the point when the rock returned and gave his speech, to the night that he lost his WWE title to Brock Lesnar. which is like 2 months. since then, hes been in the mid-card. HHH carried the company during that period, because thats when he was reigning champ. Why should he go back to wrestle? i never said that. i said he can make an appearance. that wouldnt kill him, right? i mean, it really sounds like WWE was a deamon of his and his trying to forget it. i know thats not how it really is, but still. and i would think its stupid to think the rock was gonna show up if he wasnt advertised. but guess what? he WAS advertised. Myspace, WF, Youtube, WWE.com everywhere where there was an AD for the 15 anni., who was the ONLY person on the ad? THE ROCK. and again, im not asking for him to do a foley/Hogan/Austin thing, but a one night appearance on the place that made you doesnt hurt. he hassnt appeared live at WWE since 2004. but o well idc if he comes anymore or not, but there was a point to be proven of why (and in others cases, why not) he should have came to RAW. Did you just call The Rock's last three regular PPV matches against Hogan, Austin, and Goldberg "mid-card" ? Two of them beat out the title matches for the main event spot! The Rock laid down for Goldberg and helped make Randy Orton a star. He didn't walk out after winning a big match or play politics his entire career and finally decide the WWF wasn't "big enough" for him. He stopped wrestling regularly 4 years ago, come to terms with it. He doesn't owe the WWE for his fame, it brought both parties money. The Rock laid down for guys when told (in fact, he was pinned in three conscutive Wrestlemania main events), he was one of the least political main eventers the WWE has ever seen, he drew in crowds, and he was the second leader in the Attitude Era, becoming the third biggest money-drawer in wrestling history. Sounds like he did a lot for the WWE to me. Who says you have to stay connected with wrestling after you retire? Doesn't that defy the entire reasoning behind retiring from it? He's making movies, thats his job. If you worked at McDonalds, then switched over to a Burger King, do you owe the McDonalds anything? Of course not.
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Post by The Boondock Syxx on Dec 12, 2007 22:02:12 GMT -5
remember rocks stupid promo saying austin took the ball and went home a couple years back? yah well who still makes appearances.
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Post by y2jplan on Dec 12, 2007 22:26:04 GMT -5
Yeah now yall hate the rock but when you see him on WWE again you mark out like little bitches and then all of a suuden like him right?
similar to hogan when yall hated him then all of a sudden you like him when you see him
internet marks these days......never learn
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Post by Fury on Dec 12, 2007 23:28:29 GMT -5
If anyone who's been discussed in this topic sold out it was Hulk Hogan going to WCW. What The Rock did is not selling out.
And anyone saying The Rock shouldn't be in the HOF is just moronic. Really he was definantely in the top 3 draws behind Austin & Hogan. Sure I'll give you that he may of been number 2 behind Austin in terms of that but when Austin was out for over a year, who was the one who carried the company, drew in the ratings The Rock. The fact that he is one of the most selfless performers making everyone look good even when he wins, he's one of the few who can do that. He is one of the best all round performers in the business and is THE NUMBER 1 guy in terms of charisma and working a mic ever, there isn't even anyone else even close. The Rock gave as much to wrestling to as he recieved, which is probably more than I can say for Hogan. It's not like he said F-U to the WWE, which again is more than I can say for Hogan. He just chose a different career choice.
The amount he contributed to the WWE, the ratings he brought in, merchandise he sold, the way he could carry the company, the fact that he was number 1 on the mic, the fanbase he had. All deserve for him to be in the HOF.
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Dec 13, 2007 0:08:49 GMT -5
lol, "Rock Sold out".. Kinda like how you guys are gonna sell out when you get offered 50 cents more per hour at Burger King than you are making at your minimum wage Wendys job? Give me a break, the Rock did what anyone would have done. He doesn't owe the "wrestling community" anything, the only people he owes anything to are himself and his family, and did what was best for them. But you still stop by Wendy's every so often to say hi to your friends. No one expects you to get behind the grill and make a burger, but it's still nice to see you every once in a while.
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Post by Stevo on Dec 13, 2007 0:26:27 GMT -5
lol, "Rock Sold out".. Kinda like how you guys are gonna sell out when you get offered 50 cents more per hour at Burger King than you are making at your minimum wage Wendys job? Give me a break, the Rock did what anyone would have done. He doesn't owe the "wrestling community" anything, the only people he owes anything to are himself and his family, and did what was best for them. But you still stop by Wendy's every so often to say hi to your friends. No one expects you to get behind the grill and make a burger, but it's still nice to see you every once in a while. Holy crap, there's another burger-joint reference in this thread? And I thought I was being original when I compared McDonalds to Burger King!
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Post by carly1988 on Dec 13, 2007 6:04:22 GMT -5
If anyone who's been discussed in this topic sold out it was Hulk Hogan going to WCW. What The Rock did is not selling out. And anyone saying The Rock shouldn't be in the HOF is just moronic. Really he was definantely in the top 3 draws behind Austin & Hogan. Sure I'll give you that he may of been number 2 behind Austin in terms of that but when Austin was out for over a year, who was the one who carried the company, drew in the ratings The Rock. The fact that he is one of the most selfless performers making everyone look good even when he wins, he's one of the few who can do that. He is one of the best all round performers in the business and is THE NUMBER 1 guy in terms of charisma and working a mic ever, there isn't even anyone else even close. The Rock gave as much to wrestling to as he recieved, which is probably more than I can say for Hogan. It's not like he said F-U to the WWE, which again is more than I can say for Hogan. He just chose a different career choice. The amount he contributed to the WWE, the ratings he brought in, merchandise he sold, the way he could carry the company, the fact that he was number 1 on the mic, the fanbase he had. All deserve for him to be in the HOF. How did Hogan sell out? Vince said "hey hulk, we're done with you. We dont want you carrying the company anymore. Hulkamania has run its course" So he left. If Hogan would have just up and left say in 92 when Flair and Sid left then yea i would say he sold out, but it was Vince that said he was done with Hulk
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Post by Villa on Dec 13, 2007 7:09:33 GMT -5
I would of loved It if the Rock Returned, My Favorite wrestler Ever!
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