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Post by Barrett on Jan 31, 2008 23:12:30 GMT -5
It was a cool episode. Not great. But much better than last year's season premiere. I've never really been all that fond of Hurley centric episodes, so maybe that's why I didn't love it as much as I'm wanting to. Loved the scene with Charlie visiting him, though. That and the moment where he expressed his regret for siding with Locke. I love that foreshadowing just like I loved it when they did the same sort of thing at the end of last season. And I love the fact that for the first time since the first season, we have no clue what to expect from the show. Can't wait to see the rest of the season play out.
Oh, and by the way, I'm one of the Oceanic Six.
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Post by oozingmachismo on Feb 1, 2008 9:34:25 GMT -5
I liked last night's episode alot. Seeing Charlie was nice! And it looks like everyone who leaves the island will eventually feel the need to go back. Here's what I think: Locke's right, Jack's wrong. The freigher people are bad, bad guys, not there to save anyone, and eventually will provide anyone left on the island with some terrible fate. Eventually, Jack will find some way off the island in a boat, whether he steals the freighter itself, or another smaller boat on the freighter, or maybe even Desmond's sailboat. He realizes he can't take everyone, since he thinks too many people will blow his cover, or maybe there's just not enough room on whatever boat he has. He also has to choose who to take, knowing that he's gonna leave lots of people behind. Eventually, he chooses Kate, Hurley, and Sawyer, mainly because they're the only other ones who know how to get off the island by boat. They were the only other ones with him in the season 2 finale when Ben gave Michael instructions of how to pilot that boat off the island - 35 degrees bearing northwest, or some such mumbo jumbo. If he takes them, no one else can get off the island and eventually find him in the real world and kill him, or blow his cover or anything. I think that's the "lying" that he refers to being sick of when he meets Kate near the airport, and what he's worried Hurley will tell someone. I think they're saying that they're the only survivors when they know that there are other people still on the island as captives for the freighter people. Hurley's conscience in the form of Charlie tells him that he has a responsibility to the friends he left behind, and, eventually, Jack realizes that he has to live with being responsible for screwing everyone by trusting the freighter people. I think his weakness will become his obsession to get off the island. Not to mention he'd have the memory of pulling a trigger in Locke's face, who DID have the right ideas and the best of intentions all along. I also think Kate is with Sawyer, and they both adopt the attitude of "Screw it, we left, it's over." Kate may come back to the light side not too long after the airport meeting with Jack, with Sawyer possibly pulling a Han Solo at the very last moment. Oh, and the Oceanic Six: Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Michael, and Walt. The only thing that gets me is Hurley's apology. He seems to be saying, "You were right all along. I'm sorry I doubted you, buddy. I should've stuck with you from the start." I can't figure that one out.
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Post by bowlofpetunias on Feb 1, 2008 12:52:39 GMT -5
I like your theory but I think you're wrong about the Oceanic Six. You have to think, who was in the casket? Whoever it was is someone who, at least, Kate didn't care for at all. No one did, except for Jack. Could one of the others made it on the boat posing as someone else? Juliette has wanted off the island, did she make up one of the Six? Is she in the casket?
So many questions!
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Post by oozingmachismo on Feb 1, 2008 13:20:35 GMT -5
Yeah, dude, the casket is a sticking point. Originally, I figured it was either Locke or Ben - neither wanting anyone to get off the island, which is reason enough for Kate to not want anything to do with the wake. With my guess for the Oceanic 6, though, I'm not so sure it's either of them anymore. My best guess now is Michael, probably. The whole black neighborhood thing, plus Kate has good reason to hate him after selling them out and killing Ana Lucia and Libby.
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Post by Side Effect on Feb 1, 2008 17:19:21 GMT -5
Yeah, dude, the casket is a sticking point. Originally, I figured it was either Locke or Ben - neither wanting anyone to get off the island, which is reason enough for Kate to not want anything to do with the wake. With my guess for the Oceanic 6, though, I'm not so sure it's either of them anymore. My best guess now is Michael, probably. The whole black neighborhood thing, plus Kate has good reason to hate him after selling them out and killing Ana Lucia and Libby. Yea, good point, but wouldn't Walt at least go to his funeral? Jack was the only one to show up.
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Post by v/\v on Feb 1, 2008 20:29:34 GMT -5
I've seen the Episode, i thought it was a fantastic start to a fantastic season in store, I found the Hurley/Charlie's death scenes to be brilliant, and I loved the way Kate gave Sawyer a slight look before asking him what he was doing. Epic. Also that Abbadon guy is creepy as .
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Post by theanimalisback on Feb 2, 2008 14:22:29 GMT -5
Updated with Review! By the way, what happened to the two-hour premiere event.. It was only one hour....
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Post by Barrett on Feb 2, 2008 15:13:53 GMT -5
Updated with Review! By the way, what happened to the two-hour premiere event.. It was only one hour.... The first hour was just a recap episode.
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Post by Barrett on Feb 7, 2008 22:27:20 GMT -5
Anyone else thinking the "man on their boat" is Michael?
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Post by showstoppa3209 on Feb 8, 2008 10:50:40 GMT -5
Anyone else thinking the "man on their boat" is Michael? i gotta agree with you on that, michael being the "man on their boat" makes a lot of sense
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Post by theanimalisback on Feb 8, 2008 10:53:02 GMT -5
Yeah, I think you may be right with Michael.
I will do my review on last night's episode alittle later. All reviews from Confirmed Dead are welcome.
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Post by v/\v on Feb 8, 2008 11:51:16 GMT -5
That episode was better than the first, amazing, Dan & Miles are now two of my favourite characters in the show. Man on boat Michael? I have doubts with that tbh, how is having Michael on the boat be to Ben's advantage?
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Post by Goldust on Feb 8, 2008 14:47:26 GMT -5
Did anyone else love seeing Jeff Fahey on Lost?
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Post by GreatJunta36 on Feb 8, 2008 15:20:35 GMT -5
last night's episode was STELLAR... sooooo confusing too but that's what I loved about the 1st 2 seasons of LOST. No bullsh*t, only pure unconcentrated LOST badassity
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Post by Blehschmidt on Feb 8, 2008 23:37:00 GMT -5
I'm a little worried for Hurley after seeing the look on the faces of Ben and Locke after he mentioned Jacob's Cabin......
Awesome Episode!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2008 23:47:31 GMT -5
Did anyone else love seeing Jeff Fahey on Lost? I should watch it since he ruled in Grindhouse. So these are the new people, right?: Jeremy Davies is the man. And the asian guy was in Saw with Lost's "Ben."
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Post by Mole on Feb 9, 2008 8:42:31 GMT -5
The asian guy was also one of the main bad guys in Rush Hour and had a more minor role in X-Men 3.
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Post by J12 on Feb 9, 2008 11:41:52 GMT -5
Alright, so I've developed a little theory that I'm sticking to for the time being, I'm sure that plenty of others have thought of it this way, and something tells me that it isn't the answer, but it helps me put things into prospective.
I am still under the impression that the island that the survivors are on is a government owned and controlled breeding ground, and that the Dharma initiative was a top secret branch of the government and or/military.
The government put Dharma there to research..something, and in the hopes that they could live and coexist and create a new environment for people to inhabit if ever things in the United States got too bad, they could move pieces of the population to these remote islands. In a way, testing the theory of creating civilizations in space once it has been deemed safe.
The government, however, was also aware and responsible for the island's otherhabitants - The Others. The government provides these "savages" with all the information and tools necessary to take out the Dharma Initiative if they overstep their boundaries, again, simulating an effort in space as though the others are aliens. After The Others murder all of the Dharma Initiative, the government refuses to give up hope on the island but cannot go public with attempting to bring another crew to do "research", seeing as the others have all gone missing.
They instead decide to stage an airplane crash on the island - they carefully pick out the plane to crash, filled with passengers of different backgrounds, lifestyles, professions, in the hopes that they can create their own mini civilization.
The government arranges for the plane to crash on this island, and subsequently places a fake aircraft in the ocean, lined with bodies to appear as though it's Oceanic Flight 815. The government has payed off Oceanic Airlines to go along with the plan, and later clears their name of fault so that they can continue to fly airlines with American's trust.
As far as the bodies in the fake plane, any recently deceased criminal could have been used. The government paid little attention to physical detail, as they assumed that the plane wouldn't be found, at least until the bodies had fully decayed and identification could be deemed impossible.
Now, the government had hoped the passengers would live on the island and accept their fate as castaways, but then learn that they're willing to do anything to get home - even risk the life of one of their own (Charlie) to reach the outside world. Fearing that the 815'ers will make contact with the outside world and the government's project will be revealed, they send a team of specialists to be the first to intercept the signal ommitted.
The team now has specific instructions - rid the island of life entirely, starting with the leader of the Others, Ben, who has failed to prevent the passengers from staying on the island, and then the 815'ers, who will spill the truth if they find a way home.
Of course, we know that that won't happen, and some in fact do make it home. Obviously my theory has plenty of loopholes, and I highly doubt it's even close to being correct, but like I said, it helps me bridge some gaps and I thought it was a pretty cool idea.
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