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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Nov 13, 2007 12:20:10 GMT -5
Give them time...riiiiight.
WCW was 8 years old when they finally stepped up and began posing a threat. They lived to be 13.
He who hesitates is lost.
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Post by kanekilledvince on Nov 13, 2007 14:55:12 GMT -5
As someone who doesn't watch much TNA (For the reasons stated by others in this thread already) and who is a fanatic of WWE.. I'll give my brutally honest opinion of TNA:
TNA Will never, ever succeed.
End of story.
When TNA are washed up and some other company steps up, lets say ROH, just for the sake of it, i will then say:
ROH Will never, ever succeed.
Then, when ROH is washed up and I-SUCK or whatever other companies steps up next comes around, i'll say:
I-SUCK Will never, ever succeed.
The reason?
They are competing with WWE.
Remember these words:
WWE WILL NEVER, EVER CLOSE DOWN, FOLD UP, GO BANKRUPT OR WHATEVER OTHER TERM YOU WANT TO USE.
WWE had legit competition with WCW and ECW. yet, they wiped both off the face of the earth. No wrestling company will ever be able to touch WWE.
Look at WWE's history. WWE's present-day life may be weak with smaller ratings and what have you, but it will boom again. Come Royal Rumble, WWE will be laughing.
It also seems to me that every other company seems to take WWE's ideas and re-use them or slightly alter them. It clearly doesn't work.
Kurt Angle is the only thing worth watching in TNA right now. I don't care what people say about Joe or anyone else. They don't have "it". Kurt Angle should be giving training seminars to TNA wrestlers. He is without a doubt the single greatest wrestler to ever enter a TNA ring.
However.. that said. look at the circumstances in which he was signed by TNA. WWE released him because they deemed him as unfit to perform. Kurt, as amazing as he is, is a wreck. It doesn't show that much, but he still has problems.
On a different note. Has anyone else seen those TNA fans that haunt youtube with their anti-WWE videos? Bill and Ted or something? Anyone who is familiar with those two idiots, they are also part of the reason i would be embarrassed to say I'm a TNA fan. They make TNA fans look like brainwashed retards.
Just my thoughts
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Post by ljs on Nov 13, 2007 15:14:52 GMT -5
On a different note. Has anyone else seen those TNA fans that haunt youtube with their anti-WWE videos? Bill and Ted or something? Anyone who is familiar with those two idiots, they are also part of the reason i would be embarrassed to say I'm a TNA fan. They make TNA fans look like brainwashed retards. Just my thoughts You sound like a brainwashed WWE fan. N one will ever have success? WcW wiped WWE arse's for I think it was well over a year. If TNA look at what WcW did in the span where they wooped WWE and keep it. Looks like you'll be a biased fan with no promotion to stand by. |
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Post by Cammi Oh on Nov 13, 2007 22:44:09 GMT -5
I like TNA.
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Post by Cammi Oh on Nov 13, 2007 22:50:24 GMT -5
KKV... WWE will someday falter... Vince is an OLD man and Steph knows not what she does.
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Post by kanekilledvince on Nov 13, 2007 23:52:16 GMT -5
On a different note. Has anyone else seen those TNA fans that haunt youtube with their anti-WWE videos? Bill and Ted or something? Anyone who is familiar with those two idiots, they are also part of the reason i would be embarrassed to say I'm a TNA fan. They make TNA fans look like brainwashed retards. Just my thoughts You sound like a brainwashed WWE fan. N one will ever have success? WcW wiped WWE arse's for I think it was well over a year. If TNA look at what WcW did in the span where they wooped WWE and keep it. Looks like you'll be a biased fan with no promotion to stand by. Yeah you're right. I was actually just watching Nitro on TV last night and I.. Wait.. hang on.. WCW doesn't exist any more. You got me there alright! I walked into that.. how stupid do i feel right now.. As for your comment about me being a brainwashed WWE fan... I'm not brainwashed.. I'm just a fan who doesn't feel the need to insult others and can put up a good argument with logical and reasonable examples and instances. Why do people always compare TNA to WCW? Well.. in a few years they'll both have something hugely significant in common. KKV... WWE will someday falter... Vince is an OLD man and Steph knows not what she does. When Vince is gone, the company will be in a bad way for a few weeks, maybe months, because Shane and Steph won't work together. But whatever problems they have, WWE will not close up. The only way WWE will go away is if the McMahon family actually release all of its performers and close its doors. You guys have to remember.. we're an internet audience. 70% of People grow out of wrestling after they hit about 14 or 15. Kids make up the majority and they will watch WWE forever, and they will follow WWE forever. Kurt Angle could have the greatest match of his career with Samoa Joe, but its not Cena battling the odds, so no kid gives a crap. TNA have been around for more than long enough to have been able to make a huge dent in WWE's armour. I don't care what people say about WCW taking 5 or 6 years to do anything significant. WCW didnt have the internet capabilities that TNA has. There are more people using the internet now than ever before. TNA should be well over by now, but they just don't have it. Don't get me wrong, I could be wrong. Never say never in wrestling. But I am 99.99999999% sure that WWE will never, ever move from the spot of number one wrestling promotion in the world. 2007 is a great candidate for the worst year in WWE history.. yet TNA are still not getting any bigger. From Jan. 1st 2007 til Dec. 31st 2007, TNA should have made themselves an enormous threat to WWE. WWE is back on its way up again. Rumble, Mania... this is peak season for WWE. TNA need to get their act together or just forget about it. |
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Post by Hollywood Asia on Nov 14, 2007 0:40:47 GMT -5
TNA is nowhere near the program WCW was when it was good. Its WCW toward the end when it made no sense and people like us on forums can book shows with a shred of common sense.
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Post by newfrigginshow on Nov 15, 2007 11:59:54 GMT -5
It all comes down to money. WWE has it and TNA does not. They are barely surviving and barely turning a profit. Until they get some major major backing (like Ted Turner type) they'll never be able to catch up because wwe has been making money for so long. They have such a cushion and can afford to make errors. Tna can not afford to make errors. It certainly could happen at some point, but not until TNA either A. gets massive ratings somehow which translates into more money, B. get a serious financial backer with tons of money to bring them closer to competing.
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Post by deskjet on Nov 15, 2007 12:37:36 GMT -5
As someone who doesn't watch much TNA (For the reasons stated by others in this thread already) and who is a fanatic of WWE.. I'll give my brutally honest opinion of TNA: TNA Will never, ever succeed. End of story. When TNA are washed up and some other company steps up, lets say ROH, just for the sake of it, i will then say: ROH Will never, ever succeed. Then, when ROH is washed up and I-SUCK or whatever other companies steps up next comes around, i'll say: I-SUCK Will never, ever succeed. The reason? They are competing with WWE. Remember these words: WWE WILL NEVER, EVER CLOSE DOWN, FOLD UP, GO BANKRUPT OR WHATEVER OTHER TERM YOU WANT TO USE.WWE had legit competition with WCW and ECW. yet, they wiped both off the face of the earth. No wrestling company will ever be able to touch WWE. Look at WWE's history. WWE's present-day life may be weak with smaller ratings and what have you, but it will boom again. Come Royal Rumble, WWE will be laughing. It also seems to me that every other company seems to take WWE's ideas and re-use them or slightly alter them. It clearly doesn't work. Kurt Angle is the only thing worth watching in TNA right now. I don't care what people say about Joe or anyone else. They don't have "it". Kurt Angle should be giving training seminars to TNA wrestlers. He is without a doubt the single greatest wrestler to ever enter a TNA ring. However.. that said. look at the circumstances in which he was signed by TNA. WWE released him because they deemed him as unfit to perform. Kurt, as amazing as he is, is a wreck. It doesn't show that much, but he still has problems. On a different note. Has anyone else seen those TNA fans that haunt youtube with their anti-WWE videos? Bill and Ted or something? Anyone who is familiar with those two idiots, they are also part of the reason i would be embarrassed to say I'm a TNA fan. They make TNA fans look like brainwashed retards. Just my thoughts you come across more as a mark for wwe rahter than someone who has points that support your argument. If you are a mark for WWe, that's fine, but dont use the excuse that they are a great company and will never go down because of what they did to other companies. Do you realize that WWE was nearly bankrupt in the time period in which WCW was dominateing. If it want for WCW's piss poor management, WWE coulda very well folded. Vince MCmahon, did notheing to right that ship on its own, it was pure fortune. Consequently, TNA wont succeed because they are mirroring the same things that drove WCW into the ground, so yea, they wont overtake WWE...not because WWE is that much better, but because TNA is just that much worse. Just my take |
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Post by deskjet on Nov 15, 2007 13:10:08 GMT -5
It all comes down to money. WWE has it and TNA does not. They are barely surviving and barely turning a profit. Until they get some major major backing (like Ted Turner type) they'll never be able to catch up because wwe has been making money for so long. They have such a cushion and can afford to make errors. Tna can not afford to make errors. It certainly could happen at some point, but not until TNA either A. gets massive ratings somehow which translates into more money, B. get a serious financial backer with tons of money to bring them closer to competing. Dont' kid yourself, TNA has money. Perhaps not as much as WWE, but they have it. The diffeence is in how you use it. When you spend inflated amounts of cash on time appearances or to bring in wrestlers that can no longer add to the company or the business for that matter, then you're not using your money effectively. The money you give to team 3d, steiner brothers...you guy out and get yourselves Cryme tyme and perhaps an up and coming indy tag team. The money you throw at Sting, VKM, Hall...you can invest in luring in a guy like RVD, or Brock Lesnar, or coulda gotten Jericho. TNA keeps hoping the shock value will kick in, but after awhile, it loses its effect. I'm sure there's some logistics I'm missing in this but, bootom line is, TNA is not using their money wisely, in my opinion...hey what's Bischoff or Heyman doing? |
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Post by elviswashere2006 on Nov 15, 2007 13:13:15 GMT -5
You sound like a brainwashed WWE fan. N one will ever have success? WcW wiped WWE arse's for I think it was well over a year. If TNA look at what WcW did in the span where they wooped WWE and keep it. Looks like you'll be a biased fan with no promotion to stand by. Yeah you're right. I was actually just watching Nitro on TV last night and I.. Wait.. hang on.. WCW doesn't exist any more. You got me there alright! I walked into that.. how stupid do i feel right now.. As for your comment about me being a brainwashed WWE fan... I'm not brainwashed.. I'm just a fan who doesn't feel the need to insult others and can put up a good argument with logical and reasonable examples and instances. Why do people always compare TNA to WCW? Well.. in a few years they'll both have something hugely significant in common. KKV... WWE will someday falter... Vince is an OLD man and Steph knows not what she does. When Vince is gone, the company will be in a bad way for a few weeks, maybe months, because Shane and Steph won't work together. But whatever problems they have, WWE will not close up. The only way WWE will go away is if the McMahon family actually release all of its performers and close its doors. You guys have to remember.. we're an internet audience. 70% of People grow out of wrestling after they hit about 14 or 15. Kids make up the majority and they will watch WWE forever, and they will follow WWE forever. Kurt Angle could have the greatest match of his career with Samoa Joe, but its not Cena battling the odds, so no kid gives a crap. TNA have been around for more than long enough to have been able to make a huge dent in WWE's armour. I don't care what people say about WCW taking 5 or 6 years to do anything significant. WCW didnt have the internet capabilities that TNA has. There are more people using the internet now than ever before. TNA should be well over by now, but they just don't have it. Don't get me wrong, I could be wrong. Never say never in wrestling. But I am 99.99999999% sure that WWE will never, ever move from the spot of number one wrestling promotion in the world. 2007 is a great candidate for the worst year in WWE history.. yet TNA are still not getting any bigger. From Jan. 1st 2007 til Dec. 31st 2007, TNA should have made themselves an enormous threat to WWE. WWE is back on its way up again. Rumble, Mania... this is peak season for WWE. TNA need to get their act together or just forget about it. actually you make some interesting points. but i need to add some flavor First of all, People need to step away from the Heyman Coolaid. Heyman had Todd Gordon in ECW. they BOTH made the company popular. but then again. at the time nobody really outside of FMW knew Hardcore Wrestling. by the time Gordon was found out to be the Mole behind WCW buying most of ECW's Talent. ECW was on a downward spiral. The last two years was when ECW was at its worst. come on RHINO as Champion?. Heyman has great ideas....but like Russo he needs someone to answer to. He booked smackdown and ECW for the WWE and before you say Vince was to blame. Fans didnt connect with the new ECW or Smackdown while he was booking it. I mean come on, he was behind the storyline of Tajiri blinding Nidia. also. what a lot of people forget The WCW/WWE war became a fad a Bandwagon. there were fans who didnt even watch either program walking around with NWO and DX Shirts. once the war ended.....The Bandwagon stopped. which is why the WWE will never EVER again achieve the Ratings it did in 97. and with that said. Fans need to stop living in the past. WWE will never be the WWF as it was ten years ago. TNA will never reach the level of WCW as it was Ten years ago Tna needs to focus more on new ideas and stop re-hatching old storylines. IE Macho Man and Elizabeth. and I really Hope they are not going with the reason Booker Hates Kurt because of the WWE Storyline involving the two over sharmell TNA needs new ideas make Wrestling more intense and more real. that will put butts in seats |
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Post by deskjet on Nov 15, 2007 14:20:38 GMT -5
I wont keep beating a dead horse, but thats right. They needsome creativity. Look, I thought this company was more creative when they had one hour than two. With two hours we get filler crap. Like I said, I'm a give this company another stab tonight to see if I can peek my interest again.
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Post by therealjswo on Nov 15, 2007 20:47:24 GMT -5
To the kid who thinks ROH is trying to compete with WWE I suggest he acquires knowledge before he makes such an absurd statement. ROH is trying to continue to grow financially and in terms of marketability. I don't see them going out and having national tv or signing Hulk Hogan. Please if you choose to speak on something like that try and have some intelligence behind it.
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Post by kanekilledvince on Nov 16, 2007 4:56:18 GMT -5
To the kid who thinks ROH is trying to compete with WWE I suggest he acquires knowledge before he makes such an absurd statement. I think you're talking about me. I'm not sure though. I mentioned ROH earlier, but i said i was using their name "Just for the sake of it" because it just came into my head. Well I'm not gonna make another long post. You all know how i feel about TNA, and I don't like being called a "brainwashed WWE fan". Especially not when its coming from people who can't see TNA's crystal clear future. Their next PPV should be called "Going Down Hard". |
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Post by Too Sweet on Nov 16, 2007 6:11:20 GMT -5
KKV your the biggest Douche on WF.
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Post by Doctor Colossus on Nov 18, 2007 1:32:06 GMT -5
Heyman is still under contract to WWE. They wont allow him to go to TNA so they continue to pay him not to. Monty Brown was a marginal worker who barely wanted to wrestle. He complained a lot backstage and never even wanted to wrestle. The booking under D'Amore was always better. Everything after BFG 06 has sucked.
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Post by specterkev on Nov 18, 2007 5:08:28 GMT -5
he makes me laugh!
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Post by kanekilledvince on Nov 18, 2007 16:18:07 GMT -5
KKV your the biggest Douche on WF. Well that is a compelling argument. But hey. Of course I am. I'm telling you guys the honest truth and you just don't like what that truth is. Well.. I don't care. I'm right. I know I am right. I have given logical reasons why TNA is a waste of money, and not one person has argued with me. Why? Simply put: Because they can't. The only person who made a decent point that i haven't acknowledged until now is "newfrigginshow" when he said: Well TNA have a billion dollar company backing them in the form of Panda Energy. TNA have cost them a fortune. You may all love TNA. We'd all love to say TNA was the little promotion that will grow big and will over take WWE. Unfortunately, some dreams don't come true. TNA wont be The little engine that could. A few years from now, TNA will simply be a distant memory. To quote Sean O Haire: I'm not telling you anything you don't already know. |
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Post by alessicustoms2 on Nov 18, 2007 17:43:38 GMT -5
KKV your the biggest Douche on WF. Well that is a compelling argument. But hey. Of course I am. I'm telling you guys the honest truth and you just don't like what that truth is. Well.. I don't care. I'm right. I know I am right. I have given logical reasons why TNA is a waste of money, and not one person has argued with me. Why? Simply put: Because they can't. The only person who made a decent point that i haven't acknowledged until now is "newfrigginshow" when he said: Well TNA have a billion dollar company backing them in the form of Panda Energy. TNA have cost them a fortune. You may all love TNA. We'd all love to say TNA was the little promotion that will grow big and will over take WWE. Unfortunately, some dreams don't come true. TNA wont be The little engine that could. A few years from now, TNA will simply be a distant memory. To quote Sean O Haire: I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.Wow aren't you a bad ass listen up buddy the money situation may be true but Panda Energy has plenty of money and if I'm correct they never have gave notice or really complained about TNA and the money they have lost cause of TNA , but seeing as you love to defend WWE so much let me ask this why is it more and more fans have stopped watching WWE and are now into Ring Of Honor and TNA , yet the same brainwashed children of today still buy all the merchandise and watch WWE like its a religion, I'm really just trying to state that even if WWE will be around for another 20 yrs or so they are losing fans to companies such as Ring Of Honor and TNA because alot of fans are fed up with Vince McMahon's s*** so I'm sure in the future WWE will still be as big but not as profitable as now. Waits For people to call me a Mark |
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Post by bowlofpetunias on Nov 18, 2007 18:49:36 GMT -5
Also they have dropped two bigs balls Goodnight, everybody!  Heyman is still under contract to WWE. They wont allow him to go to TNA so they continue to pay him not to. That's not true, at all. |
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