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Post by Crimson Arrow on Aug 6, 2006 4:49:16 GMT -5
FP is cheaper if you preorder 3 months in advance. Thanks for the site though, if I every forgot to order an issue that'll be the place I use now.
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Post by cosmicspidey on Aug 6, 2006 13:38:46 GMT -5
I think he means like back in the 60's when Stan had the books Spider-Man was hated by the public, the X-Men were hated by the people they were trying to save, The Hulk was misunderstood by almost everyone. I get what your saying about only needing Civil War. Iron Man does come off like a tool in that book and most of the tie ins. But those characters were meant to be that way. NOT Captain America. Not Falcon. or Luke Cage. Some of these people are symbols of AMerica and freedom and all that god wholesome American stuff. ****, if thats the case and the people should welcome pro-reggers, then they'll "accept" Deadpool? Again, there is fault in Joey Q's logic. It's really just the government captitalizing off of the traumatic experience in Stamford that's making people fear superheroes again. You have to keep in mind that it hasn't been 6 months since Stamford haoppened Marvel time (which is how long we've known about it). It's only been a week or two. People are still really freaked out by what happened in Stamford. I hate to make this analogy, because it trivializes actual events, but it's like after 9/11 when the government used the fear and feeling of uncertainty surrounding the attacks to push the Patriot Act through so quickly. And folks in the Marvel U have a lot more to be afraid of, because with thousands of superhumans walking around, there's a much larger chance of Stamford happening again than 9/11 happening again. Of course, for every Stamford that's happened in the Marvel U, there's been dozens, if not hundreds of Galactuses, Hydras, Korvacs, Thanoses, etc. Putting it in persepctive, isn't a few hundred lives in Stamford or wherever every few years worth having the world, nay the universe, saved hundreds upon hundreds of times?
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Post by J Sylar on Aug 6, 2006 14:03:41 GMT -5
Exactly. Thats where my arguement with friends about this has been. There's been MANY "Earth-Shattering" events in the Marvel U that rank Stamford far below it. Perhaps its due to events of House of M and Avengers:Disassembled that lets this event flow better into hero registration, but to look back at the history of the Marvel U makes the importance of this one event seem blown utterly out of proportion.
Which may be the point, but still...
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Aug 6, 2006 21:28:57 GMT -5
I guess you could look at it from the perspective of the heroic involvement in what literally spearheaded the incident. When Galactus decides he's hungry, the Fantastic Four weren't there inviting him to Earth for dinner. Bottom line - sure, they're criminals on the run, each of them with their own records, but until Speedball and his crew came along, not necessarily looking to save the day so much as top the ratings, the worst thing these particular villains in Stamford were doing was tossing out some leftovers that could have probably fed a few homeless over in NYC.
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Post by cosmicspidey on Aug 7, 2006 14:25:23 GMT -5
But then shouldn't people be really pissed off with the networks instead of superheroes? If no one was airing a New Warriors reality show, then Stamford wouldn't have happened. Besides, there are hundreds of villains that exist simply because there is a superhero they hate. Venom and Carnage are direct results of actions Spider-Man took, and they've probably killed more peopl than died in Stamford. Dr. Doom wouldn't try to dominate the world were it not for Reed Richards and the Fantastic Four. Red Skull would not still be alive without Captain America. Abomination would not exist had the Hulk never existed. To single out this one incident in Stamford as the first instance of a superhero directly influencing the deaths of many, many innocent lives is abitrary. It's happened before, it'll happen again, it's been worse and it will be worse.
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Post by Crimson Arrow on Aug 7, 2006 14:31:38 GMT -5
But then shouldn't people be really pissed off with the networks instead of superheroes? If no one was airing a New Warriors reality show, then Stamford wouldn't have happened. Besides, there are hundreds of villains that exist simply because there is a superhero they hate. Venom and Carnage are direct results of actions Spider-Man took, and they've probably killed more peopl than died in Stamford. Dr. Doom wouldn't try to dominate the world were it not for Reed Richards and the Fantastic Four. Red Skull would not still be alive without Captain America. Abomination would not exist had the Hulk never existed. To single out this one incident in Stamford as the first instance of a superhero directly influencing the deaths of many, many innocent lives is abitrary. It's happened before, it'll happen again, it's been worse and it will be worse. It's much easier to hate the faces you see on the TV, than the people behind the scenes who put them there. It doesn't make sense but except for destorying an entire nation not much would of made sense... even that has been done before in the X-Titles.
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Post by J Sylar on Aug 8, 2006 22:24:58 GMT -5
Again why I enjoyed Emma's shut down of Tony in CW. Remember Genosha, Marvel!
Oh wait...they brushed all that under the rug once Claremont came back...from the early 80s apparently. Continuity? Yes. Actual character growth? Not so much.
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Post by Billy on Aug 9, 2006 4:00:10 GMT -5
whats with this rumor that Tony can detonate Nitro at will via his new armor? where did that start?
If its true, oh boooy.
The MGH in wolverine explains how he could detonate so large.
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Post by Crimson Arrow on Aug 9, 2006 13:40:30 GMT -5
whats with this rumor that Tony can detonate Nitro at will via his new armor? where did that start? If its true, oh boooy. The MGH in wolverine explains how he could detonate so large. It's not a rumour. It happened in a comic years ago. Joe Q was asked about it and he said it had nothing to do with the story... but with Joe who knows if he's telling the truth or not. I forget the issue but Wikipedia says this:
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Post by J Sylar on Aug 9, 2006 21:35:57 GMT -5
Is ANYONE beyond me thinking Tony somehow helped Nitro here?
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Post by Billy on Aug 10, 2006 8:05:40 GMT -5
whats with this rumor that Tony can detonate Nitro at will via his new armor? where did that start? If its true, oh boooy. The MGH in wolverine explains how he could detonate so large. It's not a rumour. It happened in a comic years ago. Joe Q was asked about it and he said it had nothing to do with the story... but with Joe who knows if he's telling the truth or not. I forget the issue but Wikipedia says this: ah, thanks for that. Still, no series recently has captivated me the way civil war has, not even IC. I almost brushed CW off as a cheap IC knock off, but its really some of the best marvel work Ive ever read. Still, its one of the few comics today, that absolutely leaves me guessing, i actually have no idea whats going to happen next.
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Post by RAC on Aug 15, 2006 19:23:10 GMT -5
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Post by wrestleholic08 on Aug 15, 2006 19:36:20 GMT -5
So Civil War #4 isn't out until mid September? Well, it'll get me a chance to catch up on Action and Superman.
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Post by T R W on Aug 15, 2006 20:27:32 GMT -5
I heard they delayed CW4 to let the other comics catch up with it.
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Post by J Sylar on Aug 15, 2006 22:34:09 GMT -5
Well, even IC had to slip some to stay on track. Not THIS much, but whatever.
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Post by RAC on Aug 15, 2006 22:53:30 GMT -5
I thought it had to do with Millar's Crohn's disease, like others thought on fwoosh, but it's not.
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Post by T R W on Aug 16, 2006 11:48:53 GMT -5
Oh. I think I prefer the other reason.
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Post by Crimson Arrow on Aug 16, 2006 14:23:11 GMT -5
TRW, it has something to with Millar's Crohn's disease. Nah, McNiven announced today that it was due to his artwork but he wasn't given sufficent lead time by Marvel to keep up with a montly schedule. forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?p=2349554#post2349554Miller is pretty much done now except for finishing touches as in starting to research his next project.
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Post by cosmicspidey on Aug 16, 2006 18:22:08 GMT -5
Nah, McNiven announced today that it was due to his artwork but he wasn't given sufficent lead time by Marvel to keep up with a montly schedule. That's such a horrible excuse. Don't blame Marvel because you draw too slowly. If you want to make a living as a comic book artist, you should be able to put out more than 3 consecutive months of comics. That's the nature of the business, and only when you've made a name for yourself (which McNiven hasn't) should you be able to get away with anything less. Check out my blog! legionofdoom.cheeksofgod.com/
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Post by J Sylar on Aug 16, 2006 18:35:01 GMT -5
Nah, McNiven announced today that it was due to his artwork but he wasn't given sufficent lead time by Marvel to keep up with a montly schedule. That's such a horrible excuse. Don't blame Marvel because you draw too slowly. If you want to make a living as a comic book artist, you should be able to put out more than 3 consecutive months of comics. That's the nature of the business, and only when you've made a name for yourself (which McNiven hasn't) should you be able to get away with anything less. Check out my blog! legionofdoom.cheeksofgod.com/I completely agree. Artists (and writers) today are such whiney punks. How many issues did Korby do? Or John Romita? Kuberts? And sometimes they did more than one a month. Yeah, they had fill-ins and finishers, but they did a LOT more work than these bitches EVER have and got paid a hell of a lot less. I cant draw spit, so I have no idea how hard it may be, but if you cant do at least six or seven issues on time, you should just quit unless you have some REAL excuse.
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