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Post by ihavethepower on Apr 22, 2008 15:24:02 GMT -5
I watched most of RAW last night and I caught half of Punk's match with Hardy and then caught the complete matches that he had with Jericho and Regal.
While I didn't notice anything wrong with the Hardy match, I noticed something VERY WRONG with his Jericho match.
At one point, Jericho lifted Punk up for a suplex to drop him stomach first on the top rope. Well Jericho was so damn careless with the way he dropped punk, that Punk barely caught the rope with his upper thigh, then came crashing down on his head as a result. Even JR was taken aback by it and said aloud "well that was just ugly". I have to think this was deliberate because Jericho did the same move to MVP earlier and executed it fine. MVP outweighs Punk by about 25LBS. SO how could Jericho justify being able to control the weight of a heavier guy but not the lighter one? This is what makes me think it was deliberate. Then towards the finish of the match, when Jericho went for his lionsault, he did it so carelessly, that he landed foot first right on Punk's face, which Punk immediately grabbed. Was Jericho off or was he sending a message of sorts?
If the Jericho match was the only instance, I wouldn't even be typing this post, but then came the match with Regal. I know Regal likes to work stiff, but at points in the match, they looked to be shooting with each other. Regal kept refusing to cooperate with Punk's moves and cut him off with awkward grappling. So much so that JR had to try and cover by saying "these 2 have very contrasting styles". Then when Regal went for his finishing submission, it looked like Punk wouldn't feed him his arm. So Regal then drove the point on his elbow into the base of Punk's neck and began legitimately grinding it in until Punk fed him the arm. Now I am a master of the "worked shoot". However, those instances looked very legitimate to me last night.
Did anyone else see it and care to comment one way or another? Am I off? Am I on the money? Let's discuss.
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Post by dimshady on Apr 22, 2008 15:35:54 GMT -5
Il rewatch the Regal match, I saw the lionsault, and if you rewatch that, Jericho checks to see if hes ok b4 banging on the walls of jericho.
IMO tho, you may be reading too much into it, The sloppy suplex may be to do with lack of energy having already had a match, i dunno, i just dont think Jericho has heat with punk.
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Post by ihavethepower on Apr 22, 2008 15:39:05 GMT -5
Il rewatch the Regal match, I saw the lionsault, and if you rewatch that, Jericho checks to see if hes ok b4 banging on the walls of jericho. IMO tho, you may be reading too much into it, The sloppy suplex may be to do with lack of energy having already had a match, i dunno, i just dont think Jericho has heat with punk. Like I said. If it was just the Jericho match, I wouldn't have brought it up. However, Punk got manhandled in the Regal match as well. Back to back matches with people being reckless with their opponent? Something's off in that situation.
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Post by hurricane on Apr 22, 2008 15:41:24 GMT -5
You know it's a wrestling match right? Botches happen. People actually try to fight out of moves? They aren't supposed to make it obvious and say "here's my arm put in a submission move".
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Post by PhoeniX™: Valoween on Apr 22, 2008 15:42:02 GMT -5
I doubt a man like Jericho would take liberties on another wrestler. Read his book.
Granted when he was in Mexico or Japan, if an elder tried to man handle him, he'd stiff punch or kick them. I doubt he'd drop them like he did Punk. It was an accident.
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Post by Happy Pizza on Apr 22, 2008 15:44:14 GMT -5
...and Regal's just a stiff old timer. Just watch his WCW match against Goldberg. :X
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Post by ihavethepower on Apr 22, 2008 15:46:56 GMT -5
Let me put it this way.
When Regal did THE EXACT SAME STUFF in his match with Goldberg, all the Internet Smarks still to this day, say that Regal shot on Goldberg to make him look stupid. What was the extent of Regal's "shooting on Goldberg"? Cutting him off with awkward grappling, working stiff, and tying him up.
That is the exact same stuff that Regal did to Punk last night. When it follows a match where Punk gets abused by a guy like Jericho who is normally a safe worker, it raises an eyebrow.
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Post by @PaulGriffin on Apr 22, 2008 15:51:22 GMT -5
You're over analyzing things.
If Punk had any heat, he wouldnt have had 3 matches on RAW last night. It's just the way the matches happened. Punk was too far for the lionsault. Regal doesnt wrestle like the majority of the guys on the roster.
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Post by BcBlingin- Scooter Glenwood on Apr 22, 2008 15:55:09 GMT -5
You are crazy and looking into this situation wayyyyyyyyyyyy to much. This is how internet rumors start.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Apr 22, 2008 16:10:39 GMT -5
Then when Regal went for his finishing submission, it looked like Punk wouldn't feed him his arm. So Regal then drove the point on his elbow into the base of Punk's neck and began legitimately grinding it in until Punk fed him the arm. Now I am a master of the "worked shoot". However, those instances looked very legitimate to me last night. Did anyone else see it and care to comment one way or another? Am I off? Am I on the money? Let's discuss. Of course Punk wouldn't give up his arm for the submission - trying to fight Regal off makes the whole thing more realistic.. Punk had enough fight left in him to try and resist - whereas Finlay didn't.. You obviously don't know much about the way Regal works - he stiffs and manhandles people.. that's his thing - he's a bruiser.. What I will say though, is that Punk looked pretty pissed off himself after beating Jericho - and that GTS certainly made contact with Jericho's jaw, alright..
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Post by ztj_wwf on Apr 22, 2008 16:13:57 GMT -5
If Punk had heat he wouldn't have MITB and make it to the finals of the KOTR.
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Post by Gussy on Apr 22, 2008 16:28:02 GMT -5
I actually did thought Regal and Punk were really doing stiff shots at each other with the kicks and such. Especially after Regal one, most of the times, even as heal, Regal would always semi grin and stuff when winning a match, this time he quickly left with a pissed off look.
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Post by Heresy on Apr 22, 2008 16:35:39 GMT -5
I loved the stiffness in Regal/Punk... especially those insane kicks Punk delivered to Regal's head towards the end.
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Post by ericbischoff on Apr 22, 2008 17:10:17 GMT -5
Mistake is Mistake. Mistakes can happen any time. No one wrestle PREFECT, and especially for CM Punk's yesterday botches, which cound caused by tiredness. RAW just doing the show within a day they back to United States from European Tour. That was tough to make all prefect during tired and worn out. (Jeg-leg or so)
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Post by ihavethepower on Apr 22, 2008 17:16:21 GMT -5
Mistake is Mistake. Mistakes can happen any time. No one wrestle PREFECT, and especially for CM Punk's yesterday botches, which cound caused by tiredness. RAW just doing the show within a day they back to United States from European Tour. That was tough to make all prefect during tired and worn out. (Jeg-leg or so) Wow, that was REALLY difficult to understand but I think I got the gist of what you were trying to say. Look, bottom line is that Punk has a well documented history of having heat backstage, Even as recently as WrestleMania when he was fighting with Carlito over the whole Maria situation. It's not unreasonable to think that some workers might've sent him a message. Now granted, Regal can be a sloppy worker. Just look at how he damn near crippled Orton in England with that botched back suplex. However, a botched move is different from refusing to work smoothly with your opponent. It's a fact that Regal cooperated far more with a slouch like Orton than he did with a much better worker in CM Punk.
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Post by Mark on Apr 22, 2008 17:32:03 GMT -5
I did not see Jericho check. He landed on his face and went right into the walls of jericho
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Post by hammertime on Apr 22, 2008 18:02:26 GMT -5
punk is the sloppiest wrestler on the entire roster and damn near botches every ing move he does. he deadweighted jericho on the suplex and botched it and jericho took exception and stiffed him a couple of times. maybe if more wrestlers stiffed punk when he ed up then he would actually turn into a good wrestler instead of a shitty wrestler with absolutely zero charisma who has continually sloppy matches. just the fact that a wrestler like punk is getting a push shows how big of a joke the wwe is right now.
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Post by Iron Man on Apr 22, 2008 18:13:27 GMT -5
punk is the sloppiest wrestler on the entire roster and damn near botches every ing move he does. he deadweighted jericho on the suplex and botched it and jericho took exception and stiffed him a couple of times. maybe if more wrestlers stiffed punk when he ed up then he would actually turn into a good wrestler instead of a ****ty wrestler with absolutely zero charisma who has continually sloppy matches. just the fact that a wrestler like punk is getting a push shows how big of a joke the wwe is right now. You just lost the little crediblity you had.
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Post by Slay on Apr 22, 2008 18:20:30 GMT -5
During Jericho's lionsault, he landed and STEPPED on punk's face. That is all I oticed
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Post by Stinger TNA on Apr 22, 2008 18:28:27 GMT -5
I doubt a man like Jericho would take liberties on another wrestler. Read his book. Granted when he was in Mexico or Japan, if an elder tried to man handle him, he'd stiff punch or kick them. I doubt he'd drop them like he did Punk. It was an accident. Mil Mascaras wouldn't do crapthough
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