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Post by ultimateking on Apr 28, 2008 22:41:22 GMT -5
Hogan and Flair are my 2 top favorites. I love each one for completely different reasons, as they were completely different types of wrestlers.
That being said, I have to go with what HHH said at the HOF . . . I'm still waiting to hear the argument against Flair being the best of all time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2008 22:44:48 GMT -5
Hogan is a better worker than Flair
Flair is a better wrestler than Hogan
Pure and simple
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Post by madness1 on Apr 28, 2008 22:52:02 GMT -5
very few wrestlers in the WWE in the 80's that were TOP DRAWS showcased great wretling ability because thats not what Vince wanted HTM was the IC champ and headlinded he isn't a pure wrestler, He sold out MSG (Bret or HBK as IC didn't headline) Fact is the majority of fans in the 80's wanted entertainment. Most on here arguing with me are the minority well, why are you bothering to argue with that minority? and personally, i find matured wrestling fans to be both more knowleadgable and logical in their perspectives...so i don't really care what the mass media buys, that doesn't prove who was 'better', true on a business perspective hogan made lotsa coin but nevertheless, he ing sucks because he's hulk douchebag hogan, and ric flair represents the true wrestling business, and the psychology of it. hogan is a better entertainer, but flair is the better wrestler, and thats the argument at hand. no the greatest when you say better wrestler. Yes Flair was better when it came to pure abilty but when I say greatest it emcompasses all aspects. And these so called wrestling purists do not make up the majority of fans. The pursits here kill me cause one week they hate Orton as champ but when he losses the belt they bitch. If wwe listend to most of these guys they wouldn't make a dime. For instance the majority of fans wern't saying OMG 22 near pin falls! they were saying OMG Hogan slammed Andre!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2008 22:55:39 GMT -5
For instance the majority of fans wern't saying OMG 22 near pin falls! Someone didn't watch Savage and Steamboat.....
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Post by redypiper on Apr 28, 2008 22:58:35 GMT -5
man you're 0 for 2 now.
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Post by madness1 on Apr 28, 2008 23:02:40 GMT -5
Hogan and Flair are my 2 top favorites. I love each one for completely different reasons, as they were completely different types of wrestlers. That being said, I have to go with what HHH said at the HOF . . . I'm still waiting to hear the argument against Flair being the best of all time. I'll give you an agruement. wrestling ability HBK > Flair Flair and Horsemen ? DX you could make an argument for either being better mic skills HBK < Flair better baby face HBK > Flair better heel HBK < Flair charisma HBK ? Flair too close to call innovative (could change up their style, changed with the times) HBK > Flair Long and short of it. HBK imo is the most popluar guy right now at Raw. People are talking about his Flair, Batista and now Jericho match more than the title matches for awhile now. HBK doens't need a belt to be known as the greatest. Shawn has surpassed Flair.
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Post by madness1 on Apr 28, 2008 23:04:30 GMT -5
For instance the majority of fans wern't saying OMG 22 near pin falls! Someone didn't watch Savage and Steamboat..... so youre saying that got a bigger pop then Hogan slamming andre? no stop lying to yourselves
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Post by madness1 on Apr 28, 2008 23:06:29 GMT -5
Someone didn't watch Savage and Steamboat..... so youre saying that got a bigger pop then Hogan slamming andre? no stop lying to yourselves and besides I said the majority. The majority of fans rember the Hogan vs Andre not Steamboat vs Macho fact.
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Post by hulkhogancollector on Apr 29, 2008 0:12:20 GMT -5
The Internet loves to cheer the underdog
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Post by carly1988 on Apr 29, 2008 0:12:53 GMT -5
Who is the greatest wrestler of all time, almost everyone says Flair. What? Based on what? His love for the business? His wrestling abilty? Don't get me wrong, he is one of the top 5 but so is Hogan. Flair is not a pure wrestler, he was never a great baby face. He is mostly known as a heel with charisma. Flair sold great but not even close to Hogan. Fact: Hogan brought WCW out of debt. As a heel he sold more merchindise and sold out more areanas than Flair ever could dream about. Fact as a Baby Face Hogan is the most popular wrestler hands down. And lets face it how many of you have watched Flair's hour long matches that are supposidly soooo awesome. Be honest. Hogan should be in everyones list of the greatest at least the top 5 Well under those assumptions, Steve Austin is the greatest wrestler in the world, but in fact he barely (if at all) cracks the top 5...Flair is 1, Hogan 2 and Muta 3....The only reason Muta falls at 3 is most of his career was unseen by many cause he was in Japan
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Post by spawnsyxx9 on Apr 29, 2008 1:57:42 GMT -5
Hogan might have gotten more money, which I still also doubt, but Flair def had more impact on the sport than Hogan.
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Post by madness1 on Apr 29, 2008 10:56:41 GMT -5
Hogan might have gotten more money, which I still also doubt, but Flair def had more impact on the sport than Hogan. just that money statement proves you know nothing. Hogan made more in a year than 5. of Flairs. Flairs still paying off debts he incured by the irs. Hogan was payed more on one night of Nitro than most make in a year
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Post by man on Apr 29, 2008 14:28:18 GMT -5
You know what, it's stilly to debate something that is so opinion-oriented. There is not "best wrestler" in prowrestling. Why? Because that's not what the business is all about. It's about entertainment and giving the people a show that will remember.
RIC FLAIR
Ric Flair is listed a great wrestler... why? This is pro-wrestling. It's fake. So you can't really tell me that Flair is a great "wrestler" because it's all scripted. HBK and other fast-movers are very entertaining due to the fancy moves they pull off. But Flair was not a high-flyer. Heck, neither was Bret Hart. I've yet to watch one of these "great technical" matches and not be tempted to turn it off 2 minutes into it. What made Flair fun to watch were his dirty tactics. I could care less how well he executes a headlock or a figure four. All of that is fake and non of it is interesting. But he cheats, and that is fun to watch. He sells very well to his opponents and that makes the match interesting. Nothing to do with actual wrestling abilities.
HULK HOGAN
Hogan was interesting because he stood out. You got a guy that, at the time, looked in far better shape than vast majority of the roster. He was bright, colorful, and energetic. Hogan basically personified what you saw in kids media at the time. He-man, Thundercats, as well as other shows focused on super-human muscle men. What made him interesting to watch was wondering if he could slam someone so big and "scary". Could the super-hero beat this monster? Nobody came to see Hogan doing headlocks and takedowns. They wanted to see a fun show of a super-hero fighting monsters and villains wile overcoming all obsticles. That's what made Hogan popular in the 80's.
HOGAN VS FLAIR
Prowrestling has nothing to do with wrestling abilities, NOTHING! It's all about puting on a show. Both Hogan and Flair were able to put on a great show. It was fun to watch Hogan overcome the impossible to win. It was fun to watch Flair cheat his way to victory. They gave the fans what the fans came to see. As for who was better? Such a debate is pointless. Everyone prefers different things. I've always like Hogan, but that doesn't cement it in fact that he is the best.
What would give Hogan the edge in this type of an argument would be the high-profile bouts he has had in his career that withstand the test of time. Flair vs Rhodes? Flair vs Von Erichs? Flair vs Steamboat? 20 years later, nobody but the hardcore older fans care. However, Hogan/Andre, Hogan/Warrior, Hogan/Flair, Hogan/Sting, Hogan/Goldberg, Hogan/Rock... those withstand the test of time. It doesn't matter if you didn't like the match or thought it wasn't technical enough. That isn't really the goal of prowrestling. The idea is to creat a show that people will remember. In the end, Hogan did a better job of it than Flair. He did it on a much bigger scale. If Flair was in the WWF in 1986, would Hogan still be the lead? Hell yeah! Hogan was exactly what the fans wanted in the 80's. No different than what the NWO, Stone Cold, and the Rock where what was interesting to the masses in the late 90's.
It's entertainment, not a sport. It's about putting on a show, not scoring technial points. Flair is a great worker and never needed to change his gimmich. That's great, but it is also the reason why he will not be remebered as THE man later down the road. He doesn't have any MASSIVE matches, besides his final one with HBK, that people will remember and hold on to. Hogan, he was a trend. As Hulk and as Hollywood. He answered to what the times were asking for. In the 80's he was the ultimate good guy. In the 90's he was the ultimate rule-breaker. And his comeback to the WWE was a great nostalgia ride. He had matches that he will be remembered for because they defined various corner stones of the business. Flair did not.
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Apr 29, 2008 14:37:35 GMT -5
I knew you'd drag One Man Gang into this sooner or later...
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Post by ZMaster on Apr 29, 2008 14:48:05 GMT -5
The one thing about this thing is that it is going to turn out to be that Hogan is apparently the devil no matter what.
Both have their place in history and deserve to be considered among the greatest of all-time.
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Post by mrchase on Apr 30, 2008 10:01:18 GMT -5
Are we talking about actual wrestling ability? If so, then Flair is better, hands down. Hulk Hogan is no professional wrestler, he was the first professional sports entertainer. There's a huge difference between the two. Hulk Hogan was the HHH of his day. Hulk Hogan was not the HHH of his day .Hulk Hogan was the john cena of his day .Ric flair was the HHH of his day.
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Post by Adam3s - V1 on Apr 30, 2008 12:19:42 GMT -5
Okay to finish this off: Flair was a better wrestler than Hogan. Hogan sold more than Flair. Oh and Horsemen > DX and Austin > Hogan and Flair As Austin outsold both put on amazing matches had amazing charisma and knew when to quit (although he kinda didn't have a choice.)
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Post by moogie101 on Apr 30, 2008 14:26:48 GMT -5
Hogan was an incredible face, had awesome charisma, as better in the ring than given credit for especially at selling & during tours of Japan. However Ric was the best heel, incredible charisma, awesome on the mic & could wrestle & brawl with the best. The fact that all their peers say the same thing as well says it all
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2008 17:12:27 GMT -5
Flair is a way better wrestler than Hogan imo. Hogan can draw alot of money but he was never as good as Flair in terms of wrestling.
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Post by The Boglin on May 1, 2008 11:11:37 GMT -5
how many arenas has Flair sold out? Who's had better ratings? Whos sold more merchindise? HOGAN. Don't get me wrong I love Flair but most of you just buy into Flair cause he's been around so long and it's cool to say Flair is the greatest. And as far as Hogan being an ass trust me just as many former wrestlers hate Flair. Its becuse WWE controls what you hear and see. Just like all of you who say Moolah is the greatest woman's champion because she held the title so long. She is trumped up by the wwe. Wendy Richtor was much better. Watch the Wendy Rictor shoot on wwe, Moolah was an bitch You're clearly quoting a shoot interview someone said about Hogan, but you should stop because you're point is horrid. Who cares who mad more money? Flair is better, hands down.
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