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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on May 7, 2008 1:57:16 GMT -5
I see a lot of people come on the message boards and say that certain people "deserve" the title. What do you guys believe is grounds for somebody "deserving the title"? In a "sport" that is really just like any other TV show, with actors playing out scripts, I mean, who really deserves anything?
Does an actor "deserve" to play a certain role in a movie? Or is it simply up to the people in charge to cast who THEY THINK will play the part best?
This question has just really been bugging me because I see so many people claiming that certain wrestlers "deserve the title" and it really seems like they have no basis for their arguments other than the fact that that person happens to be their favorite wrestler and everybody wants their favorite to be champion, but that doesn't mean he "deserves it".
We have a lot of Mr. Kennedy supporters. People who want the title on him. He's really accomplished nothing in the WWE except one lame US title reign and a very public steroid bust. Turning him into a face and having him team with Triple H is obviously a push compared to what he usually does, but to the "Kennedy marks" out there....what have you specifically seen from him in his brief WWE career that makes YOU think he deserves the WWE or World Heavyweight Title other than he's your favorite wrestler?
Then there are the people who wanted the WWE title on CM Punk before he even made his debut. I mean, ok he's go the Money in the Bank right now, but he's been getting jobbed out HARDCORE lately. He was losing clean in non-title matches when he was ECW champion, and then he lost to Chavo Guerrero like 6 times on TV. Currently he's getting his ASS BEAT by Chuck Pulumbo at HOUSE SHOWS, kid can't even get a win at house shows. Unbelievable. I know he's got a huge Indy following, but 80% of WWE fans have no idea who this guy is before 2006. What you've done before you got to WWE doesn't count unless you are a HUGE star like if Sting came I doubt he would be jobbing to Pulumbo. So to the CM Punk marks...same question. Since the Summer of 2006, what has CM Punk accomplished that makes you believe HE should be WWE or World Heavyweight Champion other than he's your favorite wrestler?
So in closing, let my just pose my question again in more direct terms. When something is FAKE and nobody is really "beating" anybody or accomplishing anything for real...what is grounds to say that somebody "deserves" to be champion? Popularity and seniority are the only things I can think of that realistically make any sense.
Your thoughts?
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Post by spawnsyxx9 on May 7, 2008 2:24:31 GMT -5
Wow. Ok so if you are going to go down the lines and say that wrestling is "fake" then obviously the person who has the most charisma, actually gets heat or babyfaceness from the fans, and who ever puts on the most entertaining matches. That is the person who should have the belt in this form of entertainment.
If it was purely based upon athleticism, it wouldn't be pro wrestling as we now know it. It would be MMA to a degree. At the same time, why would you watch it if it was just fighting with no characters that really stood out? If it was based upon power, well damn mark henry would be champ all across the board. Damn that would be some fun television....
SO anyway those are my thoughts as to who and what grounds a person in this form of entertainment should be given them belt.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on May 7, 2008 3:03:40 GMT -5
The person who should get the belt is the guy who is the most entertaining and the biggest draw and who moves the most merchandise. You want to know why Cena had the title for so long? Because he put asses in seats and moved merch.
There are always Internet smarks who think the belt should go on the guy who is the most athletically gifted regarldess of the fact that they can't entertain anyone.
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Post by LtD73 on May 7, 2008 10:11:53 GMT -5
KENNEDY will be champ or have been champ by the end of 2008
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Post by v/\v on May 7, 2008 10:34:41 GMT -5
It's not necessarily a case of whether somebody deserves because they have worked their asses off for 7 years so they should be given a title run. The way i believe alot of people look at it is wow, someone new who can have good matches i want to see these new guys fight for the title, i.e Kennedy, MVP, Punk, Morrison. I think people just want to see a change, alot of people are fed up of Triple H and The Undertaker altogether, alot of people have seen enough of Cena & Batista, Edge & Orton are "cool" so people don't mind seeing them in the top-spots. People are keen to move forward with the newer guys, especially when they have a good run of matches and seem to be getting to the main-event spots, so in theory the next step would be the World/WWE Title, like what has happened with Kennedy & MVP. Punk is a different subject, he has MITB, he shouldn't have won it, it wasn't his time to win it yet, he has only had 1, ONE notable lengthy feud and that was with Morrison last year, he still has a slew of guys to face(lighting permitting  ) before stepping up to the big boys. Kennedy should have won MITB for a second time or MVP both are near to ready for the main-event scene and would be able to work great and realistic feuds with Taker or Tripper or Orton and Edge if it called for it. People want to see new World Champions. |
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Post by Iron Man on May 7, 2008 10:45:47 GMT -5
Wrestling is pre-determined, sure but whoever is the Champion is usually the guy who the people want to go see, or see get his ass kicked. The Champion is usually main eventing TV SHows and PPV's, so you can't just throw the belt on Funaki. It has to be someone who is over, someone who sells tickets and can put on decent matches.
And yes, Kennedy deserves it. Is it his fault his US title reign was only a month? He had great feuds with Batista, Undertaker, & Shawn Michaels. He also put on great matches with Mysterio, Benoit, & Matt Hardy. Kennedy is good on the mic, decent in the ring. He is OVER and I can see him in a few years being a bigger draw then John Cena as a face. He reminds me alot of a mix between Rock and Austin, probably the closest thing to them then anyone on the roster.
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Post by Wago on May 7, 2008 11:58:09 GMT -5
The person who should get the belt is the guy who is the most entertaining and the biggest draw and who moves the most merchandise. You want to know why Cena had the title for so long? Because he put asses in seats and moved merch. There are always Internet smarks who think the belt should go on the guy who is the most athletically gifted regarldess of the fact that they can't entertain anyone. I would say John Cena deserves it, but not for the reasons you say. John Cena has worked hard to get to the spot he is in, he has climbed the ladder, and followed the rules of the WWE and it has worked, now along side his popularity he got him further up the ladder. But in my eyes, to deserve your spot at the main title you need to be. Someone who is a hard worker. Someone who respects the rules of the company. Someone who still tries to improve himself in the business. Someone who has been in the business for a decent amount of time. Thats my views on the whole thing, and thats why I didn't like Orton being champion. So when a lot of use talk about 'deserving the title' it means for other reasons outside of story lines and who there on the card with, so its nothing to do with us believing in the story lines. |
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Post by addam on May 7, 2008 12:12:52 GMT -5
i agree whole-heartedly lorenzo, no one "deserves" any title in pro wrestling. it's just a prop and whoever "deserves" it is whoever the wwe puts it on. i may not always like the person they put it on & may want someone else i like more to have it, but too many people on here replace their 'personal preference' with "deserve" and make it seem like it's their god-given right & destiny to be wwe champion. it all goes by script, who gives a  , it means nothing unless you buy THAT much into it & then i just feel sorry for you. |
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Post by newfrigginshow on May 7, 2008 12:17:41 GMT -5
In my eyes "deserve" is guys who can actually work a good match and cut a decent promo. Guys that have consistently improved and that respect the business. It's quite different for the company though, they want the guy who sells tickets and t-shirts, but there's some of that respect and workrate that goes into that as well. Tough question really. You're making my head hurt.
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Post by jomoishollywood on May 7, 2008 12:54:43 GMT -5
Bingo.
He is the future, thats why people like him.
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Post by Iron Man on May 7, 2008 13:00:39 GMT -5
^no, I truly believe he is going to be one of the bigger names in WWE. Has nothing to do with me liking him or you disliking him. Just because you "hate" him doesn't mean he isn't going to be a big name in a few years. CM Punk is my all time favorite wrestler but you don't read my writing that he will be a big name like Cena.
All Kennedy needs is a push because he has everything else to be a huge star weather you like him or not.
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Post by chumped on May 7, 2008 13:02:25 GMT -5
^no, I truly believe he is going to be one of the bigger names in WWE. Has nothing to do with me liking him or you disliking him. Just because you "hate" him doesn't mean he isn't going to be a big name in a few years. CM Punk is my all time favorite wrestler but you don't read my writing that he will be a big name like Cena. All Kennedy needs is a push because he has everything else to be a huge star weather you like him or not. It has nothing to do with me disliking him. I just can't see how anyone in their right mind can think he will be as over as Cena, ever. |
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Post by Iron Man on May 7, 2008 13:05:38 GMT -5
^no, I truly believe he is going to be one of the bigger names in WWE. Has nothing to do with me liking him or you disliking him. Just because you "hate" him doesn't mean he isn't going to be a big name in a few years. CM Punk is my all time favorite wrestler but you don't read my writing that he will be a big name like Cena. All Kennedy needs is a push because he has everything else to be a huge star weather you like him or not. It has nothing to do with me disliking him. I just can't see how anyone in their right mind can think he will be as over as Cena, ever. Cena is not that Over. Sure he always gets a reaction but nowadays they are just booing him because they are sick of him, not because it's cool to hate him. Kennedy just turned face a week ago and got a huge pop both times he came out. |
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Post by chumped on May 7, 2008 13:08:36 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with me disliking him. I just can't see how anyone in their right mind can think he will be as over as Cena, ever. Cena is not that Over. Sure he always gets a reaction but nowadays they are just booing him because they are sick of him, not because it's cool to hate him. Kennedy just turned face a week ago and got a huge pop both times he came out. I agree Cena isn't as over now, but about a year and a half ago-two years ago it was ridiculous how over he was. And for Kennedy's face turn, this will sound like I'm bashing him, but really, if you put anyone against Regal in the position he is now with the things he has been doing since being king, they are gonna get a pop. |
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Post by spawnsyxx9 on May 7, 2008 13:10:55 GMT -5
It's not necessarily a case of whether somebody deserves because they have worked their asses off for 7 years so they should be given a title run. The way i believe alot of people look at it is wow, someone new who can have good matches i want to see these new guys fight for the title, i.e Kennedy, MVP, Punk, Morrison. I think people just want to see a change, alot of people are fed up of Triple H and The Undertaker altogether, alot of people have seen enough of Cena & Batista, Edge & Orton are "cool" so people don't mind seeing them in the top-spots. People are keen to move forward with the newer guys, especially when they have a good run of matches and seem to be getting to the main-event spots, so in theory the next step would be the World/WWE Title, like what has happened with Kennedy & MVP. Punk is a different subject, he has MITB, he shouldn't have won it, it wasn't his time to win it yet, he has only had 1, ONE notable lengthy feud and that was with Morrison last year, he still has a slew of guys to face(lighting permitting ) before stepping up to the big boys. Kennedy should have won MITB for a second time or MVP both are near to ready for the main-event scene and would be able to work great and realistic feuds with Taker or Tripper or Orton and Edge if it called for it. People want to see new World Champions. Totally agree with you on several of your points, including the CM Punk one. |
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Post by hurricane on May 7, 2008 13:42:59 GMT -5
Punk and Kennedy deserve nothing in all honesty. Mainly because I don't like them. So I'm slightly biased. But really, give it to someone with talent. Morrison, MVP...
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Post by Quanthor on May 7, 2008 13:46:29 GMT -5
I agree, nobody deserves shit, I have been saying this for a long time on this board every time I read "BUT HE DESERVES IT".
You either have what it takes to be a top performer, or you don't, it's as simple as that, but there are a few rare cases where they do drop the ball on a talent.... Take WCW for instance, Mick Foley, Steve Austin, The Undertaker, Triple H and Kevin Nash all became legends because WWE saw talent there that WCW missed.
Like the Hardyz, everyone thinks they should both be world champions, NO, it's just not my opinion, it's the opinion of the WWE. Nobody stays with a company for as long as these two have and not reach the top of the industry, the fact is, they just don't have championship qualities.
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Post by spawnsyxx9 on May 7, 2008 14:25:00 GMT -5
At the monent, I really can't say that any of the new talent are making any strides in making themselves the future of the company. I believe that Morrison probably is in line to get his triggered pulled but man. It isn't looking good. At least TNA, while it's silliness is hard to get around, is building its younger talent.
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